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Tue Oct-11-05 09:39 AM
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i read that there were a couple of cases believed to be h-h. start there, i would think.
just saying they have been watching this virus for years. it seems to me it would have behooved them to vaccinate against the form that is out there. do they know if the mutation occurs in the birds or the people? hmm. interesting subject.
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| -How much of this bird flu stuff is hype and panic, and what is realistic? |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 06:46 AM |
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do you have access to c-span? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-11-05 06:58 AM |
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The timing is suspicious |
niceypoo |
Oct-11-05 07:52 AM |
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The timing began with the UN over a year ago. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:55 AM |
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The issue of Posse Comitatus is being overlooked. |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 08:43 AM |
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Yes, it is a big deal. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:55 AM |
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No expert here. But it is very DANGEROUS! |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 07:00 AM |
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More than you want to know, a bit dated, but IMO good background |
HereSince1628 |
Oct-11-05 07:11 AM |
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I had to get some series nerve pills for my finches. |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-11-05 07:11 AM |
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Is that why 80 Nations are having a conference about this? |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:37 AM |
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"Take off the tinfoil hat. It is squeezing your brain." |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-11-05 08:26 AM |
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35,000 people die every year from the NORMAL flu in the US |
jsamuel |
Oct-11-05 07:20 AM |
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You are ignoring the percentages. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:27 AM |
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But, conceivably, it could mutate more than once after |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 07:36 AM |
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Yes. The 1918 flu did, but that was AFTER it killed 675,000 Americans |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:39 AM |
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Shame antibiotics weren't available in 1918 like they were in 1957 and 1969 |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 08:13 AM |
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Have you consider that they are using antibiotics now in Asia? |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:17 AM |
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High rate? 60 people have died from this flu since it was identified... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 08:42 AM |
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Actually, that is two year's time, and most of those were this year. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:52 AM |
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Oh that is much worse. 30 people a year die from the bird flu |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:03 AM |
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Viruses do mutate. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:14 AM |
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How do you know that... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:28 AM |
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Restating that. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:05 PM |
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"greatly reduce humanities numbers " |
leeroysphits |
Oct-11-05 01:13 PM |
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A natural disaster is NOT conspiracy thinking. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 01:28 PM |
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I'm sorry but your doom and gloom prognostication |
leeroysphits |
Oct-11-05 05:48 PM |
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it's not a linear thing. 60 people in 2 years doesn't sound like |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:36 PM |
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Where are the stats on secondary infections? |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:06 AM |
#47 |
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Here is a passage from the book Bush wants you to read |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:25 AM |
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Where are the STATISTICS? |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:43 AM |
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No the word MOST is not vague at all as in... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:23 AM |
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I've already tried Google. |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 10:44 AM |
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My elderly father has been hospitalized every year for pnemonia... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:57 AM |
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Hospital can handle your dad, but handle a million patients? Nope. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Oct-13-05 06:42 AM |
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Nope. And I'm wondering how many of the "most" in 1918 |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:40 PM |
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The theory of why |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 03:06 PM |
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But the shift to the younger population initially was seen in the ... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 04:34 PM |
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I guess it is possible |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 05:23 PM |
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It is at the bottom of the second information panel when you scroll down |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 06:00 PM |
#104 |
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Very informative site. Bookmarked. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:21 PM |
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I think I see the line you are talking about |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 08:51 PM |
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I have been wondering if pneumonia can trigger a cytokine storm? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:18 PM |
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I just asked hubby |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:23 PM |
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Interesting. Thank you and your husband very much n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:25 PM |
#113 |
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Here is a good |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:39 PM |
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I think a British company is working on a cure for this? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:47 PM |
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I found a line that might |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:58 PM |
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Good Site. Bookmarked. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:14 PM |
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There are none. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 11:50 AM |
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Thanks for the information. |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 03:43 PM |
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antibiotics don't work against viruses though, right? |
helderheid |
Oct-11-05 03:46 PM |
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Correct on both counts. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:16 PM |
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No one ever said they did |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 04:44 PM |
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i wasn't ignoring anything, I was just putting it in perspective |
jsamuel |
Oct-11-05 08:37 AM |
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But it is a false perspective. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:47 AM |
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"If it mutates" |
bloom |
Oct-11-05 10:33 AM |
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Very likely. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 11:57 AM |
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The basic facts about Avian Flu. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:20 AM |
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Couple of points... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:47 PM |
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Evolution is blind, unable to see the end result. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:09 PM |
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Yes it is possible for it to retain its lethality... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:26 PM |
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That is why I am so concerned. |
Silverhair |
Oct-12-05 06:23 AM |
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Pandemics aren't a question of IF |
mzteris |
Oct-11-05 07:30 AM |
