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79. :)
It was a flim flam, more than a loss of war. The indians could continue the fight, but ultimately they knew the war was going to be lost, so they made treaties with the USA in order to stop armed conflict. The USA hasn't kept up on much of its end of the bargain. Because of the treaties, i am sorry to say, there are debts to be paid to the vanqished. You make it seem like, its a so sad, so bad issue, which it isn't. My ancestors paid the ultimate price for me, and they paid it in BLOOD. To say there is no debt is pretty coldhearted. Albeit what the original poster said, i believe is impossible...
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  -Should landowners have to pay a tax to the Indian tribe that lived there? bob_weaver  Nov-07-05 11:02 AM   #0 
  - No, what I think they ought to do is GIVE IT BACK  mtnester   Nov-07-05 11:03 AM   #1 
  - I disagree  sui generis   Nov-07-05 11:11 AM   #5 
  - Have you given back yours?  Wcross   Nov-07-05 12:25 PM   #27 
  - Better know my heritage better before you go there  mtnester   Nov-07-05 12:50 PM   #30 
     - Why is that?  Wcross   Nov-07-05 01:23 PM   #32 
     - Your opinion is one thing, and yours to have  mtnester   Nov-07-05 03:14 PM   #48 
        - Do you mean "throw" something at you?  Wcross   Nov-07-05 04:39 PM   #54 
           - Again, snark away  mtnester   Nov-07-05 04:41 PM   #55 
           - What's yer point, Wcross, other than to stir up crap?  NVMojo   Nov-07-05 07:08 PM   #66 
              - Yes, I assume that is what is going on...I have my ways of handling that  mtnester   Nov-07-05 07:25 PM   #69 
              - You assume what is going on? Clue me in.  Wcross   Nov-07-05 07:59 PM   #73 
              - I think my point is clear.  Wcross   Nov-08-05 07:05 PM   #120 
     - Why  Toots   Nov-08-05 08:29 AM   #88 
  - OK, who ya gonna give it to?  TX-RAT   Nov-07-05 01:24 PM   #33 
  - I don't know...it is simply wishful thinking on my part  mtnester   Nov-07-05 03:16 PM   #49 
     - we're not "caretakers", we are residents.  MarsThe Cat   Nov-07-05 11:41 PM   #74 
  - give it back?  MarsThe Cat   Nov-07-05 06:05 PM   #62 
  - If you read my post 49 DIRECTLY above you at this point  mtnester   Nov-07-05 07:24 PM   #68 
  - People can BUY my land, no problem. If the price is right.  mtpWriter   Nov-07-05 11:43 PM   #75 
  - there are a lot of tribes completely wiped out  barb162   Nov-08-05 10:12 PM   #135 
  - sure, if they reimburse white europeans for the twin gifts  afdip   Nov-07-05 11:05 AM   #2 
  - i think,  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:45 PM   #40 
     - okay, we'll call it even . . . . especially if you consider the caribe's  afdip   Nov-07-05 03:20 PM   #50 
        - we gave out Syphillis?...  petersond   Nov-07-05 03:28 PM   #52 
           - nope, the caribe's gave it to the crew on columbus' 1st voyage  afdip   Nov-07-05 04:00 PM   #53 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-05 07:47 AM   #84 
              - actually, it is more likely that pre-columbus-era bones in europe  afdip   Nov-08-05 08:59 AM   #90 
                 - evidence of syphilis was found in bones in greece.  xchrom   Nov-08-05 06:06 PM   #110 
                    - you're certainly welcome to your opinion, but most epidemiologists  afdip   Nov-09-05 09:25 AM   #146 
                       - check this out...  xchrom   Nov-09-05 09:31 AM   #147 
           - you are one sad poster ...with no knowledge of American history  NVMojo   Nov-07-05 07:10 PM   #67 
              - what? did i miss something?  petersond   Nov-08-05 12:54 AM   #78 
