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Know your BFEE: The Secret Government
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Ever wonder who put the Mock in Democracy? If youre like me, you know it was the Bush Family Evil Empire.

The Bush family names leaves a stain of treachery that goes back to busting the old Weimar Republic and building NAZI Germany through the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on through Vietnam, Watergate, October Surprise, Iran-Contra, arming Iraq and Saddam, BCCI, Inslaw-PROMIS, Selection 2000, ENRON Energy Policy, 9-11, Illegal Iraq Invasion, Plame NOC-outing, e-Selection 2004 and all the rest of their various treasons of the present day.

Of course, I submit the Bushes dont act alone. They are the dirty tip of the rotten spear for a Secret Government who oppose democracy, rule of law and the United States Constitution. Dont take my word for it. Lets look at the record.

Exhibit A:

When 9-11 happened, Sneering Dick Cheney, Smirking Duhbya Bush, Trent Lott and the rest of the GOP leadership got ushered to safety where they could continue governing, no matter what. The problem was, they left out the Democrats.

'Shadow Government' News To Congress

Dem Leaders Say They Werent Told; GOP Staffers Not Sure

White House Casts Light On 'Shadow'

WASHINGTON, March 5, 2002 (CBS)

Quote: This is not the kind of thing you tell 10, 50 or 100 senators. If you do, you might as well tell the world." Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss.

(CBS) After lawmakers complained that they were kept in the dark, White House officials on Tuesday briefed top members of Congress about the "shadow government" that President Bush set up outside Washington as a safeguard against terrorism.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said two top Bush aides briefed Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D. on Tuesday, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "had been previously informed."

But House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., was not part of Tuesday's session. His spokesman Erik Smith said Gephardt did not know about the meeting until it ended. He said he did not know why Gephardt was not invited.

"We're disappointed, we don't understand why they would choose not to invite Mr. Gephardt," Smith said.

Fleischer told reporters that Gephardt's absence was "a scheduling matter," but when pressed on whether Gephardt was invited, Fleischer replied, "I don't make all the invitations here at the White House.


How nice. A shadow government. No need for an opposition in the dark twilight of the Fourth Reich. Right?

Exhibit B:

Bill Moyers described the Secret Government that operated beyond Congressional oversight during Iran-Contra days:

The Secret Government

by Bill Moyers
Seven Locks Press, 1988


The contras: Reagan has compared them to our Founding Fathers. In reality, Ronald Reagan and CIA director William Casey were their founding fathers. Two months after his inauguration, the president approved the funds Casey used to create the contras. Their ultimate goal was the violent overthrow of the Nicaraguan government, a government the United States legally recognizes. So the war had to be carried out covertly, as a campaign of terror. But Americans were outraged when J CIA agents mined the Nicaraguan harbors and blew up fuel tanks, causing thousands of Nicaraguan citizens to flee their homes; and Congress, in protest, cut off the contra funds. Still the president refused to give up on his crusade, and his men went to work secretly to keep the war going. The question now was how to evade Congress, the law and public opinion.
First, a small cabal in the White House took charge of policy: President Reagan, CIA Director Casey, National Security Advisers McFarlane and Poindexter, and their aide, Colonel North.

To raise money for the contras, the secret team turned to rightwing governments that could do favors for the United States and receive favors in return. The king of Saudi Arabia doled out a million dollars a month; the sultan of Brunei coughed up $10 million that was misplaced through a White House error. The secret government also encouraged the fund-raising efforts of retired Gen. John Singlaub. Relieved of his command for insubordination in 1977, he now runs the World Anti-Communist League.


GEORGE GORMAN, former captain, U.S. Marine Corps:
I'm two years senior to Oliver North out of the Naval Academy, and the only thing he's got on me is a Silver Star and six more years in the Corps. And when Oliver North started to say the things he started to say, I literally wanted to throw things at my TV set. I seriously considered mailing my Naval Academy ring back to the Naval Academy and denying ever having gone there. I was so embarrassed and humiliated that a professional military officer would stoop to the dishonor and disgrace and warmongering that Oliver North and Poindexter and McFarlane and the rest of the crew did. Selling arms to the Iranians after they blew up the Beirut barracks, after they blew up the Beirut embassy, is the most immoral thing- that's like selling Zyklon-B to the Germans after you've found out the Holocaust is under way.


Gee. Appears the BFEE has some serious Constitutional issues there, for our Democracy.

