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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:13 PM
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27. I remember Kerry
direly warning Bush not to violate the war vote by abandoning the UN approval. More easily dismissed and forgotten. The Bush team had their semblance of blank check and what were the swindled compromisers going to do once troops were engage? Why did they even bother signing on? In the simple hope that weapons inspections would provide an out to direct responsibility, one way or the other?

The various Dems can probably write a biographic volume, "How I Have been Had and Could Still Be." The trap, if one still was mesmerized by American foreign policy directions in general, was real, the practical options of stopping the war seemingly none, the politics a lose-lose situation(if they knew even that?). One had to surrender to the reality of the Bush regime was and was absolutely committed to do and the things that would allow it. I think even those who voted against never had this firm foundation of distrust unmitigated by the need to join together for necessary and old policies- which the Bush team only manipulated for their own ends.

It is the duty of real leaders to get out of such traps or reverse their attitude of cooperation and surrender that stemmed from a long idiotic retreat from a stolen election and the GOP Noise Machine. I mean is the wily charismatic Bush shooting Dem Senators in front of the Capitol steps? Wellstone, with difficulty, had swung away from this big surrender and more than the other anti-war voters was poised on the brink to lead the party away from its collaboration slant, perhaps even more influential than Dean, lead the party leadership in the right direction and trust the American people not the crooks these same Dems OKed in the commission of electoral theft.
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  -How many Democrats voted for "authorization" for war in Iraq because...? kentuck  Nov-14-05 11:00 AM   #0 
  - Those of us who were right about the Invasion of Iraq NEED to hear  patrice   Nov-14-05 11:05 AM   #1 
  - IMO we as a party should stay focused on what the authorization  wtmusic   Nov-14-05 11:06 AM   #2 
  - No kidding  Noisy Democrat   Nov-14-05 11:10 AM   #3 
  - Well said  wtmusic   Nov-14-05 11:16 AM   #4 
  - Read the IWR. It authorizes force without conditions. n/t  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 11:53 AM   #16 
     - Kerry pointed out at the time:  Noisy Democrat   Nov-14-05 12:39 PM   #40 
     - His determination was based upon mushroom cloud scaremongering.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 01:24 PM   #47 
     - No it does not. Go to my thread, I have posted the IWR  johnaries   Nov-14-05 01:31 PM   #49 
  - Thanks for pointing that out about the IWR! I remember, now,  patrice   Nov-14-05 11:43 AM   #8 
  - They should have voted on the bill in front of them.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 11:55 AM   #17 
     - Do you think they didn't think Bush would Invade another country  patrice   Nov-14-05 12:15 PM   #29 
     - I thought it was clear to anyone paying attention that Bush had  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:28 PM   #34 
        - He said he hadn't decided. He was saying that in Jan-Feb 2002.  patrice   Nov-14-05 12:58 PM   #44 
     - It said  Noisy Democrat   Nov-14-05 12:48 PM   #42 
  - None of those traitors are "my" people. n/t  greyhound1966   Nov-14-05 11:50 AM   #11 
  - Well Said, Ma'am!  The Magistrate   Nov-14-05 11:52 AM   #14 
  - The IWR says no such thing.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 11:52 AM   #15 
     - It's a LAW  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 12:03 PM   #22 
        - What are you talking about?  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:11 PM   #25 
           - "mere commentary"  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 12:22 PM   #33 
              - Does it ask for him to do it in writing?  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:29 PM   #35 
                 - yes  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 12:47 PM   #41 
                    - It said he would make available his determination to the  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 01:20 PM   #46 
                       - He LIED  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 02:06 PM   #51 
                          - Of course I hold him accountable for that.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 02:09 PM   #52 
                             - It won't work  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 02:25 PM   #53 
                                - You are right there.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 02:28 PM   #54 
                                   - That is understandable  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 02:34 PM   #56 
  - It authorized the use of military force in Iraq.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 11:50 AM   #12 
     - Not cut and dried  wtmusic   Nov-14-05 12:19 PM   #31 
        - True.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:32 PM   #37 
           - What's also interesting  wtmusic   Nov-14-05 12:52 PM   #43 
              - That is an excellent re-framing of the debate.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 01:19 PM   #45 
                 - Because the media and many on the left wouldn't let them be heard.  blm   Nov-14-05 01:24 PM   #48 
  - IWR got REAL intel reports from Weapons Inspectors for two months prior  blm   Nov-14-05 11:17 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-14-05 11:20 AM   #6 
  - Shouldn't redflags have gone up when Bush requested this "authority"?  kentuck   Nov-14-05 11:39 AM   #7 
  - Go ahead, but that attitude benefits Bush and further prevents substantive  blm   Nov-14-05 11:48 AM   #9 
     - Stick our heads in the sand ?  kentuck   Nov-14-05 11:50 AM   #13 
     - yes  sandnsea   Nov-14-05 12:00 PM   #20 
     - Because blaming IWR plays into THEIR spin and obscures the FACT that the  blm   Nov-14-05 12:06 PM   #23 
     - The attitude? The IWR explicitly authorized the use of the armed  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 11:57 AM   #18 
        - Bush's determination to make AFTER weapons inspections and diplomatic  blm   Nov-14-05 12:02 PM   #21 
           - Show me where the IWR required him to do so.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:06 PM   #24 
              - It's part of UN res that the IWR refers to. You think inspectors showed up  blm   Nov-14-05 12:12 PM   #26 
                 - The resolution was a parting of ways with the UN.  tasteblind   Nov-14-05 12:14 PM   #28 
                    - Did Dean forget that he supported Biden-Lugar which had nearly the same  blm   Nov-14-05 12:21 PM   #32 
  - The usual suspects, 5 DINO's  greyhound1966   Nov-14-05 11:48 AM   #10 
  - How many of them took Bush at his word when he said  ComerPerro   Nov-14-05 11:59 AM   #19 
  - I remember Kerry  PATRICK   Nov-14-05 12:13 PM   #27 
  - I can forgive one vote based on  wiggs   Nov-14-05 12:16 PM   #30 
  - I don't know either. And - Is ammending oneself possible without  patrice   Nov-14-05 12:31 PM   #36 
  - A lie is a lie is a lie -- no matter how much you try to dress it up.  The Stranger   Nov-14-05 12:34 PM   #38 
     - We did know  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-14-05 12:38 PM   #39 
  - They voted to authorize an illegal pre-emptive war. WMD are irrelevant.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-14-05 01:32 PM   #50 
  - all of 'em  KG   Nov-14-05 02:29 PM   #55 

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