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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:16 PM
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21. Correct, however
Look at this way.. I'm not walking into the door of OB/BYN's office that offers the procedure yet can deny you the procedure. I'd walk into a clinic I know performs the procedure. I'm NOT being blind sided. And this is regards to a dose of birth control pills that prevent an egg and swimmy tadpole from meeting and implanting. It's your period on steroids. Not a medical procedure that is much more traumatic and personal.

We are talking about a drug store that dispenses drugs of all varieties. How is fair for me to be refused birth control.. because someone decides they have a moral objection and sits their and tells me to my face? Isn't that religious discrimination not protection? When me the buyer, is refused a service that is LEGAL prescription given to me by my doctor because of moral objection to a performance of a drug?
If that's case don't allow Scientologist to be pharmacist, they'll refuse to fill all antidepressants and it will be morally acceptable?
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  -Target's response to my letter graywarrior  Oct-24-05 12:36 PM   #0 
  - hope this is true...  nickinSTL   Oct-24-05 12:37 PM   #1 
  - A timely and respectful manner?  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 12:38 PM   #2 
  - Is this part really true?  napi21   Oct-24-05 12:41 PM   #3 
  - Title VII has always protected religion.  Xithras   Oct-24-05 01:45 PM   #40 
     - This occurs to me...  jmowreader   Oct-24-05 04:12 PM   #63 
        - Uhh no  Sgent   Oct-24-05 05:12 PM   #83 
  - I don't see how filling a prescription for contraceptives can violate  wildeyed   Oct-24-05 12:43 PM   #4 
  - Excellent point! Your analogy clarifies the real issues very well! (nt)  TwoSparkles   Oct-24-05 12:46 PM   #6 
  - the thinking goes something like this  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:00 PM   #11 
  - Emergency contraception is not the same as an abortion  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 01:05 PM   #13 
  - emergency contraception (to my knowledge)  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:08 PM   #15 
     - Yes, and that is not the same as an abortion  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 01:11 PM   #18 
     - to someone who believes that life begins at conception it is  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:13 PM   #19 
        - If they're that ignorant about science and medicine  MountainLaurel   Oct-24-05 01:23 PM   #28 
        - when does life begin? aye? can you definitively answer that question?  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:26 PM   #31 
           - Difference: WE don't force OUR morals on THEM.  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:13 PM   #86 
              - forcing them to provide the means for a termination  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-25-05 04:13 AM   #140 
                 - bullshit. No one is forcing them to *use* the pill and no one is  gkhouston   Oct-25-05 11:35 AM   #141 
        - They are entitled to hold their beliefs  JerseygirlCT   Oct-24-05 02:27 PM   #46 
        - Or Target shouldn't carry the product.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 02:55 PM   #51 
           - Not really  JerseygirlCT   Oct-24-05 08:02 PM   #139 
        - So do you support pharmacists who do not want to give bcp's  electron_blue   Oct-24-05 03:27 PM   #57 
     - Again.. not abortion  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 01:19 PM   #24 
        - not what I am saying at all...  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:21 PM   #26 
        - But does it make it right  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 01:30 PM   #34 
        - Fertilized eggs fail to implant all the time  JerseygirlCT   Oct-24-05 02:30 PM   #47 
        - I know a pharmacist right now who won't hand out condoms.  Xithras   Oct-24-05 01:55 PM   #41 
           - by giving someone heart meds  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 02:06 PM   #42 
              - I'm not commenting on how valid or invalid his religious beliefs may be.  Xithras   Oct-24-05 02:22 PM   #45 
  - Correct, however  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 01:16 PM   #21 
  - I can agree on those points...the policy should be made clear up front  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:19 PM   #25 
     - It's a legal medical prescription. If a pharmacist "can't" fill it...  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 01:24 PM   #29 
        - so, an OB/GYN should stop their profession if they don't wish  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:26 PM   #32 
           - If they won't perform a legal medical procedure why would they want to  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 01:30 PM   #35 
           - because they might love side of that profession  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:33 PM   #36 
              - sorry...it doesn't work that way  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 01:34 PM   #37 
                 - actually it can work that way  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-24-05 01:36 PM   #38 
           - OB/GYN's who refuse  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 01:39 PM   #39 
  - The question is  DefenseLawyer   Oct-24-05 03:23 PM   #56 
     - ahh, but your analogy breaksdown  northzax   Oct-24-05 05:13 PM   #84 
        - There's the question really.  DefenseLawyer   Oct-24-05 05:54 PM   #126 