Heres what author Joseph Trento had to say about Ted Shackley (photo) and the government-within-a-government, the CIA within the CIA that stayed in power, no matter whether its members were in government or not:

Prelude to Terror:

The Rogue CIA, The Legacy of America's Private Intelligence Network the Compromising of American Intelligence

Book Review:

After decades of writing and research about American intelligence, Joseph Trento has written the most authoritative indictment of CIA splinter groups, two generations of Bush family involvement in illegal financial networks, and the funding of the agents of terror. Prelude to Terror reveals the history of a corrupt group of spymasters-led by Ted Shackley-who were fired when Jimmy Carter became president, but who maintained their intelligence portfolio and used it to create a private intelligence network. After this rogue group helped engineer Carter's defeat in 1980 and allied with George H.W. Bush, these former CIA men planned and conducted what became the Iran-Contra scandal and, through the Saudis, allied the U.S. with extreme elements in Islam. The CIA's number-one front man, Edwin P. Wilson, was framed by Shackley and his cohorts so that Wilson's operations could be taken over. For the first time the story of how CIA director George H. W. Bush was recruited into this network, and brought it into the bosom of the Saudi royal family, is told in detail, as well as how this group's manipulation of the CIA bureaucracy allowed Osama bin Laden's fundraising to thrive as al Qaeda flourished under Saudi and CIA protection.


Thats a nice enough summary of some not-so-nice evil bastards who answer to no one the public can call to account. With their rush to classify presidential papers and almost every scrap of paper as classified, we can see how they can have secret trials, the destruction of habeus corpus, the loss of the Bill of Rights. They truly are a secret government.

Those who disagree, please state why. I welcome the chance to discuss the Secret Government.

