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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. Let's play 'What if?'
Would it matter if she and her b/f had had ROUGH consensual sex in the previous 12 hours, and she then DID consent with Kobe, but changed her story because her boyfriend found out, for example?

You can'r seriously NOT see how it's an issue, can you? The defense has to prove nothing, and have an absolute right to challenge everything. We must separate the emotional from the legal issues if this is going to go anywhere.
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  -This is a bad day for the rights of women and the disabled in the U.S. DemBones DemBones  Oct-15-03 02:10 PM   #0 
  - Great post  cally   Oct-15-03 02:15 PM   #1 
  - I agree, and the Schiavo case  liberalhistorian   Oct-15-03 02:18 PM   #2 
  - The Schiavo case should make *anyone* ill!  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:54 PM   #37 
     - You can be sure our wonderful Governor Jebbie won't lift a finger to help  janekat   Oct-15-03 05:45 PM   #63 
        - Actually, Jeb filed a friend of the court brief on Terri's behalf a  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 07:45 PM   #110 
  - The defense has pretty much given their case...  realFedUp   Oct-15-03 02:23 PM   #3 
  - Excellent post, DB.  soup   Oct-15-03 02:24 PM   #4 
  - Was the husband ever investigated?  LeighAnn   Oct-15-03 03:01 PM   #17 
     - Interestingly enough, the parents got holf of a bonescan taken soon  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 04:34 PM   #42 
  - This was a really good post  demnan   Oct-15-03 02:25 PM   #5 
  - problem is Kobe has blood on his shirt from her  NewYorkerfromMass   Oct-15-03 02:29 PM   #6 
  - But hey, he's a huge, "important"  liberalhistorian   Oct-15-03 02:33 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-15-03 08:04 PM   #117 
     - Try CNN's site, they've reported on the air many times that her  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 08:32 PM   #130 
  - But much of my sorrow about this  cally   Oct-15-03 02:35 PM   #8 
  - There is a difference between casting doubt on  demnan   Oct-15-03 02:46 PM   #10 
  - coke bottle  drfemoe   Oct-15-03 09:09 PM   #139 
  - I know! Let's give all men a pass on their first rape  Monica_L   Oct-15-03 02:36 PM   #9 
  - You have to weigh these things  gottaB   Oct-15-03 02:48 PM   #12 
  - I don't care if she was a hooker! It shouldn't be okay to rape them either  janekat   Oct-15-03 05:49 PM   #65 
     - That's my feeling as well  gottaB   Oct-15-03 07:20 PM   #105 
        - whoops - didn't read your post very closely - I saw the word "slut"  janekat   Oct-15-03 10:46 PM   #146 
  - Playing devil to your devil  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 02:59 PM   #15 
  - The point that is missed  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:03 PM   #18 
  - How do we know the semen from the second man didn't come from Kobe?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 03:08 PM   #19 
     - We don't  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:11 PM   #20 
     - This Is How.  jayfish   Oct-15-03 03:27 PM   #25 
        - Guess we only read as far as we want, eh?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 04:28 PM   #40 
        - Just Answering Your Question, But Since You Decided To Attack.  jayfish   Oct-15-03 04:36 PM   #43 
        - Not to butt in, but I think the point s/he's trying to make  spooky3   Oct-15-03 04:56 PM   #46 
        - Gotta keep in mind folks that Kobe and his lawyers aren't just  MojoKrunch   Oct-15-03 05:09 PM   #47 
        - I think the defense is bringing the sexual history up to intimidate  LonelyLRLiberal   Oct-15-03 08:05 PM   #118 
           - If she is intimidated  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:11 PM   #121 
           - Let's not forget that this was a preliminary hearing  LonelyLRLiberal   Oct-15-03 08:51 PM   #135 
           - One hundred percent right  cally   Oct-15-03 08:13 PM   #122 
              - Thanks for the welcome, cally, and thanks to all  LonelyLRLiberal   Oct-15-03 09:16 PM   #140 
        - and I wonder how much they paid someone to plant that semen...  janekat   Oct-15-03 05:58 PM   #67 
           - Why?  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:03 PM   #71 
              - Why do you wear your clothes?  cally   Oct-15-03 06:12 PM   #76 
              - *sigh*  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:16 PM   #78 
                 - Dumb..explain the relevance to the case  cally   Oct-15-03 06:26 PM   #82 
                 - I have made my case  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:28 PM   #84 
                    - NO they have NO RELEVANCE because they were NOT the panties AT  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 06:42 PM   #88 
                       - You need a better understanding of *legal* relevance  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:53 PM   #94 
                 - Only if you make it so and suggest that a woman who has consensual sex  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 06:39 PM   #87 
                    - It goes to the *weight* and *credibility* of the evidence.  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:47 PM   #91 
                       - see below...you are assuming it was one pair of panties with two semens  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 06:49 PM   #93 
                          - She brought TWO pairs with her, counselor.  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:55 PM   #95 
                             - I haven't seen the state's evidence  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 07:08 PM   #99 
