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Tue Oct-11-05 07:49 AM
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| 14. Bush and the media are NOT the source of the information. |
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It started with the United Nation World Health Organization over a year ago. Bush and the media are just now waking up to it.
You may want to read up on the flu. Start with John M Barry's book: "The Great Influenza". The flu CAN take a deadly form. In 1918 675,000 Americans died in a few months from it.
Sooner or later, it WILL mutate to an H-H form. It may or may not retain it's current lethality when it does. That is an unknown.
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| -How much of this bird flu stuff is hype and panic, and what is realistic? |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 06:46 AM |
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do you have access to c-span? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-11-05 06:58 AM |
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The timing is suspicious |
niceypoo |
Oct-11-05 07:52 AM |
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The timing began with the UN over a year ago. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:55 AM |
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The issue of Posse Comitatus is being overlooked. |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 08:43 AM |
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Yes, it is a big deal. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:55 AM |
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No expert here. But it is very DANGEROUS! |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 07:00 AM |
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More than you want to know, a bit dated, but IMO good background |
HereSince1628 |
Oct-11-05 07:11 AM |
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I had to get some series nerve pills for my finches. |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-11-05 07:11 AM |
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Is that why 80 Nations are having a conference about this? |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:37 AM |
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"Take off the tinfoil hat. It is squeezing your brain." |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-11-05 08:26 AM |
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35,000 people die every year from the NORMAL flu in the US |
jsamuel |
Oct-11-05 07:20 AM |
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You are ignoring the percentages. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:27 AM |
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But, conceivably, it could mutate more than once after |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 07:36 AM |
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Yes. The 1918 flu did, but that was AFTER it killed 675,000 Americans |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:39 AM |
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Shame antibiotics weren't available in 1918 like they were in 1957 and 1969 |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 08:13 AM |
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Have you consider that they are using antibiotics now in Asia? |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:17 AM |
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High rate? 60 people have died from this flu since it was identified... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 08:42 AM |
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Actually, that is two year's time, and most of those were this year. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:52 AM |
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Oh that is much worse. 30 people a year die from the bird flu |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:03 AM |
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Viruses do mutate. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:14 AM |
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How do you know that... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:28 AM |
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Restating that. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:05 PM |
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"greatly reduce humanities numbers " |
leeroysphits |
Oct-11-05 01:13 PM |
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A natural disaster is NOT conspiracy thinking. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 01:28 PM |
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I'm sorry but your doom and gloom prognostication |
leeroysphits |
Oct-11-05 05:48 PM |
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it's not a linear thing. 60 people in 2 years doesn't sound like |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:36 PM |
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Where are the stats on secondary infections? |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:06 AM |
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Here is a passage from the book Bush wants you to read |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:25 AM |
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Where are the STATISTICS? |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:43 AM |
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No the word MOST is not vague at all as in... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:23 AM |
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I've already tried Google. |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 10:44 AM |
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My elderly father has been hospitalized every year for pnemonia... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 10:57 AM |
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Hospital can handle your dad, but handle a million patients? Nope. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Oct-13-05 06:42 AM |
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Nope. And I'm wondering how many of the "most" in 1918 |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:40 PM |
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The theory of why |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 03:06 PM |
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But the shift to the younger population initially was seen in the ... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 04:34 PM |
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I guess it is possible |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 05:23 PM |
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It is at the bottom of the second information panel when you scroll down |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 06:00 PM |
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Very informative site. Bookmarked. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:21 PM |
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I think I see the line you are talking about |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 08:51 PM |
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I have been wondering if pneumonia can trigger a cytokine storm? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:18 PM |
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I just asked hubby |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:23 PM |
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Interesting. Thank you and your husband very much n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:25 PM |
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Here is a good |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:39 PM |
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I think a British company is working on a cure for this? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 09:47 PM |
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I found a line that might |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 09:58 PM |
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Good Site. Bookmarked. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:14 PM |
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There are none. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 11:50 AM |
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Thanks for the information. |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 03:43 PM |
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antibiotics don't work against viruses though, right? |
helderheid |
Oct-11-05 03:46 PM |
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Correct on both counts. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:16 PM |
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No one ever said they did |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 04:44 PM |
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i wasn't ignoring anything, I was just putting it in perspective |
jsamuel |
Oct-11-05 08:37 AM |
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But it is a false perspective. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:47 AM |
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"If it mutates" |
bloom |
Oct-11-05 10:33 AM |
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Very likely. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 11:57 AM |
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The basic facts about Avian Flu. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:20 AM |
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Couple of points... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:47 PM |
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Evolution is blind, unable to see the end result. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:09 PM |
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Yes it is possible for it to retain its lethality... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:26 PM |
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That is why I am so concerned. |
Silverhair |