           - I've already stated that it is the responsibility of the pharmacy  northzax   Oct-24-05 06:08 PM   #133 
              - The bottom line is  DefenseLawyer   Oct-24-05 06:26 PM   #136 
                 - I agree  gkhouston   Oct-25-05 11:38 AM   #142 
  - and nobody is forcing him to be a pharmacist  Horse with no Name   Oct-24-05 01:08 PM   #14 
  - So a hindu or jain checker could refuse to ring up a leather belt?  SnowGoose   Oct-24-05 01:18 PM   #23 
  - Yup, that's corrrect.... this letter is BULL  LostinVA   Oct-24-05 01:21 PM   #27 
  - No, they couldn't  Xithras   Oct-24-05 02:09 PM   #44 
     - so why should a pharmacist consider  gkhouston   Oct-24-05 03:07 PM   #53 
     - That's an interesting question. Should the person stocking shelves....  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 05:59 PM   #132 
     - Missin' the point friend, and I think you're mistaken to boot.  SnowGoose   Oct-24-05 04:48 PM   #71 
     - dupe  SnowGoose   Oct-24-05 04:50 PM   #73 
     - I think you are being a little bit too literal.  wildeyed   Oct-24-05 05:37 PM   #115 
  - or could a mormon work at Dunkin Dognuts?... coffee is forbidden..  Bluerthanblue   Oct-24-05 07:10 PM   #138 
  - Well, at least Ms Hanson uses more than one form letter.  enlightenment   Oct-24-05 12:45 PM   #5 
  - I got the second letter  DU9598   Oct-24-05 12:48 PM   #7 
  - Ahha -- that explains it. I just read mine, sighed, and  enlightenment   Oct-24-05 01:10 PM   #17 
  - MMM, that letter is fudgy.  MostlyLurks   Oct-24-05 01:09 PM   #16 
     - Planned Parenthood says that Target has refused  murielm99   Oct-24-05 02:54 PM   #50 
  - Weasel words. She isn't saying that they will fill the prescription at all  Nickster   Oct-24-05 12:52 PM   #8 
  - by that wording  insane_cratic_gal   Oct-24-05 01:02 PM   #12 
  - She doesn't go on to say HOW the reports are  olafvikingr   Oct-24-05 12:53 PM   #9 
  - Forward her email to PP....  CatBoreal   Oct-24-05 12:57 PM   #10 
  - I'd like to know exactly. . .  kevinbgoode   Oct-24-05 01:16 PM   #20 
  - Target (or any store)  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 01:17 PM   #22 
  - They also don't have the "right" to my tax dollar which helps to subsidize  Nickster   Oct-24-05 01:25 PM   #30 
     - Didn't say they do.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 01:27 PM   #33 
        - I don't disagree with you necessarily, but when my tax money goes to  Nickster   Oct-24-05 02:06 PM   #43 
        - This reminds me of a local case in which  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 02:52 PM   #49 
        - Pharmacies are state licensed  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:07 PM   #78 
  - It's this part of the letter that concerns me  graywarrior   Oct-24-05 02:32 PM   #48 
  - And I wonder... is the prescription filled before or after the "guest"...  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 03:33 PM   #59 
  - What bothers me is  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:09 PM   #81 
  - Just so I'm clear on this...  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 02:59 PM   #52 
  - That's a different letter from the one I got  mzteris   Oct-24-05 03:08 PM   #54 
  - What would be the problem with  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 03:30 PM   #58 
     - Some towns only have one pharmacy  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 03:57 PM   #62 
     - So the customer in this case was  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 04:12 PM   #64 
        - But that's a moot point. Taget carries the product.  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 04:17 PM   #66 
           - I am saying that Target (or any store)  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 04:23 PM   #67 
              - No, this is about whittling away the rights of a woman to have...  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 04:36 PM   #68 
                 - So Target is out to remove your  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 04:43 PM   #69 
                    - since your profile is turned off I can only guess but...  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 04:46 PM   #70 
                       - LOL. Here we go.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 04:50 PM   #72 
                          - attack your motive? really?  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 05:01 PM   #74 
                          - I didn't say you did.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:05 PM   #75 
                             - please read this  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 05:21 PM   #96 
                                - Okay, I read it.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:25 PM   #99 
                                   - Don't you think that some items will be unavailable  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:29 PM   #106 
                                   - I definitely agree with you.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:34 PM   #112 
                                      - We can require the store to provide it  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:47 PM   #123 
                                         - I guess that would depend on the state.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:50 PM   #124 
                                            - And that is the way it must be approached  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:55 PM   #128 
                                            - Okay so we agree.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:57 PM   #130 
