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Sat Nov-12-05 01:58 AM
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| 61. I'm not sure that we aren't holding Communism to a higher standard... |
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Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 01:58 AM by LostInAnomie
... than we do Capitalism.
Capitalism is equally subject to corruption and abuse as Communism. The difference is that when people starve, go without medicine, or can't afford an education we just shrug our shoulders and say "Well that's the free market".
When a Communist/Socialist country has problems we jump to say that it is a sign that communism can't and never will work.
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| -Do you think the world will ever take a second look at Communism? |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-11-05 10:16 PM |
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Which Communism? |
Wilms |
Nov-11-05 10:18 PM |
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Certainly not Soviet Style -- hope that's dead and gone |
Paranoid Pessimist |
Nov-14-05 05:40 PM |
#96 |
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Faulting communism for Stalinist USSR is like faulting capitalism for Pino |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 05:58 PM |
#97 |
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No. |
Mme. Defarge |
Nov-11-05 10:20 PM |
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Let's ask China... |
ticapnews |
Nov-11-05 10:20 PM |
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I'm not sure if "communism" even applies to China anymore. |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-11-05 10:24 PM |
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Or if they ever had. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-12-05 10:59 AM |
#68 |
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I worked with the Chinese government and they are serious about |
HamdenRice |
Nov-12-05 12:57 PM |
#75 |
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communism |
enid602 |
Nov-11-05 10:23 PM |
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You can ask Fidel. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
#6 |
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Not really |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:26 PM |
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He is allowing ownership, taking profit, sharing the wealth. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
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True |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:41 PM |
#21 |
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I make a distinction between Socialism and Communism. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 10:54 PM |
#26 |
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It's a superficial distinction, largely |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:09 PM |
#33 |
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Germans thought they were fighting injustice. |
gordianot |
Nov-11-05 11:49 PM |
#43 |
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The difference |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:03 AM |
#46 |
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Thanks for the conversation. |
gordianot |
Nov-12-05 12:50 AM |
#56 |
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Sure thing |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 11:38 AM |
#69 |
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You can view governments in 4 polar paradigm. |
gordianot |
Nov-13-05 09:37 PM |
#94 |
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Chavez is a capitalist? |
manic expression |
Nov-14-05 05:07 PM |
#95 |
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Redistribution does not a Communist make. |
gordianot |
Nov-15-05 09:08 AM |
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And.... |
manic expression |
Nov-15-05 03:32 PM |
#106 |
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Gee whiz |
gordianot |
Nov-15-05 10:30 PM |
#111 |
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You don't know the difference? |
manic expression |
Nov-15-05 10:54 PM |
#112 |
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Your idealism is commendable |
bunyip |
Nov-16-05 12:13 AM |
#113 |
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You are mistaken, IMO |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:39 PM |
#122 |
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Great post. |
gordianot |
Nov-16-05 03:55 PM |
#127 |
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Only if the government actually is an instrument of self-governance |
rman |
Nov-16-05 07:13 AM |
#117 |
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Good points |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:53 PM |
#123 |
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Right, to call Stalin's USSR "communist" is as inaccurate |
rman |
Nov-17-05 05:38 AM |
#129 |
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I know the difference as defined in text books. |
gordianot |
Nov-16-05 10:37 AM |
#121 |
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It's not either/or |
rman |
Nov-16-05 06:52 AM |
#116 |
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True |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:55 PM |
#124 |
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communism is detailed control of your daily life by the party |
rfkrfk |
Nov-16-05 07:23 AM |
#118 |
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I do think |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 02:59 PM |
#125 |
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Yes |
rwheeler31 |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
#7 |
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No, I think it's on a downhill slope n/t |
PatrioticLeftie |
Nov-11-05 10:25 PM |
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I hope not. It ignores human nature. |
Pirate Smile |
Nov-11-05 10:26 PM |
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And what exactly is "human nature" again? n/t |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 10:27 PM |