Oct-12-05 06:23 AM |
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Pandemics aren't a question of IF |
mzteris |
Oct-11-05 07:30 AM |
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I always defer to doctors that I know personally and respect. For example |
radwriter0555 |
Oct-11-05 07:31 AM |
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Bush and the media are NOT the source of the information. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:49 AM |
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Your opinion is understandable...but it is also very dangerous... |
TwoSparkles |
Oct-11-05 12:19 PM |
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I find that odd |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 03:11 PM |
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I've been worried sick about this for several months now |
gkhouston |
Oct-11-05 03:45 PM |
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It's just hard to know what to believe now. |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 07:43 AM |
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Reliable information is EASY to come by. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 07:54 AM |
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Well, then let's all shoot ourselves |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:17 AM |
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Yeah, Why upgrade the leeves? The chance of a major hurricane |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:23 AM |
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Did you even read my post past the subject line? |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:32 AM |
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Great source of "specialist" information here |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:19 AM |
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a distinct threat, but not a likely one |
melody |
Oct-11-05 08:33 AM |
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And exactly how would that have helped us with previous lies? |
zanne |
Oct-11-05 08:34 AM |
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John M Barry's book: "The Great Influenza" was Bush's reading for |
KoKo01 |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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Because he read it does NOT make the book false or propaganda. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:10 AM |
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Even the "truth" can be used for purposes that aren't always honorable |
KoKo01 |
Oct-11-05 12:19 PM |
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True. My concern is with the people who want to ignore it completely. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:23 PM |
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In this case, tinfoil is critical thinking! |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Oct-11-05 12:35 PM |
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Simple. I haven't paid any attention to what W says. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:51 PM |
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I am worried |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 07:55 AM |
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I have a feeling and maybe that is all it is that the whole |
DemonFighterLives |
Oct-11-05 08:20 AM |
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responsibility for meat inspection |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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Yikes |
DemonFighterLives |
Oct-11-05 08:57 AM |
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my BIL is in the biz |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 09:31 AM |
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Meat today... ewwww.... |
crispini |
Oct-11-05 08:59 AM |
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the worst part is- |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 11:07 AM |
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TDP would solve a LOT of problems, even help on Global Warming. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:18 PM |
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The WHO is worried and so am I |
Mandate My Ass |
Oct-11-05 08:29 AM |
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The WHO is awfully concerned about obesity too. And for good reason |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-11-05 11:08 AM |
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No expert here. |
mutley_r_us |
Oct-11-05 08:37 AM |
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Fortress Against Flu - NY Times 10/11/05 |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:39 AM |
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it is being hyped now, it was hushed up earlier, it smells to me. |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 08:45 AM |
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Vaccine CAN'T be made yet. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 08:59 AM |
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but it has |
mopinko |
Oct-11-05 09:39 AM |
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doesn't work that way.... |
mike_c |
Oct-11-05 12:09 PM |
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Those have been close contact H-H cases. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:20 PM |
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Silverhair, you sound like a very knowledgeable person |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 11:53 AM |
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Actually, I am just a self educated layman in this field. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:18 PM |
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Some of the appends here are a warning |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 08:49 AM |
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You got it right on that !! NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:02 AM |
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They say: "but you just need to wash your hands!" |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 09:13 AM |
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Amen to that! eom |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:06 PM |
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Here's the secret to knowing more about the flu then Bushco does |
Coastie for Truth |
Oct-11-05 10:21 AM |
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Check out the Flu Wiki |
sarahlee |
Oct-11-05 10:27 AM |
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i have some contacts in the poultry industry |
pitohui |
Oct-11-05 10:46 AM |
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H5N1 is not in the USA, even in poultry. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 12:53 PM |
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Silverhair, I really commend your efforts. |
Kailassa |
Oct-11-05 03:23 PM |
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Excellent analysis. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 03:37 PM |
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I think the last comment you make is a legitimate one. |
Skidmore |
Oct-11-05 04:08 PM |
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But it was first detected under Clinton. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 04:15 PM |
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Bird flu has poultry workers concerned |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:16 PM |
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Right now, it's not that dangerous |
warrens |
Oct-11-05 12:28 PM |
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SARs was a bust (thank goodness) and I'm betting the boid flu |
soothsayer |
Oct-11-05 01:39 PM |
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I hope it is a bust. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 03:29 PM |
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I'd consider myself more concerned than scared |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-11-05 03:49 PM |
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How about here... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:23 PM |
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Immunology is NOT the study of how flu viruses mutate. |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 09:41 PM |
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What does his age matter? |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 09:51 PM |
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When the entire medical community is saying one thing, |
Silverhair |
Oct-11-05 10:21 PM |
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There have been others with the same opinion... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:32 PM |
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A good place to |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-11-05 04:18 PM |
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Several points of concern, from a pbs interview with an expert: |
IDemo |
Oct-11-05 08:56 PM |
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Bird-->human a problem in Asia where they buy live poultry in stores. |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-11-05 09:01 PM |
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Not exactly true |
IDemo |
Oct-11-05 09:21 PM |
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Here's what I know: |
sparosnare |
Oct-11-05 09:30 PM |
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There ya go... |
SaveElmer |
Oct-11-05 10:03 PM |
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Remember SARS? |
notadmblnd |
Oct-12-05 06:36 AM |
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Well it is |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-13-05 06:23 AM |
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don't ignore KILLER BEES n/t |
rfkrfk |
Oct-13-05 06:43 AM |
#131 |
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