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189. if someone just decided--a week before her due date--that she wants an abo
Name ONE time since R v. W that a woman even ASKED a doctor to do an abortion "just because" one week before her due date.

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick!

We trust that no woman will carry a pregnancy through 39.5 weeks and then abort it if there is nothing wrong with the fetus or with her.

And you know what? Even if some woman did ask that, and a doctor did do it, it's just none of your business, nor mine.
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  -Under what cirumstance is abortion moral? I've always thought about this yellowjacket7  Sep-29-05 09:58 PM   #0 
  - Under any circumstance.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:00 PM   #1 
  - Well said!  LynnTheDem   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #10 
  - Thanks!  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:11 PM   #27 
  - Exactly  FreedomAngel82   Sep-29-05 10:55 PM   #129 
     - Stupid MFers seem to think there were no abortions until it was legal  LynnTheDem   Sep-29-05 11:09 PM   #162 
        - They know that...  benburch   Sep-29-05 11:34 PM   #190 
  - Amen  RPM   Sep-29-05 10:19 PM   #46 
  - So you say a fetus is not a person  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 10:24 PM   #58 
  - When it draws breath.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:26 PM   #62 
  - That's between the WOMAN and her DOCTOR.  LynnTheDem   Sep-29-05 10:27 PM   #64 
  - Exactly!  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:30 PM   #68 
  - So what is the moral argument here?  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 10:30 PM   #69 
  - Why should we have to?  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #77 
  - At 8 or 8 months, it is still a fetus?  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 10:35 PM   #80 
     - It ought to be lawful up to time of live birth.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:37 PM   #88 
     - pregnancy termination at 9 mons is called "delivery"  wellstone_democrat   Sep-29-05 10:42 PM   #103 
     - or eight minutes?  salin   Sep-29-05 10:44 PM   #105 
     - LOL! Pregnancy IS terminated at nine months!  CoolOnion   Sep-29-05 10:45 PM   #107 
     - Most pregnancies are naturally terminated  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 10:49 PM   #116 
        - Well what about a ceasarian section then?  Crunchy Frog   Sep-29-05 10:57 PM   #140 
           - And what about in-vitro fertilization?  CoolOnion   Sep-29-05 11:02 PM   #151 
           - Yes, that's physically induced  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 11:04 PM   #156 
              - As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-29-05 11:12 PM   #164 
              - Oohhh, that's why you are a moderator  Raster   Sep-29-05 11:33 PM   #187 
              - You said physical termination rather than natural termination.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-29-05 11:31 PM   #185 
     - Pregnancies are automatically terminated when a baby is born.  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:50 PM   #120 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-05 11:14 PM   #166 
     - Some silly, stupid people here can't seem to figure out that  kestrel91316   Sep-29-05 11:58 PM   #208 
  - WHOSE "morality"? Yours? Mine?  LynnTheDem   Sep-29-05 10:34 PM   #79 
  - thank you  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:28 PM   #182 
  - NO!  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:49 PM   #117 
  - It's none of your business. THAT'S the morality.  Lindacooks   Sep-29-05 11:17 PM   #168 
  - well then , you should not expose yourself on theDU hunny!  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:40 PM   #196 
  - there isn't one. n/t  Scout   Sep-29-05 11:23 PM   #175 
  - We don't have to give you anything Who the f--- are YOU?  kestrel91316   Sep-29-05 11:55 PM   #207 
  - I agree with you !!  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 10:57 PM   #139 
  - We can assume you're a man, then?  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:48 PM   #113 
