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71. Do you really want to know?
Sometimes people ask about Kerry's IWR vote just as a rhetorical point. But if you really want the answer, it's that he believed -- and said very clearly at the time -- that the IWR vote was to give Bush authority so he could pressure Saddam to let the weapons inspectors back in. And it worked -- the inspectors went back in, for the first time since 1998. Then Bush launched an unnecessary war anyway.

Last year, Kerry said explicitly that he *would not have invaded Iraq*. He also said that he didn't regret his IWR vote because he thought that giving Bush the authority *to get the weapons inspectors back in* was appropriate. But he strongly criticized Bush for misusing the authority.

Now, with the DSM revelations and other evidence that Bush was lying that's come out in the last several months, he says he would not have voted the same way on the IWR if he had known everything we know now.
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  -I'm Not Supporting Kerry Again in the Primaries - a few reasons... Peter Frank  Nov-20-05 02:24 PM   #0 
  - honestly, I think Kerry underestimated the stupidity of too many voters  Skittles   Nov-20-05 02:27 PM   #1 
  - Kerry made calls, they might have worked  Skip Intro   Nov-20-05 02:38 PM   #9 
  - What if Hillary runs? nt  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 02:47 PM   #16 
  - Please NOT Hillary.  Mass   Nov-20-05 02:48 PM   #18 
  - Hillary may run if she wishes. I'd support Kerry over Hillary.  Skip Intro   Nov-20-05 02:56 PM   #19 
     - Me too.  _dynamicdems   Nov-21-05 02:44 AM   #133 
  - Me, too, Skip. My brother's a cop and  babylonsister   Nov-20-05 09:19 PM   #82 
  - That's no excuse - that's one of the very reasons for my decision... nt  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 02:44 PM   #11 
  - If there is voter fraud you could run the Almighty and it wouldn't matter  Snotcicles   Nov-20-05 07:19 PM   #63 
  - Sorry, my friend  Presstitutes   Nov-20-05 02:28 PM   #2 
  - Clinton had no problem handling the press... nt  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 02:45 PM   #14 
  - Clinton was nearly impeached  Presstitutes   Nov-20-05 02:56 PM   #20 
  - Clinton was impeached... nt  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 03:00 PM   #24 
     - Yes it is. The 1998 media was nowhere near the same as 1992. By mid90s  blm   Nov-20-05 03:13 PM   #32 
  - Exactly. Kerry was not "proactive"  ovidsen   Nov-20-05 02:59 PM   #21 
  - Clinton was impeached for BULLSHIT because the GOP gained near total  blm   Nov-21-05 08:17 AM   #141 
     - Clinton was a GOP target  ovidsen   Nov-21-05 10:09 AM   #146 
        - Didn't matter what polls showed at the time, media allowed GOP to define  blm   Nov-21-05 10:22 AM   #147 
  - Public perception  ProSense   Nov-20-05 03:00 PM   #23 
  - That's why Kerry might be our best candidate in '08  bananas   Nov-20-05 03:42 PM   #40 
  - Either him or Gore, since everything Gore said has been proven true also.  Blue State Native   Nov-20-05 07:23 PM   #64 
     - Same here. I wanted a Gore-Kerry ticket in 2000.  blm   Nov-21-05 10:23 AM   #148 
  - How long do we keep using that excuse?  OzarkDem   Nov-20-05 10:56 PM   #107 
  - I completely agree. n/t  DesertRat   Nov-20-05 02:28 PM   #3 
  - i will support kerry  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 02:29 PM   #4 
  - Hallelujah!!!!! preach on my brother!!!!!  silverstateD   Nov-20-05 02:29 PM   #5 
  - Swift boaters  Mizmoon   Nov-20-05 02:34 PM   #6 
  - I said (and still say) that about Kerry, and got ripped on this board  Lastlaughin08   Nov-20-05 03:22 PM   #35 
  - 1. kerry responded, media buried it. 2. top dems sat idly by  emulatorloo   Nov-20-05 04:57 PM   #46 
  - That's exactly right  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 08:36 PM   #72 