  - No, of course not.  Burning Water   Nov-07-05 11:05 AM   #3 
  - I had a knock down drag out with a repuke last week  liberal N proud   Nov-07-05 11:10 AM   #4 
  - So  Debau2005   Nov-07-05 11:33 AM   #8 
  - If it was a republican government? he would probably think it was  liberal N proud   Nov-07-05 11:45 AM   #13 
  - wait  pitohui   Nov-07-05 12:15 PM   #23 
  - perhaps you ought to read the history of the modern state of israel  niyad   Nov-07-05 12:18 PM   #24 
  - al-Nakba  manic expression   Nov-08-05 05:41 PM   #104 
  - i have to disagree-  MarsThe Cat   Nov-07-05 06:12 PM   #63 
     - :)  petersond   Nov-08-05 01:04 AM   #79 
        - I'd rather owe it to you for the rest of my life...  MarsThe Cat   Nov-08-05 02:38 AM   #81 
           - Yes, blood is hard to wash out...  petersond   Nov-08-05 02:12 PM   #91 
              - those treaties and $5.25 will gat you a cup of coffee at starbucks.  MarsThe Cat   Nov-08-05 05:30 PM   #103 
                 - Excuse me,  manic expression   Nov-08-05 05:53 PM   #106 
                 - the time frame being discussed WAS a "century or two" ago.  MarsThe Cat   Nov-09-05 07:34 AM   #145 
                    - Exactly  manic expression   Nov-09-05 07:58 PM   #173 
                       - and what exactly do you consider to be "the right thing" ?  MarsThe Cat   Nov-09-05 10:24 PM   #174 
                          - The right thing  manic expression   Nov-10-05 09:41 AM   #177 
                             - re: might makes right-  MarsThe Cat   Nov-10-05 01:12 PM   #180 
                                - So them  petersond   Nov-10-05 01:43 PM   #183 
                                   - after you look up the word "prejudge" in that new dictionary-  MarsThe Cat   Nov-10-05 01:58 PM   #184 
                                      - Okay i will type really slow also...:)  petersond   Nov-10-05 02:12 PM   #186 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-08-05 09:16 PM   #128 
                 - Sorry, it was probably me....  petersond   Nov-10-05 10:20 PM   #187 
                 - handouts!?! bwahahahaha!  xchrom   Nov-09-05 09:34 AM   #148 
                    - not by me.  MarsThe Cat   Nov-09-05 05:15 PM   #170 
  - Actgually, there is NO SUCH THING as Native Americans.  Village Idiot   Nov-07-05 11:32 AM   #6 
  - Whites are genetically superior to Native Americans? What? And what does  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-07-05 11:45 AM   #12 
  - Actually, he's talking (badly) about genetic resources: plants, animals...  JHB   Nov-07-05 12:10 PM   #19 
     - Ok.. Thanks for the clarification. That's a rather different point than  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-07-05 12:14 PM   #22 
     - Yeah but there was "intelligent design" behind all that stuff  davepc   Nov-07-05 04:49 PM   #56 
        - no, it's much more darwinistic  northzax   Nov-10-05 01:15 PM   #181 
  - Jared Diamond has a very myopic view of history  400Years   Nov-07-05 12:20 PM   #25 
  - genetically superior?...  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:47 PM   #41 
  - Bad choice of words-  MarsThe Cat   Nov-10-05 08:37 AM   #175 
     - Yeah, i saw that....  petersond   Nov-10-05 10:28 PM   #188 
  - I commend you on choosing a username that describes you SO well  entanglement   Nov-08-05 02:17 AM   #80 
  - What an apt name  manic expression   Nov-08-05 06:00 PM   #109 
  - SUPERIOR?!?!?  VPStoltz   Nov-08-05 11:52 PM   #142 
  - If people have been around for 3 million years  Yupster   Nov-10-05 10:39 PM   #190 
