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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:43 AM
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13. It's just hard to know what to believe now.
If this had happened five years ago, I'd take it very seriously. But we've been frightened time and time again by Bush and his friends (including Tony Blair), only to find out the information they were giving us wasn't reliable. Then, we were lied to about Iraq. I no longer have doubts that these people will harm us or even kill to further their agenda, so I can't blame myself or anybody else for not taking this seriously. For me, at least, trust in the media and the administration is a thing of the past.
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  -How much of this bird flu stuff is hype and panic, and what is realistic? Skidmore  Oct-11-05 06:46 AM   #0 
  - do you have access to c-span?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-11-05 06:58 AM   #1 
  - The timing is suspicious  niceypoo   Oct-11-05 07:52 AM   #15 
     - The timing began with the UN over a year ago.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:55 AM   #17 
        - The issue of Posse Comitatus is being overlooked.  zanne   Oct-11-05 08:43 AM   #36 
           - Yes, it is a big deal.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:55 AM   #41 
  - No expert here. But it is very DANGEROUS!  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 07:00 AM   #2 
  - More than you want to know, a bit dated, but IMO good background  HereSince1628   Oct-11-05 07:11 AM   #3 
  - I had to get some series nerve pills for my finches.  Hubert Flottz   Oct-11-05 07:11 AM   #4 
  - Is that why 80 Nations are having a conference about this?  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:37 AM   #11 
     - "Take off the tinfoil hat. It is squeezing your brain."  Hubert Flottz   Oct-11-05 08:26 AM   #25 
  - 35,000 people die every year from the NORMAL flu in the US  jsamuel   Oct-11-05 07:20 AM   #5 
  - You are ignoring the percentages.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:27 AM   #7 
     - But, conceivably, it could mutate more than once after  Skidmore   Oct-11-05 07:36 AM   #10 
     - Yes. The 1918 flu did, but that was AFTER it killed 675,000 Americans  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:39 AM   #12 
        - Shame antibiotics weren't available in 1918 like they were in 1957 and 1969  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 08:13 AM   #19 
           - Have you consider that they are using antibiotics now in Asia?  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:17 AM   #20 
           - High rate? 60 people have died from this flu since it was identified...  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 08:42 AM   #35 
              - Actually, that is two year's time, and most of those were this year.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:52 AM   #40 
                 - Oh that is much worse. 30 people a year die from the bird flu  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 09:03 AM   #46 
                    - Viruses do mutate.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 09:14 AM   #50 
                    - How do you know that...  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 10:28 AM   #58 
                       - Restating that.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:05 PM   #68 
                          - "greatly reduce humanities numbers "  leeroysphits   Oct-11-05 01:13 PM   #79 
                             - A natural disaster is NOT conspiracy thinking.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 01:28 PM   #80 
                                - I'm sorry but your doom and gloom prognostication  leeroysphits   Oct-11-05 05:48 PM   #103 
                    - it's not a linear thing. 60 people in 2 years doesn't sound like  gkhouston   Oct-11-05 03:36 PM   #86 
           - Where are the stats on secondary infections?  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 09:06 AM   #47 
           - Here is a passage from the book Bush wants you to read  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 09:25 AM   #51 
           - Where are the STATISTICS?  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 09:43 AM   #54 
           - No the word MOST is not vague at all as in...  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 10:23 AM   #56 
              - I've already tried Google.  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 10:44 AM   #60 
                 - My elderly father has been hospitalized every year for pnemonia...  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 10:57 AM   #62 
                 - Hospital can handle your dad, but handle a million patients? Nope.  Bernardo de La Paz   Oct-13-05 06:42 AM   #130 
                 - Nope. And I'm wondering how many of the "most" in 1918  gkhouston   Oct-11-05 03:40 PM   #88 
