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Thu Nov-17-05 11:18 AM
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| 61. There Are Things That Can Be Done |
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First and foremost let me preface by saying:
Companies that outsource manufacturing jobs are doing so because they are essentially mismanaged. Have any of you looked at the financial statements of the large maquilladora or Chinese impex firms? Moving to Mexico or China has not made them into profit monsters! They are operating like "decently" successful firms despite the fact that they took 11 to 15% off their bottom line expenses in one fell swoop.
This is indicative of mismanagement at the highest levels. It's one thing for a firm to open an overseas location in order to have a presence in the region and access to that market. But, we all know the companies that moved Mfg. jobs there with the intention of re-importing 90% of output to the U.S. That should have made them market titans, but instead had almost a negligible effect on cash flow and net income.
Now, there are things to be done: First, a company should not be able to declare expenses assigned to the direct or indirect costs of any overseas facility from taxable income, if the output of the facility is reimported to the United States at anything over, (just tossing a number out) 1/6th of total output. That gives the truly globalizing firms a fair opportunity to grow but reduce the incentive to move mfg. jobs.
Secondly, any firm that shows improvement in cash flow or profitability that can be shown to be 40% or more due to workforce reductions in U.S. facilities should be forbidden by law from providing bonuses to corporate officers. The decision to enhance profitability by getting rid of people is not a strategic thought. It's purely tactical, and big execs don't get paid to think tactically. If that's the best they can come up with, they should go without any bonus plan.
Thirdly, incentivize firms to accept lower net income by making the corporate tax structure more progressive. Some companies will avoid lay-offs just because it will push net income into the next tax bracket. The net gain will be too small to make it worthwhile.
All of these would be disincentives to move mfg. jobs offshore when the productivity v. direct cost equation still favors american workers in a large majority of manufacturing sectors.
So, it's not just a red herring. There are things that can be done. The Professor
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| -I think outsourcing is a red herring. |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 01:49 AM |
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Northwest Airlines to outsource thousands of flight attendant jobs |
Bluebear |
Nov-15-05 01:53 AM |
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It's terrible, I know, |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 01:57 AM |
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Treaties |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-05 02:00 AM |
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In this instance, they could insist the foreign nationals... |
Bluebear |
Nov-15-05 02:06 AM |
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and this is a great example of where it is a matter of policy, not |
expatriot |
Nov-15-05 02:00 AM |
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They are squeezing the US worker at both ends |
dogday |
Nov-16-05 08:39 AM |
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The problem is not outsourcing as you pointed out |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-05 01:55 AM |
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It is complicated. But all those industrial jobs - they all produced |
applegrove |
Nov-15-05 01:56 AM |
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There is nothing inevitable |
julianer |
Nov-15-05 02:38 AM |
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No but do you seriously think we have a future if people continue to |
applegrove |
Nov-15-05 06:08 AM |
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You've got the wrong end of the stick |
julianer |
Nov-15-05 03:27 PM |
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That is why we have to make regulations across the board. Trade does |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 12:26 AM |
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Firstly, regulation doesn't work |
julianer |
Nov-16-05 02:23 AM |
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Regulations are simply laws. That is all they are. Are you saying "rule |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 02:29 AM |
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What I am saying is not so difficult to understand |
julianer |
Nov-16-05 08:36 AM |
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You say they do not work. They work if they are enforced. If campaign |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 04:57 PM |
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Yes, we are powerless |
julianer |
Nov-17-05 05:37 AM |
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I'll tell you the corporations have taken over. |
rman |
Nov-17-05 11:06 AM |
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Those Third World countries would be much better off in trading blocs |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-16-05 10:21 AM |
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I agree with much of what you say. |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 04:58 PM |
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Thanks for this. It's very interesting. |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 03:09 AM |
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I completely agree with you |
aquart |
Nov-15-05 02:14 AM |
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ROFLMAO |
foreigncorrespondent |
Nov-15-05 02:20 AM |
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Well, I put it up front for a reason. |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 03:18 AM |
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I won't flay you alive because I "know a lot more about politics..." |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-15-05 02:15 AM |
