yellowjacket7
(84 posts)
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Thu Sep-29-05 10:58 PM
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| Under what cirumstance is abortion moral? I've always thought about this |
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I still can't come up with something plausible. Seems to me abortions are undertaken not from a moral point of view but maybe more from a financial point of view. With the exception of incest or rape, what moral standpoints are there for abortion?
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 Under what cirumstance is abortion moral? I've always thought about this |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 10:58 PM |
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Under any circumstance. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:00 PM |
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Well said! |
LynnTheDem |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Thanks! |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:11 PM |
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Exactly |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-29-05 11:55 PM |
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Stupid MFers seem to think there were no abortions until it was legal |
LynnTheDem |
Sep-30-05 12:09 AM |
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They know that... |
benburch |
Sep-30-05 12:34 AM |
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Amen |
RPM |
Sep-29-05 11:19 PM |
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So you say a fetus is not a person |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 11:24 PM |
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When it draws breath. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:26 PM |
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That's between the WOMAN and her DOCTOR. |
LynnTheDem |
Sep-29-05 11:27 PM |
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Exactly! |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:30 PM |
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So what is the moral argument here? |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 11:30 PM |
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Why should we have to? |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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At 8 or 8 months, it is still a fetus? |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 11:35 PM |
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It ought to be lawful up to time of live birth. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:37 PM |
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pregnancy termination at 9 mons is called "delivery" |
wellstone_democrat |
Sep-29-05 11:42 PM |
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or eight minutes? |
salin |
Sep-29-05 11:44 PM |
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LOL! Pregnancy IS terminated at nine months! |
CoolOnion |
Sep-29-05 11:45 PM |
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Most pregnancies are naturally terminated |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 11:49 PM |
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Well what about a ceasarian section then? |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-29-05 11:57 PM |
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And what about in-vitro fertilization? |
CoolOnion |
Sep-30-05 12:02 AM |
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Yes, that's physically induced |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-30-05 12:04 AM |
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As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Sep-30-05 12:12 AM |
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Oohhh, that's why you are a moderator |
Raster |
Sep-30-05 12:33 AM |
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You said physical termination rather than natural termination. |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-30-05 12:31 AM |
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Pregnancies are automatically terminated when a baby is born. |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:50 PM |
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Sep-30-05 12:14 AM |
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Some silly, stupid people here can't seem to figure out that |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 12:58 AM |
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WHOSE "morality"? Yours? Mine? |
LynnTheDem |
Sep-29-05 11:34 PM |
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thank you |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:28 AM |
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NO! |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:49 PM |
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It's none of your business. THAT'S the morality. |
Lindacooks |
Sep-30-05 12:17 AM |
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well then , you should not expose yourself on theDU hunny! |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:40 AM |
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there isn't one. n/t |
Scout |
Sep-30-05 12:23 AM |
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We don't have to give you anything Who the f--- are YOU? |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 12:55 AM |
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I agree with you !! |
boilerbabe |
Sep-29-05 11:57 PM |
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We can assume you're a man, then? |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:48 PM |
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Well, in fairness it wasn't asked, til now. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:50 PM |
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No.I am a woman . oh well |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:38 AM |
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you need to be posting on some other board , I think |
boilerbabe |
Sep-29-05 11:51 PM |
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Sep-29-05 11:53 PM |
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do not give up n/t |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:27 AM |
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I don't know if you are religious but |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-29-05 11:56 PM |
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What would Bill " Book Of Virtues" Bennett say? |
LiviaOlivia |
Sep-30-05 12:03 AM |
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a fetus cannot sustain it's own life outside the woman's body |
tocqueville |
Sep-30-05 12:09 AM |
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we do, under certain circumstances. |
Scout |
Sep-30-05 12:22 AM |
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Obviously you have never been pregnant |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:33 AM |
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If you can't figure it out to your own satisfaction, DON'T HAVE ONE |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 12:54 AM |
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That's the point... |
SaveElmer |
Sep-30-05 12:03 AM |
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i so agree |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:36 AM |
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That's the point... |
SaveElmer |
Sep-30-05 12:03 AM |
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Thank you. That's all that needs to be said. |
Synnical |
Sep-30-05 12:07 AM |
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alphafemale |
Sep-29-05 11:00 PM |
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LOL! |
Lex |
Sep-29-05 11:02 PM |
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Got mine popping... |
longship |
Sep-29-05 11:02 PM |
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Munching away... |
nonconformist |
Sep-29-05 11:35 PM |
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Me too. |
Cleita |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Yeah, this one will need popcorn. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Just one? |
Rabrrrrrr |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Damn you people! |
StellaBlue |
Sep-29-05 11:38 PM |
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how about the life of the mother? |
still_one |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Exactly |
GRLMGC |
Sep-29-05 11:04 PM |
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If both parents are known to carry the recessive |
smoogatz |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Good one! |
peace frog |
Sep-29-05 11:04 PM |
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Under what circumstances is it moral to deny a |
shraby |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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Under NO circumstance is that moral, ethical, or constitutional. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:05 PM |
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Ahh - another MAN telling a WOMAN what she can or can't do with HER OWN |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:53 PM |
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Read that again. |
benburch |
Sep-30-05 12:05 AM |
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I am interested |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:37 AM |
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depends of the definition of medical procedure |
tocqueville |
