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Regular flu is extremely contagious, but not very lethal. Further, it kills mostly high risk people who have health problems already. So 36K deaths on a population base of 300M is about one in 10K. If 10% of the general population get the flu, then that is a mortality rate of .1%. That is a tenth of a percent. So it is not a great worry. That is routine.
The problem with Avian Flu is that the mortality rate is staggering. Between 50 to 70%. At this time, Avian Flu does not EASILY jump from human to human. There have been some H-H cases noted, but only a few. If the virus mutates to an easily contagious form (If you knew virology you would know how very likely that is to happen.)then it would be off and running through humanity just like the regular flu does, and with a high lethality.
It has the potential of greatly reducing the human population of the entire earth. Regular flu doesn't have that potential.
Read John M Barry's book about the 1918 flu epidemic. It has an excellent chapter on the flu virus, what it is, and how it works.
H5N1, the Avian Flu, infects pigs as well as birds. Pigs can also catch regular human flu quite easily. If some pig get both at the same time, then the two viruses will make many combinations, and some of them will be really bad news for humanity.
The hope is that when it mutates to H-H form, it will also shed it's extreme lethality. But even if it drops to a "mere" 1% lethality, it will still be ten time worse than regular flu.
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| -36,000 people will die in America from flu this year. Are you concerned? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 05:43 AM |
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The FEAR that this Bird flu creates is amazing, it's just like TERRA. |
sarcasmo |
Oct-01-05 05:47 AM |
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You got that right! |
ElectroPrincess |
Oct-01-05 05:53 AM |
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Just a natural result of the same sort of randomness assoc. w/evolution. |
Mr_Spock |
Oct-01-05 10:56 AM |
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I'm Concerned Every Year |
REP |
Oct-01-05 05:51 AM |
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I'm not considered "high risk" |
Skittles |
Oct-01-05 05:52 AM |
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Wanna Borrow My MedicAlert Bracelet? |
REP |
Oct-01-05 06:03 AM |
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see I skipped it last year |
Skittles |
Oct-01-05 06:42 AM |
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LOL!!!!!!!!!! |
YouthInAsia |
Oct-01-05 12:12 PM |
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I'm 50 and also considered "high risk" and I don't get overly concerned |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 06:12 AM |
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The Flu is Highly Contagious; West Nile is Still Rather Exotic |
REP |
Oct-01-05 06:22 AM |
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west nile is not contagious at all (my nitpick) |
pitohui |
Oct-01-05 08:43 PM |
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what happened last year to the "great flu " |
madrchsod |
Oct-01-05 06:28 AM |
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Did someone tell you that the "great flu" was going to strike...... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Oct-01-05 07:21 AM |
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There are new strains every year, though. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:44 AM |
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Don, please get your flu shot! |
Divernan |
Oct-01-05 07:31 AM |
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Note that the flu pandemic killed young people in their 20's & 30's |
Mr_Spock |
Oct-01-05 11:01 AM |
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I am also high risk and in my early 40s |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 06:48 AM |
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If You Read The Repsonses on this Thread, We're "Fear Mongerers" |
REP |
Oct-01-05 07:05 AM |
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Yeah, we also have vaccine available for high risk only |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:16 AM |
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I Was Lucky - No Problems Last Year |
REP |
Oct-01-05 07:22 AM |
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It was crazy last year |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:25 AM |
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Normal flu vaccines won't help against Avian Flu because.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Oct-01-05 07:26 AM |
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I Think This Thread is About Regular Flu |
REP |
Oct-01-05 07:29 AM |
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I am aware of that. |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:30 AM |
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kitchenwitch you ain't gonna get avian flu |
pitohui |
Oct-01-05 08:46 PM |
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They told my husband that the stockpiles are still low. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:46 AM |
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I'm also high risk |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Oct-01-05 10:58 AM |
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Is a person with regular Type 2 diabetes considered "high risk"? n/t |
Ladyhawk |
Oct-01-05 12:56 PM |
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Yes Ladyhawk |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:28 PM |
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i'd say ask yr doctor |
pitohui |
Oct-01-05 08:49 PM |
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if you're high risk do get yr shot |
pitohui |
Oct-01-05 08:40 PM |
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Latest Freeper answer: |
TomClash |
Oct-01-05 06:14 AM |
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typical compassionate conservative |
Skittles |
Oct-01-05 06:43 AM |
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That person's obviously not seen much. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:49 AM |
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You know I used to think that |
TomClash |
Oct-01-05 09:35 AM |
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3/4 of them are over 75 |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 06:21 AM |
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The Rest Are The Very Young and the Chronically Ill |
REP |
Oct-01-05 06:23 AM |
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"90 percent of those deaths are among people 65 and older" |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 06:50 AM |
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Oh please!?! |
ElectroPrincess |
Oct-01-05 06:54 AM |
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Huh? Facts is Facts |
REP |
Oct-01-05 07:01 AM |
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I think we should follow each other's advice ... |
ElectroPrincess |
Oct-01-05 11:32 AM |
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Excuse me |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:23 AM |
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But again, that's the point - other than a flu vaccine, we have NO |
ElectroPrincess |
Oct-01-05 11:46 AM |
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Stop watching TV! |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 07:33 AM |
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So my husband's neurotic for worrying about his patients? |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:40 AM |
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not concerned for myself |
nickinSTL |
Oct-01-05 07:00 AM |
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My son's doctor said that yesterday |
KayLaw |
Oct-01-05 07:28 AM |
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All the docs we know are saying the same thing. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:50 AM |
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The ten leading causes of death... |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 07:32 AM |
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Thank you for that |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:33 AM |
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And a big cause of #1 and #2? |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 07:35 AM |
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Yep. |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 07:41 AM |
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I used a bad flu to quit smoking |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 07:53 AM |