     - Hmmmm....I was watching...and walking for Kerry.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:38 PM   #94 
        - Kerry's was out in front  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 10:49 PM   #97 
           - Too little...too late. Too little, too late.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:59 PM   #109 
              - I agree  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 11:14 PM   #115 
  - No DLC candidates for me. I agree on Kerry. He should have fought them.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:26 PM   #91 
     - kerry will not be the candidate of the DLC if he runs.  Mass   Nov-20-05 10:29 PM   #92 
        - I wasn't talking about Kerry when I said DLC...I was talking about  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:31 PM   #93 
  - What was worse, IMHO  depakid   Nov-20-05 02:37 PM   #7 
  - My main problem with him is that he's not telling the truth about the war.  JohnnyCougar   Nov-20-05 02:38 PM   #8 
  - He said it : WRONG WAR, WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME  Mass   Nov-20-05 02:43 PM   #10 
  - But then why did he say he did not regret is IWR vote until now?  JohnnyCougar   Nov-20-05 03:47 PM   #42 
     - Do you really want to know?  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 08:34 PM   #71 
        - too bad that isn't the real reason...If he was gullible enough to believe  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:45 PM   #95 
        - I believed it  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 10:47 PM   #96 
        - A bunch of us sat on the side of the road and cried as we saw senators  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:52 PM   #101 
           - And a lof of us did the same thing when your senators voted for  Mass   Nov-20-05 10:54 PM   #104 
              - Too bad when "imperfection" allows for the recordable deaths of  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:56 PM   #106 
                 - Not me, sorry.  Mass   Nov-20-05 11:00 PM   #110 
                    - For the record....  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 11:03 PM   #111 
                       - For the record, I was speaking about the conference report 2005  Mass   Nov-20-05 11:10 PM   #114 
                          - It would have been nice if you had clarified. Sorry, no dice.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-21-05 02:28 PM   #169 
        - He is my senator and I am happy. Thanks.  Mass   Nov-20-05 10:51 PM   #99 
           - My senators are Levin and Stabenow...who both voted against it  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:54 PM   #103 
        - Kerry had his chance  raysr   Nov-21-05 01:30 PM   #160 
           - Obviously there are some here who think we should be buying  MrsGrumpy   Nov-21-05 02:30 PM   #170 
           - It's called losing  Noisy Democrat   Nov-21-05 04:37 PM   #180 
  - Kerry came out against the war BEFORE Bush invaded  karynnj   Nov-20-05 09:23 PM   #84 
     - too bad he took the action it allowed it. Too little too late.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 10:54 PM   #105 
  - 06 is far and we have a war to stop - So thanks for your insight.  Mass   Nov-20-05 02:44 PM   #12 
  - Kerry had his day in the sun, he is doing more these days and I for  AuntPatsy   Nov-20-05 02:45 PM   #13 
  - I never trust anybody fully - That is a basic rule for me.  Mass   Nov-20-05 02:47 PM   #15 
  - I don't trust either and I'm not about to take these people here at  _dynamicdems   Nov-21-05 02:56 AM   #134 
     - Heaven forbid anyone question St. Kerry  yankeedem   Nov-21-05 03:44 PM   #175 
  - Very well said... nt  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 03:03 PM   #28 
  - Clinton got defined by the media after he left office and even after  blm   Nov-20-05 02:48 PM   #17 
  - &Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act that allowed consolidation  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-21-05 05:22 AM   #136 
