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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:42 PM
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74. If Castro's economic system is so great, why are they still so poor?
Don't say the US embargo has anything to do with it. He can still trade with the whole rest of the world. If he had a good economic system, then in 40 years he should have made the island rich.

Is the US the only place that sells meat? Don't be stupid. He could buy from Argentina.
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  -Do you think the world will ever take a second look at Communism? LostInAnomie  Nov-11-05 10:16 PM   #0 
  - Which Communism?  Wilms   Nov-11-05 10:18 PM   #1 
  - Certainly not Soviet Style -- hope that's dead and gone  Paranoid Pessimist   Nov-14-05 05:40 PM   #96 
     - Faulting communism for Stalinist USSR is like faulting capitalism for Pino  Czolgosz   Nov-14-05 05:58 PM   #97 
  - No.  Mme. Defarge   Nov-11-05 10:20 PM   #2 
  - Let's ask China...  ticapnews   Nov-11-05 10:20 PM   #3 
  - I'm not sure if "communism" even applies to China anymore.  LostInAnomie   Nov-11-05 10:24 PM   #5 
     - Or if they ever had.  HypnoToad   Nov-12-05 10:59 AM   #68 
     - I worked with the Chinese government and they are serious about  HamdenRice   Nov-12-05 12:57 PM   #75 
  - communism  enid602   Nov-11-05 10:23 PM   #4 
  - You can ask Fidel.  gordianot   Nov-11-05 10:25 PM   #6 
  - Not really  manic expression   Nov-11-05 10:26 PM   #10 
     - He is allowing ownership, taking profit, sharing the wealth.  gordianot   Nov-11-05 10:34 PM   #16 
        - True  manic expression   Nov-11-05 10:41 PM   #21 
           - I make a distinction between Socialism and Communism.  gordianot   Nov-11-05 10:54 PM   #26 
              - It's a superficial distinction, largely  manic expression   Nov-11-05 11:09 PM   #33 
                 - Germans thought they were fighting injustice.  gordianot   Nov-11-05 11:49 PM   #43 
                 - The difference  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:03 AM   #46 
                    - Thanks for the conversation.  gordianot   Nov-12-05 12:50 AM   #56 
                       - Sure thing  manic expression   Nov-12-05 11:38 AM   #69 
                          - You can view governments in 4 polar paradigm.  gordianot   Nov-13-05 09:37 PM   #94 
                             - Chavez is a capitalist?  manic expression   Nov-14-05 05:07 PM   #95 
                                - Redistribution does not a Communist make.  gordianot   Nov-15-05 09:08 AM   #100 
                                - And....  manic expression   Nov-15-05 03:32 PM   #106 
                                   - Gee whiz  gordianot   Nov-15-05 10:30 PM   #111 
                                      - You don't know the difference?  manic expression   Nov-15-05 10:54 PM   #112 
                                         - Your idealism is commendable  bunyip   Nov-16-05 12:13 AM   #113 
                                         - You are mistaken, IMO  manic expression   Nov-16-05 02:39 PM   #122 
                                         - Great post.  gordianot   Nov-16-05 03:55 PM   #127 
                                         - Only if the government actually is an instrument of self-governance  rman   Nov-16-05 07:13 AM   #117 
                                         - Good points  manic expression   Nov-16-05 02:53 PM   #123 
                                            - Right, to call Stalin's USSR "communist" is as inaccurate  rman   Nov-17-05 05:38 AM   #129 
                                         - I know the difference as defined in text books.  gordianot   Nov-16-05 10:37 AM   #121 
                                - It's not either/or  rman   Nov-16-05 06:52 AM   #116 
                                   - True  manic expression   Nov-16-05 02:55 PM   #124 
                 - communism is detailed control of your daily life by the party  rfkrfk   Nov-16-05 07:23 AM   #118 
                    - I do think  manic expression   Nov-16-05 02:59 PM   #125 
  - Yes  rwheeler31   Nov-11-05 10:25 PM   #7 