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Human nature that seeks to have a tier or hierarchy |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-12-05 12:36 AM |
#54 |
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I'm not sure that we aren't holding Communism to a higher standard... |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-12-05 01:58 AM |
#61 |
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Anarcho-capitalism will lead to the same |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-12-05 08:29 AM |
#64 |
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Human nature is fundamentally irrational. |
bezdomny |
Nov-13-05 01:43 AM |
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The same argument |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:28 PM |
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Communism may have "worked" in Cuba because the only people |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:20 PM |
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It worked |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:31 AM |
#53 |
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Your expression reflects part of the "problem". |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 12:00 PM |
#71 |
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Don't you know that the only real measure of your worth |
BBradley |
Nov-13-05 01:55 AM |
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Ignores human nature? Do you mean like sex offender laws and laws against |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 05:59 PM |
#98 |
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The label "Communism" will kill anything it touches it, which is |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 10:30 PM |
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No. It had its chance. |
faygokid |
Nov-11-05 10:31 PM |
#14 |
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Tell the Cubans |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:36 PM |
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I won't be a Communist. Much to admire. But no way. |
faygokid |
Nov-11-05 10:51 PM |
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Be what you want to be |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:01 PM |
#30 |
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I will tell the Cubans |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:22 PM |
#38 |
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Wow |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:51 PM |
#44 |
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If I was born poor in a Latin American country |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:59 PM |
#45 |
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If I was born anywhere |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:08 AM |
#48 |
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I'm all for equality and justice |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-12-05 12:10 AM |
#50 |
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OK, |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:22 AM |
#52 |
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A lot of people are also escaping from Mexico |
ck4829 |
Nov-12-05 03:47 PM |
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But in Mexico, you have a European ruling class |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-13-05 01:34 AM |
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It used to be that way in Cuba |
manic expression |
Nov-13-05 09:34 AM |
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Same thing in the US.... |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:28 AM |
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The other thing about Cuba is that there is no freedom of speech |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-11-05 11:38 PM |
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That's not true |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:48 PM |
#42 |
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So Castro is not a dictator |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-12-05 12:08 AM |
#49 |
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No |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:19 AM |
#51 |
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Sorry, RagingInMiami. You don't have correct information. |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 12:27 PM |
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Hey Mika |
RagingInMiami |
Nov-13-05 12:56 AM |
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Thanks for the response |
Mika |
Nov-13-05 11:28 AM |
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If Castro's economic system is so great, why are they still so poor? |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 12:42 PM |
#74 |
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The US embargo is extra territorial |
Mika |
Nov-12-05 03:16 PM |
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That still leaves a LOT of the world to trade with. |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 06:49 PM |
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Give me a break |
manic expression |
Nov-13-05 09:27 AM |
#91 |
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It's the embargoes, |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 04:13 PM |
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Cuba exports low priced commodities, the embargo is meaningless |
rfkrfk |
Nov-16-05 08:00 AM |
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See post #76 |
manic expression |
Nov-16-05 03:31 PM |
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Nope. It's interesting in theory, but fails on large scale application |
ixion |
Nov-11-05 10:33 PM |
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The most succesful form of true commune-ism |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
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Not state socialism. It'll never work with that much concentration |
Selatius |
Nov-11-05 10:34 PM |
#18 |
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Hurray, another anarcho-syndicalist |
Hardrada |
Nov-12-05 01:53 AM |
#60 |
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Marx: "Henry George is Capitalism's last stand" |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-11-05 10:38 PM |