Those who agree, please pile on the BFEE. They deserve it and worse.
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  -Know your BFEE: The Secret Government Octafish  Oct-10-05 06:34 PM   #0 
  - Wonder info - Thanks Octafish! n/t  Sydnie   Oct-10-05 06:38 PM   #1 
  - You're welcome, Sydnie! Here's more on "Continuity of Government."  Octafish   Oct-10-05 09:58 PM   #18 
     - If there is a God, I hope that he is keeping score and hears  Sydnie   Oct-10-05 10:15 PM   #20 
     - hi Octafish  newspeak   Oct-10-05 10:29 PM   #24 
        - Congress was indeed in session.  emperor72   Oct-10-05 11:19 PM   #26 
           - the reason I ask  newspeak   Oct-10-05 11:29 PM   #27 
              - I've asked this question before  nomatrix   Oct-13-05 12:55 AM   #82 
  - Recommended: the implications mind-boggling  indepat   Oct-10-05 06:49 PM   #2 
  - Hey, indepat! What they don't want We the People to know...  Octafish   Oct-10-05 10:13 PM   #19 
     - Tens of millions of programmed (brainwashed) robots coupled with  indepat   Oct-11-05 10:35 AM   #41 
  - Great piece, as always!  atommom   Oct-10-05 06:59 PM   #3 
  - Muchisimas gracias, atommom! Didya hear 'bout these "Secrets"?  Octafish   Oct-10-05 10:21 PM   #21 
  - Where ya' been!!! I've missed your keen fact-collecting and teaching!!!  Just Me   Oct-10-05 07:01 PM   #4 
  - ^^^^^^^ Ditto what Just Me said ^^^^^^^  Beam Me Up   Oct-10-05 07:13 PM   #5 
  - Hi, Beam Me Up! Remember Fletcher Prouty and the "Secret Team"?  Octafish   Oct-11-05 08:43 AM   #33 
     - Dear Octafish!  Beam Me Up   Oct-11-05 10:49 AM   #43 
  - Whoops,...nominated.  Just Me   Oct-10-05 07:14 PM   #6 
  - Thanks, Just Me! I've had to put food on my family...  Octafish   Oct-10-05 10:35 PM   #25 
     - I admire Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski's courage in taking a stand for truth.  Just Me   Oct-12-05 08:51 AM   #67 
  - Perfect Timing for another Octafish BFEE Crime Thread!!!  leftchick   Oct-10-05 07:20 PM   #7 
  - Thanks, leftchick! Good to see you remember the story the NYT missed.  Octafish   Oct-11-05 08:54 AM   #34 
     - Social Democrat(ic) Party?  leftchick   Oct-11-05 06:12 PM   #58 
  - Good to see Trento's book being mentioned  Monkey see Monkey Do   Oct-10-05 07:21 PM   #8 
  - The Armageddon Plan  Octafish   Oct-11-05 09:02 AM   #35 
  - You rule, Octafish! Great job!  robertpaulsen   Oct-10-05 07:24 PM   #9 
  - Domo arigato, RP! You remember REX 84 and how Ollie North squirmed...  Octafish   Oct-11-05 09:24 AM   #36 
     - Thanks for showing new audiences the keys to unlock the REAL BushInc  blm   Oct-11-05 09:34 AM   #38 
     - This is why I cringe when I see all the glee about . . .  leanin_green   Oct-11-05 03:35 PM   #53 
     - Wow. They wouldn't even let him say, "I cannot recollect".  robertpaulsen   Oct-11-05 03:52 PM   #54 
  - Thanks. Insightful.  valerief   Oct-10-05 07:27 PM   #10 
  - Thanks, valerief! Here's a bit on Poppy, Soghanalian, Murphy & Jennifer F.  Octafish   Oct-11-05 04:03 PM   #55 
  - As always your posts are right on.  gordianot   Oct-10-05 07:33 PM   #11 
  - Thanks, gordianot! USMC Maj. Gen. Butler twice won the Medal of Honor.  Octafish   Oct-11-05 04:16 PM   #56 
  - Thanks. I'm just finishing Moyers' Secret Government right now!  Emit   Oct-10-05 08:06 PM   #12 
  - You're welcome, Emit! Remember the "Tonkin Gulf Resolution"?  Octafish   Oct-11-05 07:33 PM   #59 
  - For those who can handle the truth...  Karenina   Oct-10-05 08:22 PM   #13 
  - Thanks, Karenina! Hey! Didya hear what Kitty Kelley wrote?  Octafish   Oct-11-05 07:41 PM   #60 
  - Ted Shackley is burning in hell.  Jara sang   Oct-10-05 08:26 PM   #14 
  - Shackley's got lots of company company.  Octafish   Oct-12-05 09:48 AM   #68 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Oct-10-05 08:32 PM   #15 
  - Thanks, H20 Man! Hey! Didyahearbout "The Pimping of the President"?  Octafish   Oct-12-05 12:29 PM   #71 
  - Thank you again Octa!  emperor72   Oct-10-05 08:33 PM   #16 
  - You're welcome, emperor72! Hey! Didyahear'bout Post-911 Fascism?  Octafish   Oct-12-05 02:51 PM   #74 
  - Evil bastards is right.  Rex   Oct-10-05 08:33 PM   #17 
  - Hi, Rex! Thanks for getting "Them" and seeing the Bush Mafia.  Octafish   Oct-12-05 11:45 PM   #77 
  - Terrific Info  Me.   Oct-10-05 10:22 PM   #22 
  - Xie xie, Me.  Octafish   Oct-12-05 11:52 PM   #78 
     - The Bush family: Middle Kingdom rainmakers  Octafish   Oct-13-05 12:01 AM   #79 
  - Oh yeah, BFEE is VERY REAL and EVIL. Thanks for this post  texpatriot2004   Oct-10-05 10:24 PM   #23 
  - Information is what makes Democracy work.  Octafish   Oct-13-05 12:09 AM   #80 
  - Stomp out the BFEE nm  texpatriot2004   Oct-10-05 11:34 PM   #28 
  - Paul Craig Roberts: 'Natural Born Liars.'  Octafish   Oct-13-05 01:30 PM   #83 
  - So, am I getting this right that some of our Fed Gov people were  texpatriot2004   Oct-11-05 12:28 AM   #29 
  - Yes. Poppy's friends would be part of the New Government...  Octafish   Oct-11-05 08:32 AM   #31 
     - I think that you  H2O Man   Oct-11-05 08:42 AM   #32 