  - No, I think it's on a downhill slope n/t  PatrioticLeftie   Nov-11-05 10:25 PM   #8 
  - I hope not. It ignores human nature.  Pirate Smile   Nov-11-05 10:26 PM   #9 
  - And what exactly is "human nature" again? n/t  Kralizec   Nov-11-05 10:27 PM   #11 
  - Human nature that seeks to have a tier or hierarchy  bluedawg12   Nov-12-05 12:36 AM   #54 
  - I'm not sure that we aren't holding Communism to a higher standard...  LostInAnomie   Nov-12-05 01:58 AM   #61 
     - Anarcho-capitalism will lead to the same  bluedawg12   Nov-12-05 08:29 AM   #64 
  - Human nature is fundamentally irrational.  bezdomny   Nov-13-05 01:43 AM   #88 
  - The same argument  manic expression   Nov-11-05 10:28 PM   #12 
  - Communism may have "worked" in Cuba because the only people  RagingInMiami   Nov-11-05 11:20 PM   #37 
     - It worked  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:31 AM   #53 
     - Your expression reflects part of the "problem".  Mika   Nov-12-05 12:00 PM   #71 
        - Don't you know that the only real measure of your worth  BBradley   Nov-13-05 01:55 AM   #90 
  - Ignores human nature? Do you mean like sex offender laws and laws against  Czolgosz   Nov-14-05 05:59 PM   #98 
  - The label "Communism" will kill anything it touches it, which is  Kralizec   Nov-11-05 10:30 PM   #13 
  - No. It had its chance.  faygokid   Nov-11-05 10:31 PM   #14 
  - Tell the Cubans  manic expression   Nov-11-05 10:36 PM   #19 
     - I won't be a Communist. Much to admire. But no way.  faygokid   Nov-11-05 10:51 PM   #25 
     - Be what you want to be  manic expression   Nov-11-05 11:01 PM   #30 
     - I will tell the Cubans  RagingInMiami   Nov-11-05 11:22 PM   #38 
     - Wow  manic expression   Nov-11-05 11:51 PM   #44 
     - If I was born poor in a Latin American country  RagingInMiami   Nov-11-05 11:59 PM   #45 
        - If I was born anywhere  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:08 AM   #48 
           - I'm all for equality and justice  RagingInMiami   Nov-12-05 12:10 AM   #50 
              - OK,  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:22 AM   #52 
     - A lot of people are also escaping from Mexico  ck4829   Nov-12-05 03:47 PM   #79 
        - But in Mexico, you have a European ruling class  RagingInMiami   Nov-13-05 01:34 AM   #87 
           - It used to be that way in Cuba  manic expression   Nov-13-05 09:34 AM   #92 
           - Same thing in the US....  rman   Nov-15-05 10:28 AM   #102 
     - The other thing about Cuba is that there is no freedom of speech  RagingInMiami   Nov-11-05 11:38 PM   #41 
        - That's not true  manic expression   Nov-11-05 11:48 PM   #42 
           - So Castro is not a dictator  RagingInMiami   Nov-12-05 12:08 AM   #49 
           - No  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:19 AM   #51 
           - Sorry, RagingInMiami. You don't have correct information.  Mika   Nov-12-05 12:27 PM   #73 
              - Hey Mika  RagingInMiami   Nov-13-05 12:56 AM   #85 
                 - Thanks for the response  Mika   Nov-13-05 11:28 AM   #93 
           - If Castro's economic system is so great, why are they still so poor?  Silverhair   Nov-12-05 12:42 PM   #74 
              - The US embargo is extra territorial  Mika   Nov-12-05 03:16 PM   #76 
              - That still leaves a LOT of the world to trade with.  Silverhair   Nov-12-05 06:49 PM   #81 
                 - Give me a break  manic expression   Nov-13-05 09:27 AM   #91 
              - It's the embargoes,  manic expression   Nov-12-05 04:13 PM   #80 
                 - Cuba exports low priced commodities, the embargo is meaningless  rfkrfk   Nov-16-05 08:00 AM   #120 
                    - See post #76  manic expression   Nov-16-05 03:31 PM   #126 
  - Nope. It's interesting in theory, but fails on large scale application  ixion   Nov-11-05 10:33 PM   #15 
  - The most succesful form of true commune-ism  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-11-05 10:34 PM   #17 
  - Not state socialism. It'll never work with that much concentration  Selatius   Nov-11-05 10:34 PM   #18 
  - Hurray, another anarcho-syndicalist  Hardrada   Nov-12-05 01:53 AM   #60 