  - they may have been here earlier, but did they take land from anyone?  lady of texas   Nov-11-05 12:38 PM   #194 
  - the land that america sits on -- would otherwise be their  xchrom   Nov-07-05 11:32 AM   #7 
  - Stupid Idea  dbackjon   Nov-07-05 11:35 AM   #9 
  - Very true  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-07-05 11:47 AM   #14 
  - i think first nations people would take a radically different view  xchrom   Nov-07-05 11:59 AM   #15 
  - Not me. I'm Irish.  Touchdown   Nov-07-05 12:32 PM   #28 
  - even the poorest irish had it better than first nations people.  xchrom   Nov-08-05 07:16 AM   #82 
     - My heart bleeds.  Touchdown   Nov-08-05 08:56 AM   #89 
        - the reneged treaties are still there -- for every one to see.  xchrom   Nov-08-05 06:15 PM   #116 
        - I didn't steal anything.  Touchdown   Nov-08-05 09:42 PM   #133 
           - if your going to spout republican/libertarian party line  xchrom   Nov-09-05 09:44 AM   #149 
              - Oh' I get it. Anybody who disputes you is a Repug.  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 10:34 AM   #151 
                 - Okay brother....  petersond   Nov-09-05 02:37 PM   #156 
                 - You're talking to a gay man here.  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 03:02 PM   #159 
                    - a gay man!!! Lets unite our powers!  petersond   Nov-09-05 03:57 PM   #162 
                    - Another little thing....  petersond   Nov-11-05 11:59 AM   #192 
                 - your government created the responsibility  xchrom   Nov-09-05 02:49 PM   #158 
                    - Answer my question.  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 03:09 PM   #160 
                       - In short, its all ready that way....  petersond   Nov-09-05 04:08 PM   #163 
                       - Actually I wanted x-chrom to answer that.  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 04:31 PM   #166 
                          - Oh...sorry...  petersond   Nov-09-05 04:58 PM   #169 
                       - oh please -- nobody is ''long dead'' in this case  xchrom   Nov-09-05 06:32 PM   #172 
                          - Nope. Not an answer.  Touchdown   Nov-10-05 09:35 AM   #176 
                             - you are laughable --  xchrom   Nov-10-05 10:31 AM   #178 
                                - And you're not answering the question.  Touchdown   Nov-10-05 10:35 AM   #179 
        - Some Irish call it Celtic descent, to separate themselves from the Euros!  MADem   Nov-09-05 04:25 PM   #164 
           - Sounds good. I'll use that.  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 04:51 PM   #168 
  - "We didn't obliterate them as a people"...  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:59 PM   #44 
  - I've got news for you...  youthere   Nov-07-05 05:55 PM   #61 
     - Look at the ground you are standing on  manic expression   Nov-08-05 06:09 PM   #112 
  - Yes, very true.  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:33 PM   #37 
  - Wow  manic expression   Nov-08-05 06:07 PM   #111 
  - But then, shouldn't that tribe pay it to the other tribe that they kicked.  Silverhair   Nov-07-05 11:42 AM   #10 
  - To take it further, let's incarcerate all the...  Touchdown   Nov-07-05 12:36 PM   #29 
  - yes, damn them!  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:53 PM   #43 
  - How far do you go back? You go back legally to the UN Charter  Mairead   Nov-07-05 03:02 PM   #45 
  - No. n/t  Walt Starr   Nov-07-05 11:43 AM   #11 
  - They are getting it back  Semi_subversive   Nov-07-05 12:00 PM   #16 
  - Silly idea.  igil   Nov-07-05 12:09 PM   #17 
