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Fri Oct-10-03 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #16 |
| 19. I'm missing your logic... |
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heart surgery is not a group of people participating in regular rituals and sharing a belief system.
Scientology is. As is AA. Surely you can see the difference?
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| -Twelve step Cults? |
KFC |
Oct-10-03 11:08 PM |
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Keep coming back! |
Rollins |
Oct-10-03 11:14 PM |
#1 |
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Oh, bullshit |
Eloriel |
Oct-10-03 11:16 PM |
#2 |
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No... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:24 PM |
#4 |
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Bill Wilson was never the "Leader" of AA... |
stlsaxman |
Oct-11-03 09:44 AM |
#53 |
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Really? |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:05 AM |
#55 |
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See post #58 n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 10:22 AM |
#59 |
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just alot of cigarette |
rchsod |
Oct-10-03 11:25 PM |
#5 |
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Funny, I never felt threatened. Basic focus is to be honest with |
SharonAnn |
Oct-10-03 11:22 PM |
#3 |
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It looks like a crock |
xJlM |
Oct-11-03 09:40 AM |
#52 |
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Well this is one of those issues... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:25 PM |
#6 |
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Looking for loophles |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:32 PM |
#9 |
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Actually.... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:41 PM |
#13 |
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You can and do drink/use? |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:49 PM |
#16 |
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I'm missing your logic... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:51 PM |
#19 |
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" group of people participating in rituals and sharing a belief system" |
qwertyMike |
Oct-11-03 12:05 AM |
#26 |
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well.... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 12:09 AM |
#28 |
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sounds like the catholic church....I am a recovering catholic! |
Gin |
Oct-11-03 09:27 AM |
#48 |
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But that is different |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-11-03 12:13 PM |
#71 |
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who are these |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 12:40 PM |
#76 |
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Problems with the 3rd step? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 09:32 AM |
#50 |
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Atheists in AA |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 02:02 PM |
#91 |
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Name some cults |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:51 PM |
#18 |
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well.... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:54 PM |
#20 |
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Big Book Nazis |
qwertyMike |
Oct-11-03 12:02 AM |
#25 |
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Dookus, I think you're missing something very important |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 09:28 AM |
#49 |
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Interesting, my cult interest also started with Scientology |
KFC |
Oct-10-03 11:35 PM |
#10 |
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The ingenious thing about AA is they get people who are |
Clark Can WIN |
Oct-11-03 12:01 AM |
#23 |
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LOL... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 12:06 AM |
#27 |
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Why? |
sandnsea |
Oct-11-03 02:33 AM |
#36 |
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Easy. |
Clark Can WIN |
Oct-11-03 02:44 AM |
#37 |
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Not much of a response |
sandnsea |
Oct-11-03 03:15 AM |
#40 |
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They also don't recruit |
Eloriel |
Oct-11-03 12:21 PM |
#72 |
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not exactly.... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 01:04 PM |
#83 |
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The Recovery Industry |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 02:09 PM |
#93 |
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Baloney... |
Kucinich04 |
Oct-11-03 06:52 PM |
#166 |
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Incredulity |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 08:25 PM |
#181 |
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Chances of a Spontaneous Remission |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 10:25 PM |
#189 |
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again... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 10:27 PM |
#190 |
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Not Even Close |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 11:11 PM |
#195 |
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AA versus Scientology |
Liberal Classic |
Oct-11-03 01:35 AM |
#35 |
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AA does not use peer pressure to |
Clark Can WIN |
Oct-11-03 02:47 AM |
#38 |
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No, they don't |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 09:39 AM |
#51 |
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Nope |
qwertyMike |
Oct-11-03 11:06 AM |
#68 |
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So I've heard this stuff about AA - but usually... |
Selwynn |
Oct-10-03 11:25 PM |
#7 |
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Again... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:28 PM |
#8 |
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I've watched peole who quit on their own. |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:37 PM |
#12 |
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Study please |
sandnsea |
Oct-11-03 03:20 AM |
#41 |
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the burden of proof |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 02:13 PM |
#95 |
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Hard to say in general - It was effective for me so I'm biased |
SharonAnn |
Oct-11-03 08:13 PM |
#177 |
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AA's Success Rate |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 02:20 PM |
#100 |
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As my sponsor said to me: "Yes AA is about brain washing, |
roughsatori |
Oct-10-03 11:36 PM |
#11 |
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secular groups? |
GinaMaria |
Oct-11-03 11:00 AM |
#67 |
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one is SOS |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 01:13 PM |
#84 |
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you might try putting the blame |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 02:31 PM |
#106 |