  - I'm not sure you have to worry about the possibility.  NightOwwl   Nov-20-05 02:59 PM   #22 
  - Just as long as we all vote Democratic in '06 and '08.  onehandle   Nov-20-05 03:01 PM   #25 
  - Hear hear!  peace frog   Nov-20-05 03:04 PM   #29 
  - Kerry proves you can be a wonderful person, articulate and  Mend   Nov-20-05 03:01 PM   #26 
  - The campaign did make some mistakes  ginnyinWI   Nov-21-05 12:39 PM   #153 
  - Well, I disagree with you and I will support Kerry again.  wisteria   Nov-20-05 03:02 PM   #27 
  - You are word for word repeating Republican talking points  Hippo_Tron   Nov-20-05 03:09 PM   #30 
     - Clinton currently outpolls bush in a theoretical race 67% to 33%  Mend   Nov-20-05 03:14 PM   #33 
     - Now. But not in 2003 and 2004 when media was in full protectBushboy mode.  blm   Nov-20-05 03:15 PM   #34 
     - Clinton may have polled at 51%,but that wasn't the vote total.  wisteria   Nov-20-05 07:52 PM   #65 
     - Oh there is no question that Kerry had harder circumstances  Hippo_Tron   Nov-20-05 10:53 PM   #102 
     - The exit polls don't tell the whole story  karynnj   Nov-20-05 09:34 PM   #88 
        - Your arguments about the differences are fair...  Hippo_Tron   Nov-20-05 10:56 PM   #108 
           - Thank you!! Perot did not throw the election to Clinton! They were  Crazy Guggenheim   Nov-20-05 11:05 PM   #113 
           - What about people who didn't vote for Perot because he was  karynnj   Nov-21-05 02:24 PM   #168 
  - I really don't have anything nice to say...  stillcool47   Nov-20-05 03:12 PM   #31 
  - Kerry was that guy in '04...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 03:39 PM   #38 
  - Kerry must be getting under people's skins  frogmarch   Nov-20-05 03:26 PM   #36 
  - Yes...for sure. People are acting like the rightwinged fundies  ray of light   Nov-20-05 03:39 PM   #37 
  - I suggest you re-read my original message (scroll all the way down)...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 03:44 PM   #41 
  - He's lies to us all!!!....Skull and Bone through and through!!!  goforit   Nov-20-05 03:41 PM   #39 
  - huh huh hun -- you said BONER!  emulatorloo   Nov-20-05 05:02 PM   #47 
  - It's not the Nineties anymore  Lexingtonian   Nov-20-05 04:04 PM   #43 
  - thnx for this post and analysis - n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-20-05 05:05 PM   #48 
  - Really excellent post.  whometense   Nov-20-05 09:14 PM   #81 
  - you are so right about this--thanks for posting...... n/t  ginnyinWI   Nov-21-05 12:51 PM   #155 
  - I'm a Green, and I will support the first Dem Candidate who  sfexpat2000   Nov-20-05 04:10 PM   #44 
  - I'm a Democrat and feel the same way - If Kerry isn't working to expose  blm   Nov-21-05 07:47 AM   #138 
     - Yes. I had that thought, too. The Thuggery doesn't care much  sfexpat2000   Nov-21-05 04:36 PM   #179 
  - Got any evidence that isn't a year old?  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 04:41 PM   #45 
  - I get his e-mail...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 05:45 PM   #50 
     - Yes, Kerry's fighting for Murtha  Noisy Democrat   Nov-20-05 08:31 PM   #70 
  - Shouldn't we focus on far more serious issues than a presidential primary?  politicasista   Nov-20-05 05:38 PM   #49 
  - I was for Dean 1st...Kucinich 2nd.  sellitman   Nov-20-05 06:13 PM   #51 
  - He was suppose to lose - I think that was his assignment -  BamaBecky   Nov-20-05 06:16 PM   #52 
  - I miss the America..  ananda   Nov-20-05 06:23 PM   #53 
  - I miss that America as well...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 06:40 PM   #57 
  - When was Kerry for the elite? He never even took corporate pac money his  blm   Nov-21-05 07:53 AM   #139 
     - Great questions...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 11:15 AM   #150 