  - Shall will hold children responsible for the crimes of their parents?  izzybeans   Nov-07-05 12:10 PM   #18 
  - open your mind... we do EXACTLY that  Bluerthanblue   Nov-08-05 11:38 PM   #141 
  - no be a man & go over to the casino & pay your dues in person!  pitohui   Nov-07-05 12:13 PM   #20 
  - The easy answer  H2O Man   Nov-07-05 12:14 PM   #21 
  - There it is.  ismnotwasm   Nov-07-05 07:43 PM   #72 
  - Not necessarily  Loonman   Nov-07-05 12:21 PM   #26 
  - Really stupid, bad idea  slackmaster   Nov-07-05 12:53 PM   #31 
  - I'm in favor of some kind of reparation to Native and African  Cleita   Nov-07-05 01:30 PM   #34 
  - Might i suggest you pay whomever, whatever you think is fare.  TX-RAT   Nov-07-05 01:57 PM   #35 
  - Fair, not fare  RebelOne   Nov-07-05 07:25 PM   #70 
  - "we"? I didn't do anything to anybody.  Wcross   Nov-07-05 02:07 PM   #36 
  - No you didn't do anything...  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:41 PM   #38 
  - damn it...  petersond   Nov-09-05 02:49 PM   #157 
  - You as an individual didn't, but your nation did and  Cleita   Nov-07-05 05:05 PM   #59 
  - My great grandmother was Cherokee.  mtpWriter   Nov-07-05 11:46 PM   #76 
     - Sensitivity has nothing to do with.  Cleita   Nov-08-05 02:51 PM   #93 
     - You keep using terms like  mtpWriter   Nov-08-05 03:24 PM   #94 
        - Yes, but your nation did, and as much as you didn't do this  Cleita   Nov-08-05 03:34 PM   #97 
        - Not clear on this statement...  mtpWriter   Nov-08-05 04:30 PM   #100 
           - True, but most people object to this because  Cleita   Nov-08-05 04:43 PM   #101 
              - This is never going to happen.  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 05:59 PM   #107 
                 - This is not to feel good.  Cleita   Nov-08-05 06:12 PM   #115 
                    - Again, it will never happen, but let me ask....  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 07:30 PM   #121 
                       - On another post I recommended that the money be put  Cleita   Nov-08-05 08:19 PM   #125 
                          - Well, here's a start.  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 09:21 PM   #129 
                             - That's a good website and I hope it prospers.  Cleita   Nov-08-05 09:29 PM   #130 
                                - I see.  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 09:32 PM   #131 
                                   - What I see is that you want people to beg for charity  Cleita   Nov-08-05 11:08 PM   #139 
                                      - Oh, well. That was interesting for a while.  hiaasenrocks   Nov-09-05 12:01 AM   #143 
                                         - Quite honestly I was going to give you an longer and  Cleita   Nov-09-05 12:15 AM   #144 
        - Wow, you know at LEAST 20 whole Indian people . . .  petersond   Nov-08-05 08:58 PM   #127 
     - Accountability  sandnsea   Nov-08-05 05:52 PM   #105 
        - That's kind of my point.  Cleita   Nov-08-05 07:30 PM   #122 
        - I agree completely  sandnsea   Nov-08-05 08:55 PM   #126 
        - Yes, you are right.  petersond   Nov-08-05 10:49 PM   #136 
  - No, not unless  petersond   Nov-07-05 02:43 PM   #39 
  - Course not...  SteppingRazor   Nov-07-05 02:49 PM   #42 
  - It doesn't end it's the stuff the clash of civilizations is made of  HereSince1628   Nov-07-05 03:05 PM   #46 
  - no  TK421   Nov-07-05 03:06 PM   #47 
  - And which Indian tribe would that be  MadHound   Nov-07-05 03:22 PM   #51 
  - Sure, bring him by my office and we'll work it out.  Fescue4u   Nov-07-05 05:00 PM   #57 