                                - They opened the door, either way. n/t  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:09 PM   #100 
                                   - They opened to door to what? A pair of panties used during consensual  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 07:12 PM   #102 
                                      - They are *both* 'alleged'  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:18 PM   #104 
                                      - Padraig...please explain your points  cally   Oct-15-03 07:38 PM   #107 
                                         - It means, simply stated  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:43 PM   #109 
                                            - K..Two pair of panties  cally   Oct-15-03 08:18 PM   #124 
                                            - It's not 'fluff'  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:22 PM   #125 
                                            - ???I've been here since the dinasaurs??  cally   Oct-15-03 08:40 PM   #132 
                                            - What semen on her panties?????  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:46 PM   #133 
                                            - Don't be disingenous  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:52 PM   #137 
              - I find it extremely hard to believe.... It defies the boundaries of common  janekat   Oct-15-03 06:56 PM   #96 
                 - It's why they're having a hearing...  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:58 PM   #97 
                    - Few are going on feeling  cally   Oct-15-03 07:42 PM   #108 
                    - She has been allowed to do so  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:46 PM   #111 
                    - Used to be a Psychiatric social worker and do not believe the  janekat   Oct-15-03 11:09 PM   #147 
                       - What about...?  MojoKrunch   Oct-16-03 10:21 AM   #162 
  - If I were on the jury  Nobody   Oct-16-03 06:06 AM   #159 
  - Thank you, and Devil's Advocate is my favorite game -- how did  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 03:24 PM   #23 
  - Why  alarimer   Oct-15-03 08:31 PM   #129 
     - Why ?  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:48 PM   #134 
  - Excellent post.  LibertyChick   Oct-15-03 02:46 PM   #11 
  - I am saddened  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 02:52 PM   #13 
  - We are going backwards, one step at a time. Very disturbing.  catzies   Oct-15-03 02:55 PM   #14 
  - Kick  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:00 PM   #16 
  - The reality is that any woman who reports a rape is taking a chance  DuctapeFatwa   Oct-15-03 03:14 PM   #21 
  - Try it as a man  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:21 PM   #22 
  - I know it's much harder for a man to  cally   Oct-15-03 03:48 PM   #32 
  - That needed to be said  Monica_L   Oct-15-03 03:29 PM   #26 
  - Not only that,  Lindacooks   Oct-15-03 05:20 PM   #50 
  - Very well said. And when I talk about the Bryant case, I'm looking  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 03:31 PM   #27 
  - Comparing the Bryant case to the Taliban is puerile and hyperbolic  Character Assassin   Oct-15-03 03:26 PM   #24 
  - I didn't compare the Bryant case to the Taliban. Read what I  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 05:13 PM   #49 
  - Wow - this is weird  TNOE   Oct-15-03 03:31 PM   #28 
  - Erorr of fact  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:40 PM   #30 
  - To what extent?  TNOE   Oct-15-03 03:47 PM   #31 
     - It is severe  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:50 PM   #34 
  - Quality of life is relative  Nikia   Oct-15-03 03:50 PM   #33 
  - Bravo!  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 03:52 PM   #36 
  - Thank you so much for saying this! People need to become  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 04:51 PM   #45 
  - "Losing my religion"  deek   Oct-15-03 08:10 PM   #119 
  - Re: care of the dying -- Been there, done that, with both my mother  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 04:20 PM   #39 
  - I've got to admit - this is a tough one  TNOE   Oct-15-03 05:21 PM   #51 
  - Ok, others have discussed the disability arguments  cally   Oct-15-03 05:11 PM   #48 
  - Semen  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:22 PM   #53 
  - How is that relevant?  cally   Oct-15-03 05:29 PM   #55 
  - It is relevant because she is claiming RAPE!  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:34 PM   #58 
     - Why does it matter  cally   Oct-15-03 05:55 PM   #66 
        - It matters because...  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:59 PM   #68 
           - Let me understand this  cally   Oct-15-03 06:07 PM   #72 
              - Let's play 'What if?'  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:11 PM   #74 
                 - But they are bringing it to the media with no evidence  cally   Oct-15-03 06:19 PM   #79 
                    - The defense need not prove anything  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:22 PM   #80 
                       - The defense also need not try the case in the media and poison the jury  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 07:14 PM   #103 
                          - The defense has no control over the media  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:21 PM   #106 
  - Unless I misread the article, she brought the panties from the rape and  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 06:45 PM   #89 
  - I don't believe it - I will only believe this if it is proven in court  janekat   Oct-15-03 07:10 PM   #101 