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you go with your experience |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 02:54 PM |
#111 |
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Intellectually Offensive Nonsense |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:43 PM |
#129 |
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Goose Stepping |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 10:20 PM |
#187 |
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Thanks for answering my question |
GinaMaria |
Oct-12-03 02:15 PM |
#211 |
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Rational Recovery - Oxymoron |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:41 PM |
#14 |
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And to me... |
Dookus |
Oct-10-03 11:49 PM |
#17 |
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Nothing is universally helpful |
Mikimouse |
Oct-10-03 11:57 PM |
#21 |
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No argument |
qwertyMike |
Oct-10-03 11:58 PM |
#22 |
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And best of luck to you, too... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 12:01 AM |
#24 |
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Ahhhhh, now I get it -- re "dry drunk" |
Eloriel |
Oct-11-03 12:51 PM |
#78 |
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Jargon, dookus |
Eloriel |
Oct-11-03 12:38 PM |
#75 |
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Low Quality Sobriety |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:20 PM |
#122 |
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huh? |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 03:22 PM |
#123 |
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Dry Drunk |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:47 PM |
#132 |
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I didn't post the original claim... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 03:52 PM |
#134 |
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Eleven Years? |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 04:14 PM |
#139 |
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I believe... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:18 PM |
#141 |
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excuse me for butting in |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 04:36 PM |
#148 |
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Thank you iverglas... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:40 PM |
#150 |
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AA Turnoffs |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:50 PM |
#133 |
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Again... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 03:56 PM |
#135 |
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Personal Experiences |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 04:22 PM |
#143 |
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sigh.... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:26 PM |
#145 |
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No, addiction is not irrational... |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:24 AM |
#60 |
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AA's Success Rate |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 01:58 PM |
#90 |
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I agree AA is a cult |
gate of the sun |
Oct-10-03 11:45 PM |
#15 |
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You made some good points. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 12:45 AM |
#31 |
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She'll get there |
sandnsea |
Oct-11-03 12:59 AM |
#33 |
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oh please |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 01:00 AM |
#34 |
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Diabetics Don't Have Slogans |
REP |
Oct-11-03 02:49 AM |
#39 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-11-03 09:14 AM |
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No feeling of superiority evident here... |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 02:10 PM |
#94 |
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roll your eyes all you want |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 02:21 PM |
#101 |
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Dry Drunk |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:03 PM |
#112 |
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All AA arguments are based on certain premises |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 06:29 PM |
#160 |
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Informed Opinion |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 11:03 PM |
#194 |
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you talk from a "limited viewpoint" |
gate of the sun |
Oct-12-03 12:11 AM |
#201 |
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I see |
maxanne |
Oct-12-03 12:31 AM |
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it's not a cult...people transfer one dependance to another....the drug of |
Gin |
Oct-11-03 09:25 AM |
#47 |
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The family should go to Al-Anon for themselves |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 09:49 AM |
#54 |
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I have lots of experience with A.A. |
liberalnproud |
Oct-11-03 12:10 AM |
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Ah, so much to respond to here... |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:17 AM |
#56 |
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government-mandated |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 01:45 PM |
#87 |
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gee and you had the nerve to get mad when I said you didn't know what you |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:06 PM |
#114 |
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if I could figure out what you were talking about |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 03:15 PM |
#120 |
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Having problems reading are we |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:39 PM |
#126 |
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Godel's Theorem |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 03:28 PM |
#125 |
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Hey, this is my opinion. I am entitled to one. |
liberalnproud |
Oct-11-03 05:46 PM |
#152 |
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KFC |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 12:32 AM |
#30 |
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{{{{Maxanne}}}}} |
Eloriel |
Oct-11-03 12:59 PM |
#79 |
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What hypocrisy |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 08:07 PM |
#175 |
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why so nasty |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 10:07 PM |
#182 |
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Underlying Hostility |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 10:37 PM |
#193 |
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Take what you like, leave the rest |
sandnsea |
Oct-11-03 12:50 AM |
#32 |
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What about Atheists? |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-11-03 03:48 AM |
#42 |
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just fine, thanks |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 09:18 AM |
#45 |