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They are two separate things |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
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By passing it on from generation to generation |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-11-05 11:09 PM |
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Must I write you a treatise |
manic expression |
Nov-11-05 11:37 PM |
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Socialism |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-12-05 12:43 AM |
#55 |
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Please |
manic expression |
Nov-12-05 12:08 PM |
#72 |
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socialism benefitting the few |
TexasLefty |
Nov-16-05 04:06 PM |
#128 |
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Excellent post. |
bunyip |
Nov-16-05 12:33 AM |
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I compared it to the Gnostics, Arianisms and Catholics in Roman Times |
happyslug |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
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Yes, but it will not be done under that name |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-05 10:47 PM |
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I agree |
gwbsamoron |
Nov-12-05 12:03 AM |
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I agree but I haven't been able to come up with a catchy acronym yet. |
Thtwudbeme |
Nov-12-05 03:44 PM |
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The problem with communism, beside the totalitarian aspect |
Cleita |
Nov-11-05 10:56 PM |
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Yep. Fascism and communism are both totalitarian. The only |
Ladyhawk |
Nov-11-05 11:16 PM |
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Remember this about communism: it is the end of class struggle |
0rganism |
Nov-11-05 10:58 PM |
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Bravo! Much better way to phrase the question. U.S. citizens are |
Kralizec |
Nov-11-05 11:00 PM |
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Americans have been inoculated against it, but it could work elsewhere if |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-11-05 11:05 PM |
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No. Nor should they. |
NNadir |
Nov-11-05 11:11 PM |
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Lost in the fog of history... |
La_Fourmi_Rouge |
Nov-11-05 11:13 PM |
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Well, our Stone Age ancestral societies were communistic. |
Cleita |
Nov-11-05 11:25 PM |
#39 |
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Well said. |
ConsAreLiars |
Nov-12-05 02:17 AM |
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No. It failed everywhere. Everywhere. What works is a mix of policies. |
applegrove |
Nov-12-05 01:44 AM |
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A mix isn't optimal |
dcfirefighter |
Nov-12-05 10:56 AM |
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Absolutely Wrong. In the West - we all live in "mixed market" economies. |
applegrove |
Nov-12-05 03:17 PM |
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That is total BS. A mix is the best method. |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:45 PM |
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What's that "large measure of social control" the Left supposedly entails? |
rman |
Nov-16-05 06:46 AM |
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no, it never did in the first place |
upi402 |
Nov-12-05 01:47 AM |
#58 |
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Oh, I think that socialistic bits might creep in |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-12-05 01:47 AM |
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It's funny how adament people are about it not coming back at all. ;) |
Qibing Zero |
Nov-12-05 04:06 AM |
#63 |
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The first name "Lenin" is popular in southern India |
laura888 |
Nov-12-05 08:38 AM |
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It's unlikely, |
Dorian Gray |
Nov-12-05 09:58 AM |
#66 |
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it never really took a first look |
leftofthedial |
Nov-12-05 11:43 AM |
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No. Large scale state planning always fails. NT |
Silverhair |
Nov-12-05 06:51 PM |
#82 |
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So does large scale corporate planning |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:35 AM |
#105 |
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Which is why the best solution lies in the middle. |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:46 PM |
#109 |
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With what in mind? |
triguy46 |
Nov-12-05 07:22 PM |
#83 |
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Yes. |
rug |
Nov-12-05 08:39 PM |
#84 |
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Only if crony capitalist assholes continue to give REAL free markets |
impeachdubya |
Nov-13-05 12:58 AM |
#86 |
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What we need are fair laws governing corporations and trade. |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-13-05 01:51 AM |
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Real Question: will the world will ever take a second look at Capitalism? |
Czolgosz |
Nov-14-05 06:11 PM |
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Not on a worldwide level, but there might be localized resurgences. |
Fenris |
Nov-15-05 09:18 AM |
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No |
Loonman |
Nov-15-05 10:28 AM |
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Alternatively, we could just have a bit more socialism here and there. |
rman |
Nov-15-05 10:31 AM |
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Hopefully not. It is as foolish a utopian idea as total free market |
Zynx |
Nov-15-05 03:40 PM |
#107 |
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No, I don't think so |
camero |
Nov-15-05 04:03 PM |
#110 |
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Hell no |
thefloyd |
Nov-16-05 07:24 AM |
#119 |
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