     - CIA means "Capitalism's Invisible Army."  Octafish   Oct-11-05 09:30 AM   #37 
     - "A narrow group of American families." Can we name them H2O Man?  Beam Me Up   Oct-11-05 09:58 AM   #39 
        - Well, I think that  H2O Man   Oct-11-05 10:16 AM   #40 
        - I see your point, H2O Man.  Beam Me Up   Oct-11-05 11:14 AM   #45 
        - Follow The Money  Me.   Oct-12-05 12:22 AM   #63 
        - Mark Lombardi (suicided) does a beautiful job graphing the principals  glitch   Oct-11-05 11:11 AM   #44 
        - Yes, Lombardi mapped many of the players and their relationships . . .  Beam Me Up   Oct-11-05 11:35 AM   #46 
        - There are two thread here in the last 3 days that name them. n.t  texpatriot2004   Oct-12-05 07:40 AM   #65 
           - Do you have links to these threade? Or can you offer search parameters?  Beam Me Up   Oct-12-05 10:25 AM   #69 
              - This is thread 2 on the subject and the link to thread 1 is in it.  texpatriot2004   Oct-12-05 01:59 PM   #73 
                 - thank you n/t  Beam Me Up   Oct-12-05 09:45 PM   #76 
     - Thanks for the info and link about this shadow. n.t  texpatriot2004   Oct-12-05 07:38 AM   #64 
  - Recommended & kicked - important thread n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Oct-11-05 04:28 AM   #30 
  - Thanks, Nothing Without Hope! Remember Inslaw PROMIS?  Octafish   Oct-13-05 01:44 PM   #84 
  - bookmarked, recommended, and a  Greyskye   Oct-11-05 10:47 AM   #42 
  - Thanks, Greyskye! Here's a great PBS 'Secret Gov.t' documentary link...  Octafish   Oct-13-05 04:01 PM   #85 
  - The "Secret Governemnet" has been around for years  serryjw   Oct-11-05 12:05 PM   #47 
  - Great links, those, serryjw! Thanks! Remember Pike, Rumsfeld & Cheney?  Octafish   Oct-14-05 08:29 AM   #87 
  - John Dean's book is a must read too, re: secrecy in government  wiggs   Oct-11-05 12:14 PM   #48 
  - Right.  H2O Man   Oct-11-05 12:20 PM   #49 
  - Where would he get THAT idea?  Octafish   Oct-14-05 08:47 AM   #88 
  - John Dean's Letter to Karl Rove (2002)  Octafish   Oct-14-05 08:53 AM   #89 
  - Kicked & Recommended!  TheGoldenRule   Oct-11-05 12:23 PM   #50 
  - Chokrane, TheGoldenRule!  Octafish   Oct-14-05 09:03 AM   #90 
  - kick  oasis   Oct-11-05 02:26 PM   #51 
  - Dankon, oasis! Here's a Secret Hope, courtesy of Tom Tomorrow...  Octafish   Oct-14-05 09:17 AM   #91 
  - I AM LIKE U  dbeach   Oct-11-05 02:42 PM   #52 
  - Hey, dbeach! I am like You! For those who wonder about us, think PNAC!  Octafish   Oct-14-05 09:37 AM   #93 
  - Octafish, when do you think the rest of America  The Wielding Truth   Oct-11-05 04:42 PM   #57 
  - It's happening, The Wielding Truth! 'Support Our Props!'  Octafish   Oct-15-05 11:20 AM   #96 
  - Reading "Prelude to Terror" right now...  Junkdrawer   Oct-11-05 07:57 PM   #61 
  - Hey, Junkdrawer! Good book! 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudi.  Octafish   Oct-15-05 01:20 PM   #97 
     - Imagine how much power is connected with the Saudi Petro-Bucks...  Junkdrawer   Oct-16-05 07:02 PM   #110 
  - Kick  oasis   Oct-11-05 11:54 PM   #62 
  - Thanks, oasis! What Trento wrote...  Octafish   Oct-15-05 01:41 PM   #98 
  - The Shadow Government...  bridgit   Oct-12-05 07:42 AM   #66 
  - Bush told Blair of 'going beyond Iraq' ... to Saudi Arabia?  Octafish   Oct-15-05 02:06 PM   #99 
  - shadow kick...  bridgit   Oct-12-05 10:44 AM   #70 
  - Sunshine kick!  Karenina   Oct-12-05 01:34 PM   #72 
  - Thanks, Karenina! Secret Government is so un-American.  Octafish   Oct-15-05 02:13 PM   #100 
  - Grazi, bridgit! Didya know they like to keep Economic News SECRET?  Octafish   Oct-14-05 09:25 AM   #92 
  - Koala Kick n/t  Kailassa   Oct-12-05 05:04 PM   #75 
  - Thanks, Kailassa! Hey! Didya ever hear of 'The Octopus'?  Octafish   Oct-15-05 02:25 PM   #101 
  - in another thread: Ann KKKoulter hired by RM Scaiphe  bluedawg12   Oct-13-05 12:11 AM   #81 
  - The Origins of the Overclass  Octafish   Oct-15-05 11:10 AM   #94 
  - kick it n/t  texpatriot2004   Oct-14-05 07:42 AM   #86 
  - Thanks, texpatriot2004! Hey, remember Operation TAILWIND?  Octafish   Oct-15-05 02:37 PM   #102 
     - Wow. No, I didn't remember but that's interesting. You are right  texpatriot2004   Oct-16-05 01:21 AM   #109 
  - We, in the reality based world need to get ahead of these guys  Jose Diablo   Oct-15-05 11:19 AM   #95 
  - Information. Information. Information.  Octafish   Oct-15-05 03:01 PM   #104 
  - kICk  G_j   Oct-15-05 02:49 PM   #103 
  - Thanks, G_j! What you said! Remember 'Project P.U.L.L.'?  Octafish   Oct-15-05 05:11 PM   #107 
  - Watching Moyer's old documentary on the Secret Government....  AntiFascist   Oct-15-05 04:00 PM   #105 
     - Catch Moyers' 'Secret Government' documentary online...Operation AJAX.  Octafish   Oct-15-05 04:52 PM   #106 
        - This sounds like an excellent book....  AntiFascist   Oct-15-05 05:30 PM   #108 
        - I'll have to get several copies,...and spread them around.  Just Me   Oct-16-05 07:16 PM   #111 

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