           - The theory of why  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 03:06 PM   #82 
              - But the shift to the younger population initially was seen in the ...  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 04:34 PM   #100 
                 - I guess it is possible  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 05:23 PM   #102 
                    - It is at the bottom of the second information panel when you scroll down  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 06:00 PM   #104 
                       - Very informative site. Bookmarked. NT  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:21 PM   #105 
                       - I think I see the line you are talking about  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 08:51 PM   #106 
                          - I have been wondering if pneumonia can trigger a cytokine storm?  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 09:18 PM   #109 
                             - I just asked hubby  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 09:23 PM   #112 
                             - Interesting. Thank you and your husband very much n/t  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 09:25 PM   #113 
                             - Here is a good  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 09:39 PM   #115 
                                - I think a British company is working on a cure for this?  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 09:47 PM   #117 
                                   - I found a line that might  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 09:58 PM   #120 
                                      - Good Site. Bookmarked. NT  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 10:14 PM   #123 
           - There are none.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 11:50 AM   #65 
              - Thanks for the information.  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 03:43 PM   #89 
           - antibiotics don't work against viruses though, right?  helderheid   Oct-11-05 03:46 PM   #91 
              - Correct on both counts. NT  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 04:16 PM   #96 
              - No one ever said they did  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 04:44 PM   #101 
     - i wasn't ignoring anything, I was just putting it in perspective  jsamuel   Oct-11-05 08:37 AM   #30 
     - But it is a false perspective.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:47 AM   #38 
     - "If it mutates"  bloom   Oct-11-05 10:33 AM   #59 
        - Very likely.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 11:57 AM   #67 
  - The basic facts about Avian Flu.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:20 AM   #6 
  - Couple of points...  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 09:47 PM   #118 
     - Evolution is blind, unable to see the end result.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 10:09 PM   #122 
        - Yes it is possible for it to retain its lethality...  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 10:26 PM   #125 
           - That is why I am so concerned.  Silverhair   Oct-12-05 06:23 AM   #127 
  - Pandemics aren't a question of IF  mzteris   Oct-11-05 07:30 AM   #8 
  - I always defer to doctors that I know personally and respect. For example  radwriter0555   Oct-11-05 07:31 AM   #9 
  - Bush and the media are NOT the source of the information.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:49 AM   #14 
  - Your opinion is understandable...but it is also very dangerous...  TwoSparkles   Oct-11-05 12:19 PM   #72 
  - I find that odd  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 03:11 PM   #83 
  - I've been worried sick about this for several months now  gkhouston   Oct-11-05 03:45 PM   #90 
  - It's just hard to know what to believe now.  zanne   Oct-11-05 07:43 AM   #13 
  - Reliable information is EASY to come by.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 07:54 AM   #16 
     - Well, then let's all shoot ourselves  melody   Oct-11-05 08:17 AM   #21 
     - Yeah, Why upgrade the leeves? The chance of a major hurricane  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:23 AM   #24 
        - Did you even read my post past the subject line?  melody   Oct-11-05 08:32 AM   #27 
     - Great source of "specialist" information here  Coastie for Truth   Oct-11-05 08:19 AM   #22 
     - a distinct threat, but not a likely one  melody   Oct-11-05 08:33 AM   #28 
     - And exactly how would that have helped us with previous lies?  zanne   Oct-11-05 08:34 AM   #29 
     - John M Barry's book: "The Great Influenza" was Bush's reading for  KoKo01   Oct-11-05 08:39 AM   #32 
        - Because he read it does NOT make the book false or propaganda.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 09:10 AM   #48 
           - Even the "truth" can be used for purposes that aren't always honorable  KoKo01   Oct-11-05 12:19 PM   #71 