  - Well, in fairness it wasn't asked, til now.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:50 PM   #119 
  - No.I am a woman . oh well  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:38 PM   #195 
  - you need to be posting on some other board , I think  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 10:51 PM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-05 10:53 PM   #125 
  - do not give up n/t  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:27 PM   #180 
  - I don't know if you are religious but  FreedomAngel82   Sep-29-05 10:56 PM   #134 
  - What would Bill " Book Of Virtues" Bennett say?  LiviaOlivia   Sep-29-05 11:03 PM   #154 
  - a fetus cannot sustain it's own life outside the woman's body  tocqueville   Sep-29-05 11:09 PM   #161 
  - we do, under certain circumstances.  Scout   Sep-29-05 11:22 PM   #174 
  - Obviously you have never been pregnant  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:33 PM   #186 
  - If you can't figure it out to your own satisfaction, DON'T HAVE ONE  kestrel91316   Sep-29-05 11:54 PM   #204 
  - That's the point...  SaveElmer   Sep-29-05 11:03 PM   # 
  - i so agree  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:36 PM   #193 
  - That's the point...  SaveElmer   Sep-29-05 11:03 PM   #153 
  - Thank you. That's all that needs to be said.  Synnical   Sep-29-05 11:07 PM   #160 
  - .  alphafemale   Sep-29-05 10:00 PM   #2 
  - LOL!  Lex   Sep-29-05 10:02 PM   #3 
  - Got mine popping...  longship   Sep-29-05 10:02 PM   #4 
  - Munching away...  nonconformist   Sep-29-05 10:35 PM   #83 
  - Me too.  Cleita   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   # 
  - Yeah, this one will need popcorn.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #6 
  - Just one?  Rabrrrrrr   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #7 
  - Damn you people!  StellaBlue   Sep-29-05 10:38 PM   #91 
  - how about the life of the mother?  still_one   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #5 
  - Exactly  GRLMGC   Sep-29-05 10:04 PM   #13 
  - If both parents are known to carry the recessive  smoogatz   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #8 
  - Good one!  peace frog   Sep-29-05 10:04 PM   #15 
  - Under what circumstances is it moral to deny a  shraby   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #9 
  - Under NO circumstance is that moral, ethical, or constitutional.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:05 PM   #17 
  - Ahh - another MAN telling a WOMAN what she can or can't do with HER OWN  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:53 PM   #124 
     - Read that again.  benburch   Sep-29-05 11:05 PM   #159 
     - I am interested  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:37 PM   #194 
  - depends of the definition of medical procedure  tocqueville   Sep-29-05 10:24 PM   #56 
  - Hmmm  jim3775   Sep-29-05 10:03 PM   #11 
  - .  really annoyed   Sep-29-05 10:04 PM   #12 
  - Under what circumstances is it immoral?  marbuc   Sep-29-05 10:04 PM   #14 
  - I argue that until live birth, a fetus is not a human being.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:08 PM   #21 
     - Gosh...I can't agree with that at all...and I'm pro choice, big time!  TwoSparkles   Sep-29-05 10:15 PM   #38 
     - I believe it is OK right up until the woman is in labor...  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:19 PM   #48 
     - ...but it IS a human being...  TwoSparkles   Sep-29-05 10:42 PM   #101 
        - Nope - the WOMAN - the person who came FIRST - is the "human being"  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:55 PM   #130 
           - No, actually--a fetus is a human being...  TwoSparkles   Sep-29-05 11:01 PM   #147 
     - How about....  readmoreoften   Sep-29-05 10:25 PM   #59 
     - That is almost the only circumstance under which...  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:29 PM   #66 
     - What if live birth is induced?  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #75 
        - If you have a child born alive, whether induced or not...  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:36 PM   #84 
        - No, my question is, can they FORCE a woman to induce rather than  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-29-05 10:38 PM   #94 