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I always defer to doctors that I know personally and respect. For example |
radwriter0555 |
Oct-11-05 07:31 AM |
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Bush and the media are NOT the source of the information. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:49 AM |
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Your opinion is understandable...but it is also very dangerous... |
TwoSparkles |
Oct-11-05 12:19 PM |
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I find that odd |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 03:11 PM |
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I've been worried sick about this for several months now |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:45 PM |
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It's just hard to know what to believe now. |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 07:43 AM |
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Reliable information is EASY to come by. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:54 AM |
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Well, then let's all shoot ourselves |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:17 AM |
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Yeah, Why upgrade the leeves? The chance of a major hurricane |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:23 AM |
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Did you even read my post past the subject line? |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:32 AM |
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Great source of "specialist" information here |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:19 AM |
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a distinct threat, but not a likely one |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:33 AM |
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And exactly how would that have helped us with previous lies? |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 08:34 AM |
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John M Barry's book: "The Great Influenza" was Bush's reading for |
KoKo01 |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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Because he read it does NOT make the book false or propaganda. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:10 AM |
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Even the "truth" can be used for purposes that aren't always honorable |
KoKo01 |
Oct-11-05 12:19 PM |
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True. My concern is with the people who want to ignore it completely. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:23 PM |
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In this case, tinfoil is critical thinking! |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Oct-11-05 12:35 PM |
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Simple. I haven't paid any attention to what W says. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:51 PM |
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I am worried |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 07:55 AM |
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I have a feeling and maybe that is all it is that the whole |
DemonFighterLives |
Oct-11-05 08:20 AM |
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responsibility for meat inspection |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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Yikes |
DemonFighterLives |
Oct-11-05 08:57 AM |
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my BIL is in the biz |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 09:31 AM |
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Meat today... ewwww.... |
crispini |
Oct-11-05 08:59 AM |
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the worst part is- |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 11:07 AM |
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TDP would solve a LOT of problems, even help on Global Warming. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:18 PM |
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The WHO is worried and so am I |
Mandate My Ass |
Oct-11-05 08:29 AM |
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The WHO is awfully concerned about obesity too. And for good reason |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 11:08 AM |
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No expert here. |
mutley_r_us |
Oct-11-05 08:37 AM |
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Fortress Against Flu - NY Times 10/11/05 |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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it is being hyped now, it was hushed up earlier, it smells to me. |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 08:45 AM |
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Vaccine CAN'T be made yet. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:59 AM |
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but it has |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 09:39 AM |
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doesn't work that way.... |
mike_c |
Oct-11-05 12:09 PM |
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Those have been close contact H-H cases. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:20 PM |
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Silverhair, you sound like a very knowledgeable person |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 11:53 AM |
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Actually, I am just a self educated layman in this field. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:18 PM |
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Some of the appends here are a warning |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:49 AM |
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You got it right on that !! NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:02 AM |
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They say: "but you just need to wash your hands!" |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:13 AM |
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Amen to that! eom |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:06 PM |
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Here's the secret to knowing more about the flu then Bushco does |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 10:21 AM |
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Check out the Flu Wiki |
sarahlee |
Oct-11-05 10:27 AM |
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i have some contacts in the poultry industry |
pitohui |
Oct-11-05 10:46 AM |
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H5N1 is not in the USA, even in poultry. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:53 PM |
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Silverhair, I really commend your efforts. |
Kailassa |
Oct-11-05 03:23 PM |
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Excellent analysis. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 03:37 PM |
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I think the last comment you make is a legitimate one. |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 04:08 PM |
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But it was first detected under Clinton. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:15 PM |
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Bird flu has poultry workers concerned |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:16 PM |
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Right now, it's not that dangerous |
warrens |
Oct-11-05 12:28 PM |
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SARs was a bust (thank goodness) and I'm betting the boid flu |
soothsayer |
Oct-11-05 01:39 PM |
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I hope it is a bust. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 03:29 PM |
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I'd consider myself more concerned than scared |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 03:49 PM |
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How about here... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:23 PM |
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Immunology is NOT the study of how flu viruses mutate. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:41 PM |
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What does his age matter? |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:51 PM |
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When the entire medical community is saying one thing, |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:21 PM |
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There have been others with the same opinion... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:32 PM |
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A good place to |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:18 PM |
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Several points of concern, from a pbs interview with an expert: |
IDemo |
Oct-11-05 08:56 PM |
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Bird-->human a problem in Asia where they buy live poultry in stores. |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-11-05 09:01 PM |
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Not exactly true |
IDemo |
Oct-11-05 09:21 PM |
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Here's what I know: |
sparosnare |
Oct-11-05 09:30 PM |
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There ya go... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:03 PM |
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Remember SARS? |
notadmblnd |
Oct-12-05 06:36 AM |
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Well it is |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-13-05 06:23 AM |
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don't ignore KILLER BEES n/t |
rfkrfk |
Oct-13-05 06:43 AM |
#131 |
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