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Mon Nov-14-05 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #96 |
| 97. Faulting communism for Stalinist USSR is like faulting capitalism for Pino |
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Pinochet's Chile. The real problem in the USSR (and Chile, for that matter) at was totalitarianism, which you can bet will ultimately rear it's ugly head again.
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| -Do you think the world will ever take a second look at Communism? |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-11-05 10:16 PM |
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Which Communism? |
Wilms |
Nov-11-05 10:18 PM |
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Certainly not Soviet Style -- hope that's dead and gone |
Paranoid Pessimist |
Nov-14-05 05:40 PM |
#96 |
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Faulting communism for Stalinist USSR is like faulting capitalism for Pino |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 05:58 PM |
#97 |
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No. |
Mme. Defarge |
Nov-11-05 10:20 PM |
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Let's ask China... |
ticapnews |
Nov-11-05 10:20 PM |
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I'm not sure if "communism" even applies to China anymore. |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-11-05 10:24 PM |
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Or if they ever had. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-12-05 10:59 AM |
#68 |
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I worked with the Chinese government and they are serious about |
HamdenRice |
Nov-12-05 12:57 PM |
#75 |
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communism |
enid602 |
Nov-11-05 10:23 PM |
#4 |
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You can ask Fidel. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
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Not really |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:26 PM |
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He is allowing ownership, taking profit, sharing the wealth. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
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True |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:41 PM |
#21 |
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I make a distinction between Socialism and Communism. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:54 PM |
#26 |
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It's a superficial distinction, largely |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:09 PM |
#33 |
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Germans thought they were fighting injustice. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 11:49 PM |
#43 |
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The difference |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:03 AM |
#46 |
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Thanks for the conversation. |
gordianot |
Nov-12-05 12:50 AM |
#56 |
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Sure thing |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 11:38 AM |
#69 |
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You can view governments in 4 polar paradigm. |
gordianot |
Nov-13-05 09:37 PM |
#94 |
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Chavez is a capitalist? |
manic expression |
Nov-14-05 05:07 PM |
#95 |
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Redistribution does not a Communist make. |
gordianot |
Nov-15-05 09:08 AM |
#100 |
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And.... |
manic expression |
Nov-15-05 03:32 PM |
#106 |
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Gee whiz |
gordianot |
Nov-15-05 10:30 PM |
#111 |
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You don't know the difference? |
manic expression |
Nov-15-05 10:54 PM |
#112 |
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Your idealism is commendable |
bunyip |
Nov-16-05 12:13 AM |
#113 |
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You are mistaken, IMO |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:39 PM |
#122 |
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Great post. |
gordianot |
Nov-16-05 03:55 PM |
#127 |
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Only if the government actually is an instrument of self-governance |
rman |
Nov-16-05 07:13 AM |
#117 |
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Good points |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:53 PM |
#123 |
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Right, to call Stalin's USSR "communist" is as inaccurate |
rman |
Nov-17-05 05:38 AM |
#129 |
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I know the difference as defined in text books. |
gordianot |
Nov-16-05 10:37 AM |
#121 |
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It's not either/or |
rman |
Nov-16-05 06:52 AM |
#116 |
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True |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:55 PM |
#124 |
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communism is detailed control of your daily life by the party |
rfkrfk |
Nov-16-05 07:23 AM |
#118 |
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I do think |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:59 PM |
#125 |
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Yes |
rwheeler31 |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
#7 |
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No, I think it's on a downhill slope n/t |
PatrioticLeftie |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
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I hope not. It ignores human nature. |
Pirate Smile |
Nov-11-05 10:26 PM |
#9 |
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And what exactly is "human nature" again? n/t |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 10:27 PM |
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Human nature that seeks to have a tier or hierarchy |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-12-05 12:36 AM |
#54 |
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I'm not sure that we aren't holding Communism to a higher standard... |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-12-05 01:58 AM |
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Anarcho-capitalism will lead to the same |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-12-05 08:29 AM |
#64 |
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Human nature is fundamentally irrational. |
bezdomny |
Nov-13-05 01:43 AM |
#88 |
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The same argument |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:28 PM |
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Communism may have "worked" in Cuba because the only people |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:20 PM |
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It worked |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:31 AM |
#53 |
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Your expression reflects part of the "problem". |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 12:00 PM |
#71 |
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Don't you know that the only real measure of your worth |
BBradley |
Nov-13-05 01:55 AM |
#90 |
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Ignores human nature? Do you mean like sex offender laws and laws against |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 05:59 PM |
#98 |
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The label "Communism" will kill anything it touches it, which is |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 10:30 PM |
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No. It had its chance. |
faygokid |
Nov-11-05 10:31 PM |
#14 |
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Tell the Cubans |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:36 PM |
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I won't be a Communist. Much to admire. But no way. |
faygokid |
Nov-11-05 10:51 PM |
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Be what you want to be |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:01 PM |
#30 |
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I will tell the Cubans |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:22 PM |
#38 |
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Wow |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:51 PM |
#44 |
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If I was born poor in a Latin American country |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:59 PM |
#45 |
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If I was born anywhere |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:08 AM |
#48 |
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I'm all for equality and justice |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-12-05 12:10 AM |
#50 |
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OK, |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:22 AM |
#52 |
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A lot of people are also escaping from Mexico |
ck4829 |
Nov-12-05 03:47 PM |
#79 |
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But in Mexico, you have a European ruling class |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-13-05 01:34 AM |
#87 |
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It used to be that way in Cuba |
manic expression |
Nov-13-05 09:34 AM |