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No, it IS a religious group. |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:20 AM |
#57 |
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I don't own the word |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 11:32 AM |
#70 |
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Yet... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 01:02 PM |
#82 |
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I don't pray to doorstops |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 01:46 PM |
#88 |
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You don't have to "buy" the God shit if that doesn't suit you... |
stlsaxman |
Oct-11-03 10:40 AM |
#66 |
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As long as you are willing to be dishonest with yourself |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 02:19 PM |
#99 |
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horse hockey |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 02:22 PM |
#102 |
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if that ain't typical |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 03:27 PM |
#124 |
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why don't you mind your own business |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 06:43 PM |
#164 |
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Who made you thread nanny? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 07:17 PM |
#169 |
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thanks so much |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 07:21 PM |
#170 |
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'mind your own business' is a point of view? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 07:28 PM |
#171 |
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I say it again |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 10:09 PM |
#183 |
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ah... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 10:13 PM |
#185 |
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ah, |
maxanne |
Oct-12-03 12:18 AM |
#203 |
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the damned funny thing is |
iverglas |
Oct-12-03 12:20 PM |
#206 |
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If you're going to quote me, iverglas |
maxanne |
Oct-12-03 03:33 PM |
#215 |
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that is crapola |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 02:26 PM |
#104 |
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Define it however you want, I don't believe in a higher power |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 03:40 PM |
#127 |
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and I know people in the program |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:45 PM |
#131 |
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'What ever gets you through the night - it's alright' |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 05:33 PM |
#151 |
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Why does it matter to you, as long as it works? |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 06:01 PM |
#154 |
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That's exactly what I said. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 06:17 PM |
#157 |
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Well, you did say that, but also: |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 06:30 PM |
#161 |
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Why? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-11-03 06:56 PM |
#168 |
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“Belly full of booze and a head full of AA”… |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 09:01 AM |
#43 |
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As someone who has been through Al-Anon |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 09:21 AM |
#46 |
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While I'm glad you've left him... |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:34 AM |
#63 |
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Mother Teresa? Oh please... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-11-03 03:14 PM |
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LOL. Cult??? One of my favorite AA Tapes is "Bill tells AA"... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 10:21 AM |
#58 |
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IOW, the defense is the only reason AA isn't a cult... |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:27 AM |
#61 |
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It's an organization that learned from its early mistakes... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 10:32 AM |
#62 |
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Hey, if it works for you GOOD. It HASN'T worked for many others, though. |
Kanzeon |
Oct-11-03 10:36 AM |
#64 |
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There are lots of people in AA I can do without. There are also.. |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 10:40 AM |
#65 |
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sure there do |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 11:19 AM |
#69 |
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"A coffee pot and a resentment"... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 12:24 PM |
#73 |
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the founder |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 01:00 PM |
#81 |
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Here's an online text version of the tape... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 12:37 PM |
#74 |
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Thank you, Junkdrawer.... a great resource! |
stlsaxman |
Oct-11-03 01:00 PM |
#80 |
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Since I came late to the party |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 12:43 PM |
#77 |
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If Bill Wilson Were Alive Today |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 01:40 PM |
#86 |
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If you've never read this, sit down and take a few minutes... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 01:53 PM |
#89 |
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About A.A, ... direct from the old drunks mouths- |
stlsaxman |
Oct-11-03 01:16 PM |
#85 |
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proof by blatant assertion? |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 02:05 PM |
#92 |
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You engaged in some very selective editting |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 02:17 PM |
#98 |
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and you might want |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 02:29 PM |
#105 |
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The sucess rate of AA |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 02:40 PM |
#109 |
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That... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 03:05 PM |
#113 |
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It is hard to research for obvious reasons |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:11 PM |
#116 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-11-03 03:14 PM |
#118 |
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well of course... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 03:14 PM |
#119 |
