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Sun Nov-20-05 08:34 PM
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| 71. Do you really want to know? |
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Sometimes people ask about Kerry's IWR vote just as a rhetorical point. But if you really want the answer, it's that he believed -- and said very clearly at the time -- that the IWR vote was to give Bush authority so he could pressure Saddam to let the weapons inspectors back in. And it worked -- the inspectors went back in, for the first time since 1998. Then Bush launched an unnecessary war anyway.
Last year, Kerry said explicitly that he *would not have invaded Iraq*. He also said that he didn't regret his IWR vote because he thought that giving Bush the authority *to get the weapons inspectors back in* was appropriate. But he strongly criticized Bush for misusing the authority.
Now, with the DSM revelations and other evidence that Bush was lying that's come out in the last several months, he says he would not have voted the same way on the IWR if he had known everything we know now.
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| -I'm Not Supporting Kerry Again in the Primaries - a few reasons... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 02:24 PM |
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honestly, I think Kerry underestimated the stupidity of too many voters |
Skittles |
Nov-20-05 02:27 PM |
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Kerry made calls, they might have worked |
Skip Intro |
Nov-20-05 02:38 PM |
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What if Hillary runs? nt |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 02:47 PM |
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Please NOT Hillary. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 02:48 PM |
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Hillary may run if she wishes. I'd support Kerry over Hillary. |
Skip Intro |
Nov-20-05 02:56 PM |
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Me too. |
_dynamicdems |
Nov-21-05 02:44 AM |
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Me, too, Skip. My brother's a cop and |
babylonsister |
Nov-20-05 09:19 PM |
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That's no excuse - that's one of the very reasons for my decision... nt |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 02:44 PM |
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If there is voter fraud you could run the Almighty and it wouldn't matter |
Snotcicles |
Nov-20-05 07:19 PM |
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Sorry, my friend |
Presstitutes |
Nov-20-05 02:28 PM |
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Clinton had no problem handling the press... nt |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 02:45 PM |
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Clinton was nearly impeached |
Presstitutes |
Nov-20-05 02:56 PM |
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Clinton was impeached... nt |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 03:00 PM |
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Yes it is. The 1998 media was nowhere near the same as 1992. By mid90s |
blm |
Nov-20-05 03:13 PM |
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Exactly. Kerry was not "proactive" |
ovidsen |
Nov-20-05 02:59 PM |
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Clinton was impeached for BULLSHIT because the GOP gained near total |
blm |
Nov-21-05 08:17 AM |
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Clinton was a GOP target |
ovidsen |
Nov-21-05 10:09 AM |
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Didn't matter what polls showed at the time, media allowed GOP to define |
blm |
Nov-21-05 10:22 AM |
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Public perception |
ProSense |
Nov-20-05 03:00 PM |
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That's why Kerry might be our best candidate in '08 |
bananas |
Nov-20-05 03:42 PM |
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Either him or Gore, since everything Gore said has been proven true also. |
Blue State Native |
Nov-20-05 07:23 PM |
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Same here. I wanted a Gore-Kerry ticket in 2000. |
blm |
Nov-21-05 10:23 AM |
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How long do we keep using that excuse? |
OzarkDem |
Nov-20-05 10:56 PM |
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I completely agree. n/t |
DesertRat |
Nov-20-05 02:28 PM |
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i will support kerry |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 02:29 PM |
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Hallelujah!!!!! preach on my brother!!!!! |
silverstateD |
Nov-20-05 02:29 PM |
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Swift boaters |
Mizmoon |
Nov-20-05 02:34 PM |
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I said (and still say) that about Kerry, and got ripped on this board |
Lastlaughin08 |
Nov-20-05 03:22 PM |
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1. kerry responded, media buried it. 2. top dems sat idly by |
emulatorloo |
Nov-20-05 04:57 PM |
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That's exactly right |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 08:36 PM |
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Hmmmm....I was watching...and walking for Kerry. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:38 PM |
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Kerry's was out in front |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 10:49 PM |
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Too little...too late. Too little, too late. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:59 PM |
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I agree |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 11:14 PM |
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No DLC candidates for me. I agree on Kerry. He should have fought them. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:26 PM |
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kerry will not be the candidate of the DLC if he runs. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 10:29 PM |
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I wasn't talking about Kerry when I said DLC...I was talking about |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:31 PM |
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What was worse, IMHO |
depakid |
Nov-20-05 02:37 PM |
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My main problem with him is that he's not telling the truth about the war. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-20-05 02:38 PM |
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He said it : WRONG WAR, WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 02:43 PM |
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But then why did he say he did not regret is IWR vote until now? |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-20-05 03:47 PM |