#92 |
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Same thing in the US.... |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:28 AM |
#102 |
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The other thing about Cuba is that there is no freedom of speech |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:38 PM |
#41 |
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That's not true |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:48 PM |
#42 |
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So Castro is not a dictator |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-12-05 12:08 AM |
#49 |
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No |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:19 AM |
#51 |
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Sorry, RagingInMiami. You don't have correct information. |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 12:27 PM |
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Hey Mika |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-13-05 12:56 AM |
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Thanks for the response |
Mika |
Nov-13-05 11:28 AM |
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If Castro's economic system is so great, why are they still so poor? |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 12:42 PM |
#74 |
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The US embargo is extra territorial |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 03:16 PM |
#76 |
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That still leaves a LOT of the world to trade with. |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 06:49 PM |
#81 |
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Give me a break |
manic expression |
Nov-13-05 09:27 AM |
#91 |
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It's the embargoes, |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 04:13 PM |
#80 |
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Cuba exports low priced commodities, the embargo is meaningless |
rfkrfk |
Nov-16-05 08:00 AM |
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See post #76 |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 03:31 PM |
#126 |
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Nope. It's interesting in theory, but fails on large scale application |
ixion |
Nov-11-05 10:33 PM |
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The most succesful form of true commune-ism |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
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Not state socialism. It'll never work with that much concentration |
Selatius |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
#18 |
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Hurray, another anarcho-syndicalist |
Hardrada |
Nov-12-05 01:53 AM |
#60 |
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Marx: "Henry George is Capitalism's last stand" |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-11-05 10:38 PM |
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They are two separate things |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
#22 |
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By passing it on from generation to generation |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-11-05 11:09 PM |
#32 |
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Must I write you a treatise |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:37 PM |
#40 |
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Socialism |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-12-05 12:43 AM |
#55 |
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Please |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:08 PM |
#72 |
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socialism benefitting the few |
TexasLefty |
Nov-16-05 04:06 PM |
#128 |
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Excellent post. |
bunyip |
Nov-16-05 12:33 AM |
#114 |
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I compared it to the Gnostics, Arianisms and Catholics in Roman Times |
happyslug |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
#23 |
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Yes, but it will not be done under that name |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
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I agree |
gwbsamoron |
Nov-12-05 12:03 AM |
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I agree but I haven't been able to come up with a catchy acronym yet. |
Thtwudbeme |
Nov-12-05 03:44 PM |
#78 |
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The problem with communism, beside the totalitarian aspect |
Cleita |
Nov-11-05 10:56 PM |
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Yep. Fascism and communism are both totalitarian. The only |
Ladyhawk |
Nov-11-05 11:16 PM |
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Remember this about communism: it is the end of class struggle |
0rganism |
Nov-11-05 10:58 PM |
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Bravo! Much better way to phrase the question. U.S. citizens are |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 11:00 PM |
#29 |
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Americans have been inoculated against it, but it could work elsewhere if |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-11-05 11:05 PM |
#31 |
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No. Nor should they. |
NNadir |
Nov-11-05 11:11 PM |
#34 |
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Lost in the fog of history... |
La_Fourmi_Rouge |
Nov-11-05 11:13 PM |
#35 |
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Well, our Stone Age ancestral societies were communistic. |
Cleita |
Nov-11-05 11:25 PM |
#39 |
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Well said. |
ConsAreLiars |
Nov-12-05 02:17 AM |
#62 |
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No. It failed everywhere. Everywhere. What works is a mix of policies. |
applegrove |
Nov-12-05 01:44 AM |
#57 |
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A mix isn't optimal |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-12-05 10:56 AM |
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Absolutely Wrong. In the West - we all live in "mixed market" economies. |
applegrove |
Nov-12-05 03:17 PM |
#77 |
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That is total BS. A mix is the best method. |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:45 PM |
#108 |
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What's that "large measure of social control" the Left supposedly entails? |
rman |
Nov-16-05 06:46 AM |
#115 |
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no, it never did in the first place |
upi402 |
Nov-12-05 01:47 AM |
#58 |
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Oh, I think that socialistic bits might creep in |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-12-05 01:47 AM |
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It's funny how adament people are about it not coming back at all. ;) |
Qibing Zero |
Nov-12-05 04:06 AM |
#63 |
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The first name "Lenin" is popular in southern India |
laura888 |
Nov-12-05 08:38 AM |
#65 |
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It's unlikely, |
Dorian Gray |
Nov-12-05 09:58 AM |
#66 |
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it never really took a first look |
leftofthedial |
Nov-12-05 11:43 AM |
#70 |
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No. Large scale state planning always fails. NT |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 06:51 PM |
#82 |
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So does large scale corporate planning |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:35 AM |
#105 |
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Which is why the best solution lies in the middle. |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:46 PM |
#109 |
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With what in mind? |
triguy46 |
Nov-12-05 07:22 PM |
#83 |
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Yes. |
rug |
Nov-12-05 08:39 PM |
#84 |
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Only if crony capitalist assholes continue to give REAL free markets |
impeachdubya |
Nov-13-05 12:58 AM |
#86 |
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What we need are fair laws governing corporations and trade. |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-05 01:51 AM |
#89 |
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Real Question: will the world will ever take a second look at Capitalism? |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 06:11 PM |
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Not on a worldwide level, but there might be localized resurgences. |
Fenris |
Nov-15-05 09:18 AM |
#101 |
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No |
Loonman |
Nov-15-05 10:28 AM |
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Alternatively, we could just have a bit more socialism here and there. |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:31 AM |
#104 |
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Hopefully not. It is as foolish a utopian idea as total free market |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:40 PM |
#107 |
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No, I don't think so |
camero |
Nov-15-05 04:03 PM |
#110 |
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Hell no |
thefloyd |
Nov-16-05 07:24 AM |
#119 |
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