  - Marx: "Henry George is Capitalism's last stand"  dcfirefighter   Nov-11-05 10:38 PM   #20 
  - They are two separate things  manic expression   Nov-11-05 10:47 PM   #22 
     - By passing it on from generation to generation  dcfirefighter   Nov-11-05 11:09 PM   #32 
        - Must I write you a treatise  manic expression   Nov-11-05 11:37 PM   #40 
           - Socialism  dcfirefighter   Nov-12-05 12:43 AM   #55 
              - Please  manic expression   Nov-12-05 12:08 PM   #72 
              - socialism benefitting the few  TexasLefty   Nov-16-05 04:06 PM   #128 
              - Excellent post.  bunyip   Nov-16-05 12:33 AM   #114 
  - I compared it to the Gnostics, Arianisms and Catholics in Roman Times  happyslug   Nov-11-05 10:47 PM   #23 
  - Yes, but it will not be done under that name  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-11-05 10:47 PM   #24 
  - I agree  gwbsamoron   Nov-12-05 12:03 AM   #47 
  - I agree but I haven't been able to come up with a catchy acronym yet.  Thtwudbeme   Nov-12-05 03:44 PM   #78 
  - The problem with communism, beside the totalitarian aspect  Cleita   Nov-11-05 10:56 PM   #27 
  - Yep. Fascism and communism are both totalitarian. The only  Ladyhawk   Nov-11-05 11:16 PM   #36 
  - Remember this about communism: it is the end of class struggle  0rganism   Nov-11-05 10:58 PM   #28 
  - Bravo! Much better way to phrase the question. U.S. citizens are  Kralizec   Nov-11-05 11:00 PM   #29 
  - Americans have been inoculated against it, but it could work elsewhere if  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-11-05 11:05 PM   #31 
  - No. Nor should they.  NNadir   Nov-11-05 11:11 PM   #34 
  - Lost in the fog of history...  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Nov-11-05 11:13 PM   #35 
  - Well, our Stone Age ancestral societies were communistic.  Cleita   Nov-11-05 11:25 PM   #39 
  - Well said.  ConsAreLiars   Nov-12-05 02:17 AM   #62 
  - No. It failed everywhere. Everywhere. What works is a mix of policies.  applegrove   Nov-12-05 01:44 AM   #57 
  - A mix isn't optimal  dcfirefighter   Nov-12-05 10:56 AM   #67 
     - Absolutely Wrong. In the West - we all live in "mixed market" economies.  applegrove   Nov-12-05 03:17 PM   #77 
     - That is total BS. A mix is the best method.  Zynx   Nov-15-05 03:45 PM   #108 
     - What's that "large measure of social control" the Left supposedly entails?  rman   Nov-16-05 06:46 AM   #115 
  - no, it never did in the first place  upi402   Nov-12-05 01:47 AM   #58 
  - Oh, I think that socialistic bits might creep in  LittleClarkie   Nov-12-05 01:47 AM   #59 
  - It's funny how adament people are about it not coming back at all. ;)  Qibing Zero   Nov-12-05 04:06 AM   #63 
  - The first name "Lenin" is popular in southern India  laura888   Nov-12-05 08:38 AM   #65 
  - It's unlikely,  Dorian Gray   Nov-12-05 09:58 AM   #66 
  - it never really took a first look  leftofthedial   Nov-12-05 11:43 AM   #70 
  - No. Large scale state planning always fails. NT  Silverhair   Nov-12-05 06:51 PM   #82 
  - So does large scale corporate planning  rman   Nov-15-05 10:35 AM   #105 
     - Which is why the best solution lies in the middle.  Zynx   Nov-15-05 03:46 PM   #109 
  - With what in mind?  triguy46   Nov-12-05 07:22 PM   #83 
  - Yes.  rug   Nov-12-05 08:39 PM   #84 
  - Only if crony capitalist assholes continue to give REAL free markets  impeachdubya   Nov-13-05 12:58 AM   #86 
  - What we need are fair laws governing corporations and trade.  bluedawg12   Nov-13-05 01:51 AM   #89 
  - Real Question: will the world will ever take a second look at Capitalism?  Czolgosz   Nov-14-05 06:11 PM   #99 
  - Not on a worldwide level, but there might be localized resurgences.  Fenris   Nov-15-05 09:18 AM   #101 
  - No  Loonman   Nov-15-05 10:28 AM   #103 
  - Alternatively, we could just have a bit more socialism here and there.  rman   Nov-15-05 10:31 AM   #104 
  - Hopefully not. It is as foolish a utopian idea as total free market  Zynx   Nov-15-05 03:40 PM   #107 
  - No, I don't think so  camero   Nov-15-05 04:03 PM   #110 
  - Hell no  thefloyd   Nov-16-05 07:24 AM   #119 
 

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