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He \she will once the salary goes down to 50 cents |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-05 02:23 AM |
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S/he lives in Shanghai according to the profile |
Bluebear |
Nov-15-05 02:24 AM |
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Did not check it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-05 02:25 AM |
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She. |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 03:36 AM |
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You're taking that quote out of context. |
bezdomny |
Nov-15-05 03:30 AM |
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You're right... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-15-05 06:57 PM |
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I agree with almost everything you've said. |
bezdomny |
Nov-16-05 02:41 AM |
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What Sapphocrat said. |
area51 |
Nov-15-05 06:10 AM |
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Due to outsourcing industry, this nation is screwed if there |
Skidmore |
Nov-15-05 06:21 AM |
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What they have gotten rid of is "civil goods". Not the nanotechnology, |
applegrove |
Nov-15-05 06:34 AM |
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The government could prohibit corporations |
rman |
Nov-15-05 07:24 AM |
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Seeing as how 95% of the middle class will live outside the USA |
applegrove |
Nov-15-05 09:12 AM |
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Is that an argument in support of allowing corporations to exploit |
rman |
Nov-16-05 07:18 AM |
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no - I am saying that if we do not trade and open up our markets to |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 10:42 PM |
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It's not about not trading - it's about not exploiting people. |
rman |
Nov-17-05 10:01 AM |
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You assume everyone in a trading relationship is being exploited. |
applegrove |
Nov-17-05 05:53 PM |
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I assume nothing - i am informed. |
rman |
Nov-18-05 05:11 AM |
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Now how did Japan industrialize? They had access to the USA market |
applegrove |
Nov-18-05 01:20 PM |
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The other bogus argument they use is that they're doing it for the good of |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-16-05 10:26 AM |
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Why do all less developed nation's economists and thinkers back |
applegrove |
Nov-16-05 10:44 PM |
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They want advantages for their exports, but unfortunately, that tends to |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-17-05 01:32 AM |
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It is the protected industries of the West that should come down. |
applegrove |
Nov-17-05 05:14 AM |
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I wouldn't count Africa out in the long term |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-17-05 09:25 AM |
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Everybody except the elites get cut out of the discussion |
Armstead |
Nov-17-05 10:11 AM |
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They don't |
rman |
Nov-17-05 10:25 AM |
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I'm not for strict IMF following. And I think that yes - countries need to |
applegrove |
Nov-17-05 05:43 PM |
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Which is why big corporation like to do business in those nations |
rman |
Nov-18-05 05:30 AM |
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The Clintons & other third wayers are big fans of De Soto. Microbanking |
applegrove |
Nov-18-05 01:25 PM |
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very broadly -- 2 things. |
xchrom |
Nov-15-05 07:29 AM |
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Outsourcing is as bad for the American worker as illegals are |
Loonman |
Nov-15-05 09:17 AM |
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Are illegals bad for the American worker or are the... |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-16-05 08:41 AM |
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Both |
Loonman |
Nov-16-05 08:47 AM |
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YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-16-05 09:20 AM |
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I think the situation isn't as narrow or cozy as you make it out to be. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-17-05 06:27 PM |
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We could close the loophole |
CornField |
Nov-16-05 09:30 AM |
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We could use a carrot and a stick approach |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-16-05 10:31 AM |
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It's not just factory jobs |
mnmoderatedem |
Nov-16-05 09:37 AM |
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I'd like to add that most jobs are lost because |
entanglement |
Nov-16-05 06:18 PM |
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I do have a suggestion about stores like Wal-Mart. |
Cleita |
Nov-16-05 10:52 PM |
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No, outsourcing is VERY real... |
JCMach1 |
Nov-16-05 11:00 PM |
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Such Fatalism is the result of corporate brainwashing |
Armstead |
Nov-17-05 09:56 AM |
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Yes, the government can do something about it! |
Jim__ |
Nov-17-05 10:03 AM |
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There Are Things That Can Be Done |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-17-05 11:18 AM |
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Here's a thought, or many: |
HypnoToad |
Nov-17-05 06:10 PM |
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