           - True. My concern is with the people who want to ignore it completely.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:23 PM   #74 
           - In this case, tinfoil is critical thinking!  FrustratedDemInNC   Oct-11-05 12:35 PM   #76 
              - Simple. I haven't paid any attention to what W says.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:51 PM   #77 
  - I am worried  Coastie for Truth   Oct-11-05 07:55 AM   #18 
  - I have a feeling and maybe that is all it is that the whole  DemonFighterLives   Oct-11-05 08:20 AM   #23 
  - responsibility for meat inspection  mopinko   Oct-11-05 08:39 AM   #34 
     - Yikes  DemonFighterLives   Oct-11-05 08:57 AM   #42 
     - my BIL is in the biz  mopinko   Oct-11-05 09:31 AM   #52 
     - Meat today... ewwww....  crispini   Oct-11-05 08:59 AM   #43 
        - the worst part is-  mopinko   Oct-11-05 11:07 AM   #63 
           - TDP would solve a LOT of problems, even help on Global Warming. NT  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 04:18 PM   #98 
  - The WHO is worried and so am I  Mandate My Ass   Oct-11-05 08:29 AM   #26 
  - The WHO is awfully concerned about obesity too. And for good reason  NNN0LHI   Oct-11-05 11:08 AM   #64 
  - No expert here.  mutley_r_us   Oct-11-05 08:37 AM   #31 
  - Fortress Against Flu - NY Times 10/11/05  Coastie for Truth   Oct-11-05 08:39 AM   #33 
  - it is being hyped now, it was hushed up earlier, it smells to me.  mopinko   Oct-11-05 08:45 AM   #37 
  - Vaccine CAN'T be made yet.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 08:59 AM   #44 
     - but it has  mopinko   Oct-11-05 09:39 AM   #53 
     - doesn't work that way....  mike_c   Oct-11-05 12:09 PM   #69 
     - Those have been close contact H-H cases.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:20 PM   #73 
     - Silverhair, you sound like a very knowledgeable person  Skidmore   Oct-11-05 11:53 AM   #66 
        - Actually, I am just a self educated layman in this field.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:18 PM   #70 
  - Some of the appends here are a warning  Coastie for Truth   Oct-11-05 08:49 AM   #39 
  - You got it right on that !! NT  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 09:02 AM   #45 
  - They say: "but you just need to wash your hands!"  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 09:13 AM   #49 
  - Amen to that! eom  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 04:06 PM   #93 
  - Here's the secret to knowing more about the flu then Bushco does  Coastie for Truth   Oct-11-05 10:21 AM   #55 
  - Check out the Flu Wiki  sarahlee   Oct-11-05 10:27 AM   #57 
  - i have some contacts in the poultry industry  pitohui   Oct-11-05 10:46 AM   #61 
  - H5N1 is not in the USA, even in poultry.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 12:53 PM   #78 
  - Silverhair, I really commend your efforts.  Kailassa   Oct-11-05 03:23 PM   #84 
     - Excellent analysis.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 03:37 PM   #87 
     - I think the last comment you make is a legitimate one.  Skidmore   Oct-11-05 04:08 PM   #94 
        - But it was first detected under Clinton.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 04:15 PM   #95 
  - Bird flu has poultry workers concerned  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 04:16 PM   #97 
  - Right now, it's not that dangerous  warrens   Oct-11-05 12:28 PM   #75 
  - SARs was a bust (thank goodness) and I'm betting the boid flu  soothsayer   Oct-11-05 01:39 PM   #81 
  - I hope it is a bust.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 03:29 PM   #85 
     - I'd consider myself more concerned than scared  Bridget Burke   Oct-11-05 03:49 PM   #92 
     - How about here...  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 09:23 PM   #111 
        - Immunology is NOT the study of how flu viruses mutate.  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 09:41 PM   #116 
           - What does his age matter?  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 09:51 PM   #119 
              - When the entire medical community is saying one thing,  Silverhair   Oct-11-05 10:21 PM   #124 
                 - There have been others with the same opinion...  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 10:32 PM   #126 
  - A good place to  Mojorabbit   Oct-11-05 04:18 PM   #99 
  - Several points of concern, from a pbs interview with an expert:  IDemo   Oct-11-05 08:56 PM   #107 
  - Bird-->human a problem in Asia where they buy live poultry in stores.  McCamy Taylor   Oct-11-05 09:01 PM   #108 
  - Not exactly true  IDemo   Oct-11-05 09:21 PM   #110 
  - Here's what I know:  sparosnare   Oct-11-05 09:30 PM   #114 
  - There ya go...  SaveElmer   Oct-11-05 10:03 PM   #121 
  - Remember SARS?  notadmblnd   Oct-12-05 06:36 AM   #128 
  - Well it is  Mojorabbit   Oct-13-05 06:23 AM   #129 
  - don't ignore KILLER BEES n/t  rfkrfk   Oct-13-05 06:43 AM   #131 
 

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