           - Late term abortions are very rare and most doctors will not do them...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:43 PM   #104 
           - That's not what I'm saying...  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-29-05 10:46 PM   #109 
              - They want to force the woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:50 PM   #118 
              - Yes, but these are hypocrites, remember...  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:53 PM   #126 
                 - I don't think they would...they abhor science...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:57 PM   #136 
              - Not once they hear the medical bills involved in such a situation....  colinmom71   Sep-29-05 11:27 PM   #181 
           - Clearly NO!  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:47 PM   #110 
        - Well, medical consent laws demand that the pregnant woman....  colinmom71   Sep-29-05 11:17 PM   #170 
     - In those circumstances they usually know fairly early on...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:38 PM   #90 
     - again, who are these 8 and 9 month elective terminations?  wellstone_democrat   Sep-29-05 10:49 PM   #115 
     - before I was educated about late term abortion...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:55 PM   #131 
     - if someone just decided--a week before her due date--that she wants an abo  Scout   Sep-29-05 11:34 PM   #189 
     - Exactly right, it's a straw man injected into the discussion to promote  WildClarySage   Sep-29-05 11:54 PM   #203 
     - Gee, I didn't know women could just get an abortion ANY TIME  kestrel91316   Sep-30-05 12:08 AM   #211 
     - That changes for me in the latter part of the pregnancy...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:20 PM   #50 
     - It is because that is a slippery slope, that I would not restrict!  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:24 PM   #57 
        - The earliest a baby can survive is 23 weeks.  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-29-05 10:30 PM   #70 
        - I've heard of a few surviving at 20 weeks...but it's so rare n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #73 
           - I've heard 23-24 weeks..  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-29-05 10:37 PM   #86 
              - In france they are working on fully artificial wombs for cattle breeding.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:39 PM   #95 
              - Yeah, sounds nice in premise...  colinmom71   Sep-29-05 11:40 PM   #197 
              - It does boil down to lung development...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:40 PM   #96 
              - But as soon as they can hook up an atificial placenta to the umbilicus...  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:41 PM   #100 
                 - Lungs do move in the uterus...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:45 PM   #106 
                    - They have all that under development right now.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:49 PM   #114 
                       - Do you have a source for this? I'm curious about it. n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:50 PM   #121 
                          - I read science news blurb about this some time back.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:56 PM   #133 
                             - Google shows other efforts.  benburch   Sep-29-05 11:00 PM   #144 
                             - Fascinating article!  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 11:01 PM   #149 
                                - The Japanese technique was in a plastic tank...  benburch   Sep-29-05 11:04 PM   #157 
                                   - Here is the story on the japanese effort...  benburch   Sep-29-05 11:11 PM   #163 
              - Dont' worry so much about "weeks:  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:23 PM   #176 
        - I agree...law has no place in the decision...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:31 PM   # 
           - Just so.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:40 PM   #97 
              - Yes n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:45 PM   #108 