  - Only Barbara Boxer has a clear claim to leadership...  Senator   Nov-20-05 06:35 PM   #54 
  - I think either her or Feingold...  calipendence   Nov-20-05 09:28 PM   #85 
     - Feingold failed to stand up...  Senator   Nov-21-05 01:50 AM   #129 
        - Boxer also failed to stand up against the Patriot Act too...  calipendence   Nov-21-05 01:34 PM   #161 
  - Agreed... it was so bad that even many Dems use the same attacks on him  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-20-05 06:37 PM   #55 
  - Are you scurred of him or something?  politicasista   Nov-21-05 12:57 AM   #127 
  - Kerry should be the VP on the 08 ticket  Justice Is Comin   Nov-20-05 06:38 PM   #56 
  - He may end up on the ticket...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 06:46 PM   #58 
     - Help or hurt?  fedupinBushcountry   Nov-20-05 08:59 PM   #73 
  - My reason not to support Kerry: no more blue state nominees.  skipos   Nov-20-05 06:50 PM   #59 
  - We have been over run with Red state presidents, I want one that  wisteria   Nov-20-05 08:03 PM   #67 
     - Not me, I just want a president that is a democrat for a change.  skipos   Nov-20-05 08:24 PM   #68 
        - What are you trying to say  fedupinBushcountry   Nov-21-05 12:09 AM   #117 
           - Relax. Remember we are on the same side here.  skipos   Nov-21-05 12:49 AM   #125 
              - Sorry  fedupinBushcountry   Nov-21-05 07:43 AM   #137 
                 - No, according to me  skipos   Nov-21-05 08:09 AM   #140 
  - It seems that the Kerry Campaign did not want the Demoratic "attack  Crazy Guggenheim   Nov-20-05 07:05 PM   #60 
  - That was Clinton and MacAuliffe's DNC plan. Clinton advised DNC that  blm   Nov-21-05 08:22 AM   #142 
  - I *have* to recommend this thread because it is right on target.  longship   Nov-20-05 07:10 PM   #61 
  - Sad but true...  Peter Frank   Nov-20-05 09:12 PM   #79 
  - Thank you longship.  MrsGrumpy   Nov-20-05 11:04 PM   #112 
  - I think I'll reserve any announcement until I see the lineup. n/t  Snotcicles   Nov-20-05 07:14 PM   #62 
  - I predict there will be less of a risk in 2008. I'm sticking with Kerry.  wisteria   Nov-20-05 08:00 PM   #66 
  - Election Fraud  stepnw1f   Nov-20-05 08:27 PM   #69 
  - I'm not supporting him either!!!! Until he puts out.  Vektor   Nov-20-05 09:02 PM   #74 
  - puts out?..... bah hahahah footlong? teresa may have some issue  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 09:04 PM   #75 
     - She may...  Vektor   Nov-20-05 09:06 PM   #76 
        - you are funny  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 09:08 PM   #77 
           - It's ok...  Vektor   Nov-20-05 09:11 PM   #78 
              - man i wanted him as president  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 09:13 PM   #80 
                 - That and a whole lot more.  Vektor   Nov-20-05 09:21 PM   #83 
                    - now that you mention it, teresa does seem to be a gracious woman  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 09:29 PM   #86 
                       - That's what I thought.  Vektor   Nov-20-05 09:32 PM   #87 
                       - Oh my, now I have all of these wonderful visions of the "GREAT "  wisteria   Nov-20-05 10:21 PM   #89 
                          - she went and did it to me too. beeetch....... lol lol n/t  seabeyond   Nov-20-05 10:22 PM   #90 
                          - I did you a favor!  Vektor   Nov-20-05 10:52 PM   #100 
                          - Revel in it, my friend...  Vektor   Nov-20-05 10:51 PM   #98 
                             - Wow, just take a look at that picture!!! It says it all doesn't it. N/T  wisteria   Nov-21-05 12:26 AM   #120 
                       - No woman is that gracious! : D n/t  _dynamicdems   Nov-21-05 02:19 AM   #131 
  - Were you even paying attention?  kerrygoddess   Nov-20-05 11:21 PM   #116 
  - Totally agree!!!!! This should be locked! n/t  wisteria   Nov-21-05 12:23 AM   #118 