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Do you really want to know? |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 08:34 PM |
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too bad that isn't the real reason...If he was gullible enough to believe |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:45 PM |
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I believed it |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 10:47 PM |
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A bunch of us sat on the side of the road and cried as we saw senators |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:52 PM |
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And a lof of us did the same thing when your senators voted for |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 10:54 PM |
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Too bad when "imperfection" allows for the recordable deaths of |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:56 PM |
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Not me, sorry. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 11:00 PM |
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For the record.... |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 11:03 PM |
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For the record, I was speaking about the conference report 2005 |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 11:10 PM |
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It would have been nice if you had clarified. Sorry, no dice. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-21-05 02:28 PM |
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He is my senator and I am happy. Thanks. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 10:51 PM |
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My senators are Levin and Stabenow...who both voted against it |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:54 PM |
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Kerry had his chance |
raysr |
Nov-21-05 01:30 PM |
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Obviously there are some here who think we should be buying |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-21-05 02:30 PM |
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It's called losing |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-21-05 04:37 PM |
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Kerry came out against the war BEFORE Bush invaded |
karynnj |
Nov-20-05 09:23 PM |
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too bad he took the action it allowed it. Too little too late. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 10:54 PM |
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06 is far and we have a war to stop - So thanks for your insight. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 02:44 PM |
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Kerry had his day in the sun, he is doing more these days and I for |
AuntPatsy |
Nov-20-05 02:45 PM |
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I never trust anybody fully - That is a basic rule for me. |
Mass |
Nov-20-05 02:47 PM |
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I don't trust either and I'm not about to take these people here at |
_dynamicdems |
Nov-21-05 02:56 AM |
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Heaven forbid anyone question St. Kerry |
yankeedem |
Nov-21-05 03:44 PM |
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Very well said... nt |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 03:03 PM |
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Clinton got defined by the media after he left office and even after |
blm |
Nov-20-05 02:48 PM |
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&Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act that allowed consolidation |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-21-05 05:22 AM |
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I'm not sure you have to worry about the possibility. |
NightOwwl |
Nov-20-05 02:59 PM |
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Just as long as we all vote Democratic in '06 and '08. |
onehandle |
Nov-20-05 03:01 PM |
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Hear hear! |
peace frog |
Nov-20-05 03:04 PM |
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Kerry proves you can be a wonderful person, articulate and |
Mend |
Nov-20-05 03:01 PM |
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The campaign did make some mistakes |
ginnyinWI |
Nov-21-05 12:39 PM |
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Well, I disagree with you and I will support Kerry again. |
wisteria |
Nov-20-05 03:02 PM |
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You are word for word repeating Republican talking points |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-20-05 03:09 PM |
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Clinton currently outpolls bush in a theoretical race 67% to 33% |
Mend |
Nov-20-05 03:14 PM |
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Now. But not in 2003 and 2004 when media was in full protectBushboy mode. |
blm |
Nov-20-05 03:15 PM |
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Clinton may have polled at 51%,but that wasn't the vote total. |
wisteria |
Nov-20-05 07:52 PM |
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Oh there is no question that Kerry had harder circumstances |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-20-05 10:53 PM |
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The exit polls don't tell the whole story |
karynnj |
Nov-20-05 09:34 PM |
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Your arguments about the differences are fair... |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-20-05 10:56 PM |
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Thank you!! Perot did not throw the election to Clinton! They were |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Nov-20-05 11:05 PM |
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What about people who didn't vote for Perot because he was |
karynnj |
Nov-21-05 02:24 PM |
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I really don't have anything nice to say... |
stillcool47 |
Nov-20-05 03:12 PM |
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Kerry was that guy in '04... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 03:39 PM |
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Kerry must be getting under people's skins |
frogmarch |
Nov-20-05 03:26 PM |
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Yes...for sure. People are acting like the rightwinged fundies |
ray of light |
Nov-20-05 03:39 PM |
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I suggest you re-read my original message (scroll all the way down)... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 03:44 PM |