     - I use slightly different semantics ...............  kestrel91316   Sep-30-05 12:05 AM   #210 
  - The morality of a sentient being to determine their own destiny  intheflow   Sep-29-05 10:04 PM   #16 
  - "Under what circumstances is another persons decision  niallmac   Sep-29-05 10:07 PM   #18 
  - Sorry, but until there is a functional brain present its optional surgery  Az   Sep-29-05 10:07 PM   #19 
  - will that answers the question I had about bush  still_one   Sep-29-05 10:09 PM   #22 
     - Heh  Az   Sep-29-05 10:10 PM   #24 
     - yup, but your answer was actually quite poetic  still_one   Sep-29-05 10:11 PM   #29 
     - rotflmao!!!  LynnTheDem   Sep-29-05 10:37 PM   #87 
  - Isn't this question tied directly to the (personal) belief of when life  salin   Sep-29-05 10:08 PM   #20 
  - I guess it depends on whose morals we are talking about  Horse with no Name   Sep-29-05 10:10 PM   #23 
  - Under any circumstances and it's none of your damn business  NYC Liberal   Sep-29-05 10:10 PM   #25 
  - well, any abortion that would have saved the planet from the bush family  Raster   Sep-29-05 10:10 PM   #26 
  - I love jiffypop  Raster   Sep-29-05 10:11 PM   #28 
  - That's up to the pregnant woman (and who she freely consults) to decide  LSdemocrat   Sep-29-05 10:13 PM   #30 
  - Are You  CHIMO   Sep-29-05 10:13 PM   #31 
  - You can't think of ANY?  smoogatz   Sep-29-05 10:13 PM   #32 
  - Well, besides the product of rape or incest  Inland   Sep-29-05 10:19 PM   #47 
     - Bingo.  smoogatz   Sep-29-05 10:21 PM   #52 
        - This hits it on the nail.  readmoreoften   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #76 
  - What is your definition of moral?  Cleita   Sep-29-05 10:13 PM   #33 
  - Having the government decide reproductive freedom is immoral  zulchzulu   Sep-29-05 10:13 PM   #34 
  - Nothing plausible......except rape and incest, See how easy that was?  Inland   Sep-29-05 10:14 PM   #35 
  - while I share the belief that abortion is a very personal  Bluerthanblue   Sep-29-05 11:05 PM   #158 
  - And the HIT and RUN award goes to:  Raster   Sep-29-05 10:15 PM   # 
  - "Our waspy friend" also wins the fishing tounament n/t  jim3775   Sep-29-05 10:16 PM   #41 
  - 75 posts and two prestigious awards. My oh my...  Raster   Sep-29-05 10:20 PM   #49 
  - I'm still here  yellowjacket7   Sep-29-05 10:21 PM   #51 
     - The "morality" of abortion is subjective anyway  NYC Liberal   Sep-29-05 10:31 PM   #71 
     - What's the "moral argument" against abortion?  smoogatz   Sep-29-05 10:36 PM   #85 
     - How about obligatory blood marrow donations then?  alphafemale   Sep-29-05 10:40 PM   #98 
     - define morality  tocqueville   Sep-29-05 10:41 PM   #99 
     - Yeah - we noticed, unfortunately.  TankLV   Sep-29-05 11:02 PM   #150 
     - it's been answered plenty  Scout   Sep-29-05 11:47 PM   #200 
  - When the fetus is so compromised  elfin   Sep-29-05 10:15 PM   #36 
  - Dupe - delte  elfin   Sep-29-05 10:15 PM   #37 
  - Defending the survival of existing children  LisaLL   Sep-29-05 10:15 PM   #39 
  - For You Or Her?  stepnw1f   Sep-29-05 10:16 PM   #40 
  - The Question Is Meaningless, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-29-05 10:16 PM   #42 
  - THIS IS FLAMEBAIT  omega minimo   Sep-29-05 10:23 PM   #55 
  - Amen.  benburch   Sep-29-05 10:31 PM   #72 
  - That is not for me to decide for you. Nor is it for you to decide for me.  havocmom   Sep-29-05 10:17 PM   #43 
  - Only the woman can decide the morality for herself...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 10:17 PM   #44 
  - THE MORALITY IS: IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION UNTIL IT IS  omega minimo   Sep-29-05 10:17 PM   #45 
  - The following is only a personal belief:  distantearlywarning   Sep-29-05 10:22 PM   #53 
  - Isn't personal freedom a moral standpoint?  amBushed   Sep-29-05 10:22 PM   #54 
  - Freedom = Moral in any case?  distantearlywarning   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #78 
     - Of course not. Don't be absurd.  amBushed   Sep-29-05 11:04 PM   #155 
        - Sorry, but I disagree.  distantearlywarning   Sep-29-05 11:17 PM   #169 
  - Here is a thought for you  tamtam   Sep-29-05 10:25 PM   #60 