                                   - You are arguing a point that isn't relevant  Beaverhausen   Oct-24-05 05:33 PM   #111 
                                      - Again....  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:39 PM   #116 
                          - Not your motive  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:09 PM   #80 
                             - Oh, I see.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:13 PM   #85 
                                - Target -  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:27 PM   #103 
                                   - Target may be male owned.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:30 PM   #107 
                                      - You're not discussing this issue  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:33 PM   #110 
                                         - I see.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:37 PM   #114 
                                            - Not to me you haven't -  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:39 PM   #117 
                                               - This isn't about the consumer.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:43 PM   #120 
     - Why should they have to?  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:06 PM   #76 
        - That's the overlooked issue, IMO.  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 05:09 PM   #79 
        - Again, that's why I wanted to  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:09 PM   #82 
           - But this is not about one customer, ultimately.  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 05:14 PM   #87 
           - Wait a minute.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:15 PM   #90 
              - Uh, yeah. That must be it.  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 05:28 PM   #105 
                 - Well, you tell me.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:44 PM   #122 
                    - As I 've already said, this is a wider societal issue.  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 05:53 PM   # 
                       - There could be.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:55 PM   #127 
                          - Well, I think that solution still leaves room for women to be victimized.  Zenlitened   Oct-24-05 06:40 PM   #137 
           - The woman went to a state licensed pharmacy  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:14 PM   #88 
           - Target is a private company.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:17 PM   #92 
           - It doesn't matter! They have a legal prescription, they are entitled to  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:18 PM   #93 
           - A lawyer does have that right.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:20 PM   #94 
           - Women have a right to health care  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:23 PM   #97 
           - Correct.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:27 PM   #102 
           - Right, but the point is, it would be incredibly STUPID of me  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:23 PM   # 
           - Defense attorneys turn down work all the time.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:28 PM   #104 
              - What if I was a defense attorney and, on moral principles,  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:33 PM   #109 
                 - That analogy would be accurate  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:40 PM   #118 
                    - The difference is, lawyers are more accessible than pharmacies can be.  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:43 PM   #121 
                       - You and I agree more than we disagree.  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:53 PM   #125 
                          - Yep. I agree completely. Target cannot advertise that  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:55 PM   #129 
                             - Agreed. That's pretty much all I'm saying. n/t  hiaasenrocks   Oct-24-05 05:58 PM   #131 
           - Right, but the point is, it would be incredibly STUPID of me  NYC Liberal   Oct-24-05 05:23 PM   #98 
           - Not to mention they are practicing medicine without a license.  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:20 PM   #95 
           - Defense lawyers refuse clients all the time  dsc   Oct-24-05 06:15 PM   #134 
           - the "whole story"  mzteris   Oct-24-05 05:26 PM   #101 
  - That's a different letter from the one I got  mzteris   Oct-24-05 03:08 PM   #55 
  - Damn! I thought you were talking about target letters!!! n/t  BlueStateBlue   Oct-24-05 03:34 PM   #60 
  - I thought the thread about target letters was about Target  graywarrior   Oct-24-05 03:39 PM   #61 
  - As a vegetarian, can I work at McDonalds and refuse to serve burgers?  skipos   Oct-24-05 04:15 PM   #65 
  - sure, you can work the fry machine.  northzax   Oct-24-05 05:14 PM   #89 
     - Kick ass!!! nt  skipos   Oct-24-05 05:41 PM   #119 
  - ! (nt)  bigwillq   Oct-24-05 05:06 PM   #77 
  - If you want a better answer  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:17 PM   #91 
  - That's a great idea.  graywarrior   Oct-24-05 05:25 PM   #100 
     - I don't  yankeedem   Oct-24-05 05:32 PM   #108 
        - Yes, as a matter of fact, it is.  graywarrior   Oct-24-05 05:35 PM   #113 
  - So basically their policy hasn't changed  jmm   Oct-24-05 06:16 PM   #135 
 

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