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He's lies to us all!!!....Skull and Bone through and through!!! |
goforit |
Nov-20-05 03:41 PM |
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huh huh hun -- you said BONER! |
emulatorloo |
Nov-20-05 05:02 PM |
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It's not the Nineties anymore |
Lexingtonian |
Nov-20-05 04:04 PM |
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thnx for this post and analysis - n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-20-05 05:05 PM |
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Really excellent post. |
whometense |
Nov-20-05 09:14 PM |
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you are so right about this--thanks for posting...... n/t |
ginnyinWI |
Nov-21-05 12:51 PM |
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I'm a Green, and I will support the first Dem Candidate who |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-20-05 04:10 PM |
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I'm a Democrat and feel the same way - If Kerry isn't working to expose |
blm |
Nov-21-05 07:47 AM |
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Yes. I had that thought, too. The Thuggery doesn't care much |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-21-05 04:36 PM |
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Got any evidence that isn't a year old? |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 04:41 PM |
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I get his e-mail... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 05:45 PM |
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Yes, Kerry's fighting for Murtha |
Noisy Democrat |
Nov-20-05 08:31 PM |
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Shouldn't we focus on far more serious issues than a presidential primary? |
politicasista |
Nov-20-05 05:38 PM |
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I was for Dean 1st...Kucinich 2nd. |
sellitman |
Nov-20-05 06:13 PM |
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He was suppose to lose - I think that was his assignment - |
BamaBecky |
Nov-20-05 06:16 PM |
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I miss the America.. |
ananda |
Nov-20-05 06:23 PM |
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I miss that America as well... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 06:40 PM |
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When was Kerry for the elite? He never even took corporate pac money his |
blm |
Nov-21-05 07:53 AM |
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Great questions... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 11:15 AM |
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Only Barbara Boxer has a clear claim to leadership... |
Senator |
Nov-20-05 06:35 PM |
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I think either her or Feingold... |
calipendence |
Nov-20-05 09:28 PM |
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Feingold failed to stand up... |
Senator |
Nov-21-05 01:50 AM |
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Boxer also failed to stand up against the Patriot Act too... |
calipendence |
Nov-21-05 01:34 PM |
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Agreed... it was so bad that even many Dems use the same attacks on him |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-20-05 06:37 PM |
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Are you scurred of him or something? |
politicasista |
Nov-21-05 12:57 AM |
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Kerry should be the VP on the 08 ticket |
Justice Is Comin |
Nov-20-05 06:38 PM |
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He may end up on the ticket... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 06:46 PM |
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Help or hurt? |
fedupinBushcountry |
Nov-20-05 08:59 PM |
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My reason not to support Kerry: no more blue state nominees. |
skipos |
Nov-20-05 06:50 PM |
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We have been over run with Red state presidents, I want one that |
wisteria |
Nov-20-05 08:03 PM |
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Not me, I just want a president that is a democrat for a change. |
skipos |
Nov-20-05 08:24 PM |
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What are you trying to say |
fedupinBushcountry |
Nov-21-05 12:09 AM |
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Relax. Remember we are on the same side here. |
skipos |
Nov-21-05 12:49 AM |
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Sorry |
fedupinBushcountry |
Nov-21-05 07:43 AM |
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No, according to me |
skipos |
Nov-21-05 08:09 AM |
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It seems that the Kerry Campaign did not want the Demoratic "attack |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Nov-20-05 07:05 PM |
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That was Clinton and MacAuliffe's DNC plan. Clinton advised DNC that |
blm |
Nov-21-05 08:22 AM |
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I *have* to recommend this thread because it is right on target. |
longship |
Nov-20-05 07:10 PM |
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Sad but true... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-20-05 09:12 PM |
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Thank you longship. |
MrsGrumpy |
Nov-20-05 11:04 PM |
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I think I'll reserve any announcement until I see the lineup. n/t |
Snotcicles |
Nov-20-05 07:14 PM |
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I predict there will be less of a risk in 2008. I'm sticking with Kerry. |
wisteria |
Nov-20-05 08:00 PM |
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Election Fraud |
stepnw1f |
Nov-20-05 08:27 PM |
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I'm not supporting him either!!!! Until he puts out. |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 09:02 PM |
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puts out?..... bah hahahah footlong? teresa may have some issue |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 09:04 PM |
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She may... |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 09:06 PM |
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you are funny |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 09:08 PM |
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It's ok... |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 09:11 PM |
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man i wanted him as president |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 09:13 PM |
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That and a whole lot more. |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 09:21 PM |