  - It's a medical procedure  CoolOnion   Sep-29-05 10:26 PM   #61 
  - It is none of your damned business -- this is a matter of PRIVACY  DELUSIONAL   Sep-29-05 10:27 PM   #63 
  - must say I never understood the argument of privacy in that case  tocqueville   Sep-29-05 10:53 PM   #127 
     - To the contrary: that law permits it does not diminsh the privacy.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 11:00 PM   #146 
        - "if a woman can find a doctor willing to perform the procedure"  tocqueville   Sep-29-05 11:24 PM   #178 
  - The moral standpoint is autonomy over one's own body. That is more  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 10:28 PM   #65 
  - LOL So who exactly is consenting to your idea of what is moral?  Solly Mack   Sep-29-05 10:30 PM   #67 
  - Okay, abortion is wrong. Let's go to the next question.  readmoreoften   Sep-29-05 10:56 PM   #132 
     - What do you mean by this comment?  Solly Mack   Sep-29-05 11:16 PM   #167 
        - The comment is meant for the OP, sorry.  readmoreoften   Sep-29-05 11:33 PM   #188 
           - Okies! Got it! Thank you!  Solly Mack   Sep-29-05 11:36 PM   #192 
  - How is someone else's abortion your problem?  devilgrrl   Sep-29-05 10:32 PM   #74 
  - Oh boy  pro_blue_guy   Sep-29-05 10:35 PM   #81 
  - Well, your last paragraph  FlaGranny   Sep-29-05 11:42 PM   #198 
  - When it's a dog fetus!  StellaBlue   Sep-29-05 10:35 PM   #82 
  - You should ask George W. Bush.  cat_girl25   Sep-29-05 10:37 PM   #89 
  - in what way is it immoral?  lionesspriyanka   Sep-29-05 10:38 PM   #92 
  - Under what circumstance is it not moral?  CornField   Sep-29-05 10:38 PM   #93 
  - Abortion has a long history  Coyote_Bandit   Sep-29-05 10:42 PM   #102 
  - Who cares - it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a woman does  TankLV   Sep-29-05 10:47 PM   #111 
  - Okay, it's a moral decision to have an abortion when  blonndee   Sep-29-05 10:47 PM   #112 
  - What about physical abuse?  FreedomAngel82   Sep-29-05 10:52 PM   #123 
  - Could someone please get me the bunny/pancake picture?  missb   Sep-29-05 10:54 PM   #128 
  - What are your morals? You cite incest and rape.  nonconformist   Sep-29-05 10:56 PM   #135 
  - Whenever a woman decides she wants to get one for any reason.  bearfan454   Sep-29-05 10:57 PM   #137 
  - Just because women are capable of conception  redwitch   Sep-29-05 10:57 PM   #138 
  - Perfect response IMO....WE WON'T GO BACK!  erinlough   Sep-29-05 11:01 PM   #148 
  - If Roe is reversed, I predict riots. . .  brensgrrl   Sep-29-05 11:55 PM   #205 
  - Just out of curiosity, do you think WAR is moral?  CoolOnion   Sep-29-05 10:58 PM   #141 
  - I think a popular conservative view...  4nic8em   Sep-29-05 10:58 PM   #142 
  - If you view abortion from a "moral" point of view  ccbombs   Sep-29-05 10:58 PM   #143 
  - Try having one n/t  boilerbabe   Sep-29-05 11:00 PM   #145 
  - No, no, no  electron_blue   Sep-29-05 11:02 PM   #152 
  - What moral standpoint exists for interfering with the right to bodily  WildClarySage   Sep-29-05 11:12 PM   #165 
  - Okay heres for me  DanCa   Sep-29-05 11:17 PM   #171 
  - I can't believe this thread is still up!  Cleita   Sep-29-05 11:20 PM   #172 
  - I hope my answer wasn't offensive. (nt)  DanCa   Sep-29-05 11:26 PM   #179 
     - Not at all.  missb   Sep-29-05 11:53 PM   #202 
     - No you weren't offensive .  Cleita   Sep-29-05 11:55 PM   #206 
        - Agreed i am just so tired of the moral one upmanship.  DanCa   Sep-30-05 12:03 AM   #209 
  - i don't see how it's IMmoral!  genevat   Sep-29-05 11:21 PM   #173 
  - is it moral to force a woman to bear an unwanted pregnancy?  thedailyshow   Sep-29-05 11:24 PM   #177 
  - Until we reduce or eliminate the non-choice killing of non-fetuses...  Dr Fate   Sep-29-05 11:28 PM   #183 
  - if you consider abortion to be immoral-  MarsThe Cat   Sep-29-05 11:30 PM   #184 
  - Since America is 50-50 on this issue...  SnoopDog   Sep-29-05 11:35 PM   #191 
  - I don't have a uterus  impeachdubya   Sep-29-05 11:44 PM   #199 
  - If you can't figure it out, then you'd better be sure to never have one  kestrel91316   Sep-29-05 11:52 PM   #201 
  - Locking  The Magistrate   Sep-30-05 12:08 AM   #212 
 

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