  - Wrong on too many counts...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 12:24 AM   #119 
  - It would be nice if you spoke with some credibility. n/t  wisteria   Nov-21-05 12:36 AM   #122 
  - I see nothing akin to Bush  kerrygoddess   Nov-21-05 12:55 AM   #126 
  - I see...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 01:50 PM   #165 
  - ON FURTHER READING THIS POST IS ACTUALLY-BULLSHIT!  wisteria   Nov-21-05 12:35 AM   #121 
  - he also leaves out media role in all this which was a HUGH  seabeyond   Nov-21-05 12:40 AM   #123 
  - Why should I care if you are going to support him or not.  Mass   Nov-21-05 12:45 AM   #124 
  - You know, your absolutely right! n/t  wisteria   Nov-21-05 01:41 AM   #128 
  - You are absolutely right.  _dynamicdems   Nov-21-05 02:14 AM   #130 
  - K&R  Kurovski   Nov-21-05 02:21 AM   #132 
  - How can you know that - He has never been president.  Mass   Nov-21-05 05:09 AM   #135 
  - me neither. jk is soooo 2004.  elehhhhna   Nov-21-05 09:02 AM   #143 
  - Well, I would add 2008 to. Kerry remains at the top of my list.  second edition   Nov-21-05 09:57 AM   #145 
  - Your rationale makes very little sense and your reasoning is faulty.  second edition   Nov-21-05 09:17 AM   #144 
  - You've got that backwards...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 01:14 PM   #157 
  - Kerry's a great man. I agree with you here. And here:  ProSense   Nov-21-05 10:37 AM   #149 
  - Please explain...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 11:37 AM   #151 
     - Where do I start?  ProSense   Nov-21-05 12:00 PM   #152 
        - So you're saying that...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 12:49 PM   #154 
           - No!  ProSense   Nov-21-05 01:07 PM   #156 
           - Once again...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 01:17 PM   #158 
           - So very true. And so very sad.  _dynamicdems   Nov-21-05 01:43 PM   #163 
              - You've got us, we're all freepers  yankeedem   Nov-21-05 03:52 PM   #178 
           - He was 20 years too late to buy broadcast media the way the GOP did.  blm   Nov-21-05 01:27 PM   #159 
              - I agree that the DNC shares responsibility...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 01:36 PM   #162 
                 - Kerry did have counter press articles, but after they came out BROADCAST  blm   Nov-21-05 01:49 PM   #164 
  - Moderator -- Please lock this thread  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 02:19 PM   #166 
  - Hey--let's stay focused on congressional elections first!!  BJW   Nov-21-05 02:20 PM   #167 
  - Yes, allot to be done...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 02:31 PM   #171 
  - I obviously disagree, but appreciate the civil manner in which you  LittleClarkie   Nov-21-05 02:33 PM   #172 
  - Thanks for the props...  Peter Frank   Nov-21-05 02:38 PM   #173 
  - We can't afford Kerry anymore  yankeedem   Nov-21-05 03:42 PM   #174 
  - Sorry, but I would rather focus on 2006 than rehash the past  politicasista   Nov-21-05 03:45 PM   #176 
     - And you would let us lose again  yankeedem   Nov-21-05 03:49 PM   #177 
        - No, but Melhman would be thrilled by people like you.  Mass   Nov-21-05 05:44 PM   #182 
  - Kerry unfortunately has no charisma, he has no showbiz pizzazz  rosebud57   Nov-21-05 05:42 PM   #181 
  - that is the only thing they thought they got in bush and it failed  seabeyond   Nov-21-05 06:12 PM   #188 
  - Okay...  dwahzon   Nov-21-05 05:52 PM   #183 
  - That's nice. nt  sepia_steel   Nov-21-05 05:55 PM   #184 
  - The OP has asked that this thread be locked three hours ago -  Mass   Nov-21-05 05:57 PM   #185 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-21-05 06:03 PM   #186 
  - Nice impersonation of a lobotomy voter, lobotomyvoter.  LittleClarkie   Nov-21-05 06:11 PM   #187 
  - Locking per original poster request  LeftCoast   Nov-21-05 06:16 PM   #189 
 

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