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Yes they woould |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:42 PM |
#128 |
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but why |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 03:18 PM |
#121 |
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AA doesn't take money nor make claims |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:44 PM |
#130 |
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AA Is Not A Treatment |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 02:33 PM |
#107 |
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what it is and isn't |
iverglas |
Oct-11-03 03:07 PM |
#115 |
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again wrong as wrong can be |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 03:14 PM |
#117 |
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No Cure |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 04:12 PM |
#137 |
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I need a drink, a smoke |
Liberal_Guerilla |
Oct-11-03 02:16 PM |
#96 |
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Then by all means- indulge and enjoy! |
stlsaxman |
Oct-11-03 06:39 PM |
#163 |
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Well, this thread was like a moth to a "flame" for me |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 02:16 PM |
#97 |
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These meetings are very different |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 02:23 PM |
#103 |
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Right |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 02:36 PM |
#108 |
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AA saved my life. |
Raenelle |
Oct-11-03 02:49 PM |
#110 |
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I have to wonder about people who attack NA or AA... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 04:08 PM |
#136 |
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I think |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:14 PM |
#138 |
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The Recovery Industry |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 04:16 PM |
#140 |
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AA is self supporting through its own contributions... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 04:20 PM |
#142 |
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yes... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:24 PM |
#144 |
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From what I understand, AA's "influence" comes from the fact that... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 04:33 PM |
#146 |
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Dismal Success Rate |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 04:35 PM |
#147 |
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well.... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 04:37 PM |
#149 |
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it is hardly |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 06:53 PM |
#167 |
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Dishonest? |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 08:21 PM |
#178 |
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The God Stuff |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 10:12 PM |
#184 |
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that is just not true |
dsc |
Oct-11-03 07:50 PM |
#173 |
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again |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 06:47 PM |
#165 |
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I didn't blame AA for that.... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 08:23 PM |
#180 |
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I think you've |
maxanne |
Oct-11-03 10:15 PM |
#186 |
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Maxanne, Read post #141 |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 10:21 PM |
#188 |
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"poor dookus"? |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 10:30 PM |
#191 |
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No, sorry maxanne... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 10:34 PM |
#192 |
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thank you |
maxanne |
Oct-12-03 12:16 AM |
#202 |
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This is utter bullshit... |
Kucinich04 |
Oct-11-03 05:56 PM |
#153 |
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Agreed. And if you really want to see people trying to make money... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 06:01 PM |
#155 |
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Gawd, I remember going to that RR site |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 06:06 PM |
#156 |
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First... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 06:20 PM |
#158 |
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Oh, but the initial post cites the RR website... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 06:23 PM |
#159 |
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You should read some of the other posts above for some context |
eileen_d |
Oct-11-03 06:36 PM |
#162 |
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Beer Ain't Drinkin |
HalfManHalfBiscuit |
Oct-11-03 07:43 PM |
#172 |
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You're Rush, aren't you... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 07:55 PM |
#174 |
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Hot Damn - You nailed me! |
HalfManHalfBiscuit |
Oct-11-03 08:08 PM |
#176 |
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One of the most assinine stories in the 3rd Edition Big Book... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-11-03 08:23 PM |
#179 |
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hah! hah! hah! .... 12 step, i'm addicted! let me first get my swig |
hedgetrimmer |
Oct-11-03 11:18 PM |
#196 |
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thanks all... |
Dookus |
Oct-11-03 11:22 PM |
#197 |
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Problem With Drinking? |
RoonShark |
Oct-11-03 11:46 PM |
#198 |
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A guy in AA boiled the questionnaire down to 2 questions |
Raenelle |
Oct-11-03 11:56 PM |
#199 |
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Oh, the dry drunk is quite real |
forradalom |
Oct-12-03 12:07 AM |
#200 |
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Is Dubya a "Dry Drunk?" |
Virginian |
Oct-12-03 12:39 AM |
#205 |
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He's dry or wet, but not in recovery, IMO |
Raenelle |
Oct-12-03 02:05 PM |
#210 |
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A question for our AA critics... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-12-03 12:52 PM |
#207 |
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you just be as offensively dismissive and trivializing as you like |
iverglas |
Oct-12-03 02:00 PM |
#209 |
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My. All that to say "AA is exploiting drunks"... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-12-03 02:18 PM |
#212 |
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and why am I not surprised ... |
iverglas |
Oct-12-03 02:31 PM |
#213 |
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Why do I have a vision of a broken-down store front... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-12-03 02:45 PM |
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