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Interesting method... |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:02 AM |
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Then don't smoke /eom |
ElectroPrincess |
Oct-01-05 11:50 AM |
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Accidents in general are #5 at 106,000+ every year. |
Zynx |
Oct-01-05 07:54 AM |
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I mentioned automobile accidents... |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:04 AM |
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That's okay. It isn't obvious. |
Zynx |
Oct-01-05 08:15 AM |
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ack! Forgot the link! |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:08 AM |
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Kicked and Recommended |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:32 AM |
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We are in our house. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:36 AM |
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Kids spread the flu; If we abort all the kids, we could eliminate the flu |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 07:40 AM |
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channeling Bill Bennett this AM are you? |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:41 AM |
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That's one option, I guess. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 07:48 AM |
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Oh no, if there's a quarantine we may resort to that! n/t |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 10:46 AM |
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And tens of thousands will be killed by drunk drivers and many more |
Zynx |
Oct-01-05 07:51 AM |
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See post #30 |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 07:55 AM |
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Actually, they do... |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:05 AM |
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oops! |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:09 AM |
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Well, if you combine things... |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:12 AM |
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Ahhh...Now we are into deep statistical analysis. |
Zynx |
Oct-01-05 08:15 AM |
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I would guess that it would still be #3 |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:18 AM |
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By all means, get your flu shot. |
HawkerHurricane |
Oct-01-05 08:24 AM |
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I am sure there are protocols for how deaths are registered |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:27 AM |
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Reminds me of an old joke from someone's sig line |
bananas |
Oct-01-05 08:51 AM |
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You don't get it because you don't understand virology |
depakid |
Oct-01-05 08:08 AM |
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Our media doesn't report the 36,000 deaths from human flu every year... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 08:17 AM |
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Makes perfect sense. ;-) |
Zynx |
Oct-01-05 08:18 AM |
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Well golly, Don, you had better personally get a better understanding |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:21 AM |
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I guess I misunderstood your point |
depakid |
Oct-01-05 07:29 PM |
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Probably wasn't you fault about the misunderstanding |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 07:43 PM |
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I just had it. And it was BAD! |
Darth Lib |
Oct-01-05 08:27 AM |
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Influenza, or flu for short is a respiratory illness |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:29 AM |
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Avian Flu is very serious. |
ClassicDem |
Oct-01-05 08:41 AM |
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Yes avian flu is bad |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:47 AM |
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Again SARS had a 10% mortality rate. |
ClassicDem |
Oct-01-05 08:59 AM |
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yes, by all means let us ignore the fact the 36,000 die each year of flu |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 09:09 AM |
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I think the whole reason |
G_j |
Oct-01-05 09:35 AM |
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It depends on what you read. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 12:19 PM |
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Yep |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-01-05 08:26 PM |
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Wow. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 11:37 PM |
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Very simple. |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 08:45 AM |
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Very good post! |
crispini |
Oct-01-05 09:10 AM |
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Heres an expert from John M Barry's book about the 1918 flu epidemic |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 10:17 AM |
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And from your own post: |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 10:21 AM |
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Yes because there were no antibiotics available then |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 10:26 AM |
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Antibiotics are ineffective against viruses. NT |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 10:40 AM |
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I have been talking about complications from the flu here to you |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 10:46 AM |
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And the part that I put in bold print was direct flu deaths. |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 10:50 AM |
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What does lot mean when you say there were a LOT of direct flu deaths? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 11:06 AM |
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Impossible to determine. |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 11:22 AM |
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I admit that I haven't read the whole book |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-01-05 11:39 AM |
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Check out this site: |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 03:09 PM |
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Same could be said about Avian Flu |
ClassicDem |
Oct-01-05 10:53 AM |
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Now THAT IS scarry. |
Silverhair |
Oct-01-05 11:19 AM |
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From a public health or political standpoint? |
triguy46 |
Oct-01-05 10:43 AM |
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Amen and amen!!! |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 12:22 PM |
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We all know that flu takes out old folks. Flu pandemic is indiscriminate |
Mr_Spock |
Oct-01-05 10:52 AM |
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40,000 people will die from accidents on two lane highways |
Must_B_Free |
Oct-01-05 11:43 AM |
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No. |
Feron |
Oct-01-05 11:43 AM |
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If the pneumonia is caused by influenza, that makes sense. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-01-05 12:25 PM |
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High risk people should get vaccination |
Nikia |
Oct-01-05 12:42 PM |
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Yes - Bush and his cronies are in charge |
mvd |
Oct-01-05 02:01 PM |
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Normal flu has a low mortality rate. Avian flu has a mortality rate so far |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-01-05 08:28 PM |
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a little concerned but |
pitohui |
Oct-01-05 08:31 PM |
#110 |