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now that you mention it, teresa does seem to be a gracious woman |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 09:29 PM |
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That's what I thought. |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 09:32 PM |
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Oh my, now I have all of these wonderful visions of the "GREAT " |
wisteria |
Nov-20-05 10:21 PM |
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she went and did it to me too. beeetch....... lol lol n/t |
seabeyond |
Nov-20-05 10:22 PM |
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I did you a favor! |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 10:52 PM |
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Revel in it, my friend... |
Vektor |
Nov-20-05 10:51 PM |
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Wow, just take a look at that picture!!! It says it all doesn't it. N/T |
wisteria |
Nov-21-05 12:26 AM |
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No woman is that gracious! : D n/t |
_dynamicdems |
Nov-21-05 02:19 AM |
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Were you even paying attention? |
kerrygoddess |
Nov-20-05 11:21 PM |
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Totally agree!!!!! This should be locked! n/t |
wisteria |
Nov-21-05 12:23 AM |
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Wrong on too many counts... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 12:24 AM |
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It would be nice if you spoke with some credibility. n/t |
wisteria |
Nov-21-05 12:36 AM |
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I see nothing akin to Bush |
kerrygoddess |
Nov-21-05 12:55 AM |
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I see... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 01:50 PM |
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ON FURTHER READING THIS POST IS ACTUALLY-BULLSHIT! |
wisteria |
Nov-21-05 12:35 AM |
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he also leaves out media role in all this which was a HUGH |
seabeyond |
Nov-21-05 12:40 AM |
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Why should I care if you are going to support him or not. |
Mass |
Nov-21-05 12:45 AM |
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You know, your absolutely right! n/t |
wisteria |
Nov-21-05 01:41 AM |
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You are absolutely right. |
_dynamicdems |
Nov-21-05 02:14 AM |
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K&R |
Kurovski |
Nov-21-05 02:21 AM |
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How can you know that - He has never been president. |
Mass |
Nov-21-05 05:09 AM |
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me neither. jk is soooo 2004. |
elehhhhna |
Nov-21-05 09:02 AM |
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Well, I would add 2008 to. Kerry remains at the top of my list. |
second edition |
Nov-21-05 09:57 AM |
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Your rationale makes very little sense and your reasoning is faulty. |
second edition |
Nov-21-05 09:17 AM |
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You've got that backwards... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 01:14 PM |
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Kerry's a great man. I agree with you here. And here: |
ProSense |
Nov-21-05 10:37 AM |
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Please explain... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 11:37 AM |
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Where do I start? |
ProSense |
Nov-21-05 12:00 PM |
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So you're saying that... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 12:49 PM |
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No! |
ProSense |
Nov-21-05 01:07 PM |
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Once again... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 01:17 PM |
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So very true. And so very sad. |
_dynamicdems |
Nov-21-05 01:43 PM |
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You've got us, we're all freepers |
yankeedem |
Nov-21-05 03:52 PM |
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He was 20 years too late to buy broadcast media the way the GOP did. |
blm |
Nov-21-05 01:27 PM |
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I agree that the DNC shares responsibility... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 01:36 PM |
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Kerry did have counter press articles, but after they came out BROADCAST |
blm |
Nov-21-05 01:49 PM |
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Moderator -- Please lock this thread |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 02:19 PM |
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Hey--let's stay focused on congressional elections first!! |
BJW |
Nov-21-05 02:20 PM |
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Yes, allot to be done... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 02:31 PM |
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I obviously disagree, but appreciate the civil manner in which you |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-21-05 02:33 PM |
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Thanks for the props... |
Peter Frank |
Nov-21-05 02:38 PM |
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We can't afford Kerry anymore |
yankeedem |
Nov-21-05 03:42 PM |
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Sorry, but I would rather focus on 2006 than rehash the past |
politicasista |
Nov-21-05 03:45 PM |
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And you would let us lose again |
yankeedem |
Nov-21-05 03:49 PM |
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No, but Melhman would be thrilled by people like you. |
Mass |
Nov-21-05 05:44 PM |
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Kerry unfortunately has no charisma, he has no showbiz pizzazz |
rosebud57 |
Nov-21-05 05:42 PM |
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that is the only thing they thought they got in bush and it failed |
seabeyond |
Nov-21-05 06:12 PM |
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Okay... |
dwahzon |
Nov-21-05 05:52 PM |
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That's nice. nt |
sepia_steel |
Nov-21-05 05:55 PM |
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The OP has asked that this thread be locked three hours ago - |
Mass |
Nov-21-05 05:57 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-21-05 06:03 PM |
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Nice impersonation of a lobotomy voter, lobotomyvoter. |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-21-05 06:11 PM |
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Locking per original poster request |
LeftCoast |
Nov-21-05 06:16 PM |
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