  - Should that tribe pay taxes to the tribe before them?  Fight_n_back   Nov-07-05 05:01 PM   #58 
  - No. I didn't steal anything.  MrSlayer   Nov-07-05 05:45 PM   #60 
  - Do you live in America?  manic expression   Nov-08-05 06:20 PM   #117 
     - Is there a map we can check? n/t  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 07:40 PM   #124 
  - of course not- and nothing was "stolen".  MarsThe Cat   Nov-07-05 06:15 PM   #64 
  - well, let's put it this way: if we were talking about paying white people  noiretblu   Nov-07-05 06:39 PM   #65 
  - I will be for this when...  Touchdown   Nov-08-05 10:05 PM   #134 
     - oh please  noiretblu   Nov-09-05 10:52 AM   #152 
        - So this really isn't a principle for you then?  Touchdown   Nov-09-05 11:11 AM   #153 
           - the principle applies in america because i am american  noiretblu   Nov-09-05 04:49 PM   #167 
  - We should ask the surviving native americans what's fair  killbotfactory   Nov-07-05 07:30 PM   #71 
  - Zero. Thanks for asking ;)  mtpWriter   Nov-07-05 11:49 PM   #77 
  - I don't ask for much...  petersond   Nov-08-05 02:38 PM   #92 
  - for those of you who claim your forbears got here late  xchrom   Nov-08-05 07:33 AM   #83 
  - Of course we took land from the Native Americans...  Squatch   Nov-08-05 07:56 AM   #85 
  - and treaties held no part in this ''history"?  xchrom   Nov-08-05 08:05 AM   #86 
  - So exactly who had it first?, and how long ago?  TX-RAT   Nov-08-05 03:32 PM   #96 
  - Salamanca, NY  baldguy   Nov-08-05 08:27 AM   #87 
  - Must be a New York state thing.  ieoeja   Nov-08-05 04:11 PM   #99 
  - Most of them are dead.  porphyrian   Nov-08-05 03:30 PM   #95 
  - I think most of us already do pay taxes  OnionPatch   Nov-08-05 04:05 PM   #98 
  - Absolutely NOT.  Beelzebud   Nov-08-05 04:44 PM   #102 
  - No. It will not (and should not) ever happen. n/t  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 06:00 PM   #108 
  - Yes, and Mexicans should pay tribute to the Maya and Aztecs.  geek tragedy   Nov-08-05 06:11 PM   #113 
  - Apples and oranges, though  jaredh   Nov-09-05 01:07 PM   #154 
     - Okay. How about Spain paying reparations to the Caliphate  geek tragedy   Nov-09-05 01:48 PM   #155 
        - Better comparison  jaredh   Nov-09-05 04:25 PM   #165 
  - I don't know, what tribes did the native americans steal it from?  Jose Diablo   Nov-08-05 06:11 PM   #114 
  - Hell, no!  LoveOHBlues   Nov-08-05 06:33 PM   #118 
  - Corporations should. And the government.  shance   Nov-08-05 06:41 PM   #119 
  - Corporations do give to Indian charities.  hiaasenrocks   Nov-08-05 07:38 PM   #123 
     - Pretty soon, Walmart will be on that list...  petersond   Nov-08-05 11:00 PM   #137 
  - The land question  dcfirefighter   Nov-08-05 09:39 PM   #132 
  - Only if the Romans and Normans pay me.  brokensymmetry   Nov-08-05 11:08 PM   #138 
  - ok, send bill.  kineneb   Nov-10-05 10:40 PM   #191 
  - A few words from a man long gone:  rumpel   Nov-08-05 11:16 PM   #140 
  - Good article, i love it....  petersond   Nov-09-05 03:22 PM   #161 
     - Damn it..  petersond   Nov-09-05 06:16 PM   #171 
  - No  shawn703   Nov-09-05 10:31 AM   #150 
  - basically all land was stolen from somebody  northzax   Nov-10-05 01:16 PM   #182 
  - I was just thinking the same thing. n/t  Fox Mulder   Nov-10-05 02:11 PM   #185 
  - Sure. As long as I am then allowed to stop paying $ to the US gov.  kineneb   Nov-10-05 10:36 PM   #189 
  - Um...no. While I am of Native American descent...  Dob Bole   Nov-11-05 12:33 PM   #193 
 

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