  - okay  TNOE   Oct-15-03 05:36 PM   #59 
     - I mostly agree, but the point I disagree most on  cally   Oct-15-03 06:03 PM   #70 
     - To get enough semen for a test I believe that you have to have more  janekat   Oct-15-03 08:01 PM   #116 
     - the few facts we know about now don't look like manipulation to me  spooky3   Oct-15-03 06:26 PM   #83 
     - actually in terms of what is documented and what we spend annually  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 06:47 PM   #92 
  - They pretty much determined that the "story" about her talking about  janekat   Oct-15-03 06:15 PM   #77 
  - But there is more  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:25 PM   #81 
     - K...so your point is  cally   Oct-15-03 07:48 PM   #112 
        - Why did I bring what up? n/t  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:50 PM   #113 
  - Soul?  jsw_81   Oct-17-03 12:26 AM   #164 
  - Unbelievable, isn't it?  Ilsa   Oct-15-03 03:38 PM   #29 
  - The defense is saying the woman had sex with someone AFTER Kobe.  chimpymustgo   Oct-15-03 04:14 PM   #38 
     - I had not heard today's  Ilsa   Oct-15-03 04:51 PM   #44 
     - Umm, how does consensual sex inflict those wounds?  cally   Oct-15-03 05:25 PM   #54 
        - That's why we have a trial.  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:30 PM   #56 
        - I didn't forget presumed innocent for one moment  cally   Oct-15-03 05:34 PM   #57 
        - That's a question of fact for the jury  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:36 PM   #60 
           - NO, we're talking about the media  cally   Oct-15-03 06:09 PM   #73 
              - So what?  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:12 PM   #75 
        - The vigorous defense argument would hold more water  Monica_L   Oct-15-03 05:40 PM   #61 
           - It's because it's an evidentiary hearing  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 05:46 PM   #64 
        - Bleeding 3 days later is MUCH more than just rough sex....  janekat   Oct-15-03 07:53 PM   #114 
           - The State of Colorado is entitled to try and prove that.  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 07:57 PM   #115 
           - It is..but  cally   Oct-15-03 08:25 PM   #126 
           - This is a *hearing*...  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:28 PM   #128 
           - What exactly constitutes "bleeding"?  MojoKrunch   Oct-16-03 10:04 AM   #161 
  - Our leaders are taking us forward into the twelfth century  Clete   Oct-15-03 03:51 PM   #35 
  - Death by starvation and dehydration  LunaC   Oct-15-03 04:29 PM   #41 
  - I disagree about euthanasia for Terri, though I don't believe it's  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 05:21 PM   #52 
  - In addition, saw a poll where 80% thought that Kobe is Innocent  janekat   Oct-15-03 05:44 PM   #62 
  - Great post.  DemVet   Oct-15-03 06:02 PM   #69 
  - What does this post  Pastiche423   Oct-15-03 06:30 PM   #85 
  - Terri Schiavo is disabled n/t  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:33 PM   #86 
     - What does Terri Schiavo have to do w/the disabled in the U.S.?  Pastiche423   Oct-15-03 06:45 PM   #90 
        - Read the 2nd part of the post  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 06:59 PM   #98 
  - Hope everyone who's interested in the Schiavo case will read this  DemBones DemBones   Oct-15-03 08:10 PM   #120 
  - I am ecstatic  Pastiche423   Oct-15-03 08:27 PM   #127 
  - This is not about death with dignity  deek   Oct-15-03 08:37 PM   #131 
  - Wow. It's very scary about how little they know about brain damage  janekat   Oct-15-03 11:15 PM   #148 
  - Anyone get info on the background of the judge in the Schiavo case?  LonelyLRLiberal   Oct-15-03 08:16 PM   #123 
  - Kobe could end up with LIFE IMPRISONMENT  LalahLand   Oct-15-03 08:51 PM   #136 
  - Common sense prevails  Padraig18   Oct-15-03 08:57 PM   #138 
  - What makes you the arbiter of common sense?  spooky3   Oct-15-03 09:56 PM   #142 
     - Oh, horseshit!  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:25 AM   #152 
  - Kobe should have thought about that before he cheated on his wife  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 09:29 PM   #141 
  - Excuse me?  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:30 AM   #153 
  - You have no evidence that the accuser  spooky3   Oct-15-03 10:08 PM   #143 
     - Right, I'm a female sexist?  LalahLand   Oct-15-03 10:31 PM   #144 
     - I thought the brags about his anatomy were debunked  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 10:41 PM   #145 
        - She admitted that she had semen on her panties from sex on the  janekat   Oct-15-03 11:17 PM   #149 
        - NO she admitted to hospital physicians that she had sex  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 11:21 PM   #150 
           - 'Relevant'  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:38 AM   #156 
        - This pretty much sums up what's wrong with your arguments  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:35 AM   #155 
     - I was going to send this privately but I can't  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-15-03 11:32 PM   #151 
     - Good Lord!  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:43 AM   #157 
     - Thanks--I know that, and that there are men who do also,  spooky3   Oct-16-03 07:54 AM   #160 
     - Liberals should also be concerned with 'innocent until proven guilty'  Padraig18   Oct-16-03 04:32 AM   #154 
  - "Life, No Matter How Terrible"  REP   Oct-16-03 05:46 AM   #158 
     - But you're talking about being kept alive against your wishes,  DemBones DemBones   Oct-16-03 09:26 PM   #163 
 

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