Sep-29-05 11:24 PM |
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Hmmm |
jim3775 |
Sep-29-05 11:03 PM |
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really annoyed |
Sep-29-05 11:04 PM |
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Under what circumstances is it immoral? |
marbuc |
Sep-29-05 11:04 PM |
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I argue that until live birth, a fetus is not a human being. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:08 PM |
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Gosh...I can't agree with that at all...and I'm pro choice, big time! |
TwoSparkles |
Sep-29-05 11:15 PM |
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I believe it is OK right up until the woman is in labor... |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:19 PM |
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...but it IS a human being... |
TwoSparkles |
Sep-29-05 11:42 PM |
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Nope - the WOMAN - the person who came FIRST - is the "human being" |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:55 PM |
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No, actually--a fetus is a human being... |
TwoSparkles |
Sep-30-05 12:01 AM |
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How about.... |
readmoreoften |
Sep-29-05 11:25 PM |
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That is almost the only circumstance under which... |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:29 PM |
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What if live birth is induced? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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If you have a child born alive, whether induced or not... |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:36 PM |
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No, my question is, can they FORCE a woman to induce rather than |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-29-05 11:38 PM |
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Late term abortions are very rare and most doctors will not do them... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:43 PM |
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That's not what I'm saying... |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-29-05 11:46 PM |
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They want to force the woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:50 PM |
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Yes, but these are hypocrites, remember... |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:53 PM |
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I don't think they would...they abhor science... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:57 PM |
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Not once they hear the medical bills involved in such a situation.... |
colinmom71 |
Sep-30-05 12:27 AM |
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Clearly NO! |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:47 PM |
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Well, medical consent laws demand that the pregnant woman.... |
colinmom71 |
Sep-30-05 12:17 AM |
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In those circumstances they usually know fairly early on... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:38 PM |
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again, who are these 8 and 9 month elective terminations? |
wellstone_democrat |
Sep-29-05 11:49 PM |
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before I was educated about late term abortion... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:55 PM |
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if someone just decided--a week before her due date--that she wants an abo |
Scout |
Sep-30-05 12:34 AM |
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Exactly right, it's a straw man injected into the discussion to promote |
WildClarySage |
Sep-30-05 12:54 AM |
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Gee, I didn't know women could just get an abortion ANY TIME |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 01:08 AM |
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That changes for me in the latter part of the pregnancy... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:20 PM |
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It is because that is a slippery slope, that I would not restrict! |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:24 PM |
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The earliest a baby can survive is 23 weeks. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-29-05 11:30 PM |
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I've heard of a few surviving at 20 weeks...but it's so rare n/t |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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I've heard 23-24 weeks.. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-29-05 11:37 PM |
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In france they are working on fully artificial wombs for cattle breeding. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:39 PM |
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Yeah, sounds nice in premise... |
colinmom71 |
Sep-30-05 12:40 AM |
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It does boil down to lung development... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:40 PM |
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But as soon as they can hook up an atificial placenta to the umbilicus... |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:41 PM |
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Lungs do move in the uterus... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:45 PM |
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They have all that under development right now. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:49 PM |
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Do you have a source for this? I'm curious about it. n/t |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:50 PM |
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I read science news blurb about this some time back. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:56 PM |
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Google shows other efforts. |
benburch |
Sep-30-05 12:00 AM |
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Fascinating article! |
cynatnite |
Sep-30-05 12:01 AM |
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The Japanese technique was in a plastic tank... |
benburch |
Sep-30-05 12:04 AM |
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Here is the story on the japanese effort... |
benburch |
Sep-30-05 12:11 AM |
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Dont' worry so much about "weeks: |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:23 AM |
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I agree...law has no place in the decision... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:31 PM |
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Just so. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:40 PM |
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Yes n/t |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:45 PM |
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I use slightly different semantics ............... |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 01:05 AM |
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The morality of a sentient being to determine their own destiny |
intheflow |
Sep-29-05 11:04 PM |
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"Under what circumstances is another persons decision |
niallmac |
Sep-29-05 11:07 PM |
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Sorry, but until there is a functional brain present its optional surgery |
Az |
Sep-29-05 11:07 PM |
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will that answers the question I had about bush |
still_one |
Sep-29-05 11:09 PM |
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Heh |
Az |
Sep-29-05 11:10 PM |
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yup, but your answer was actually quite poetic |
still_one |
Sep-29-05 11:11 PM |
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rotflmao!!! |
LynnTheDem |
Sep-29-05 11:37 PM |
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Isn't this question tied directly to the (personal) belief of when life |
salin |
Sep-29-05 11:08 PM |
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I guess it depends on whose morals we are talking about |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-29-05 11:10 PM |
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Under any circumstances and it's none of your damn business |
NYC Liberal |
Sep-29-05 11:10 PM |
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well, any abortion that would have saved the planet from the bush family |
Raster |
Sep-29-05 11:10 PM |
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I love jiffypop |
Raster |
Sep-29-05 11:11 PM |
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That's up to the pregnant woman (and who she freely consults) to decide |
LSdemocrat |
Sep-29-05 11:13 PM |
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Are You |
CHIMO |
Sep-29-05 11:13 PM |
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You can't think of ANY? |
smoogatz |
Sep-29-05 11:13 PM |
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Well, besides the product of rape or incest |
Inland |
Sep-29-05 11:19 PM |
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Bingo. |
smoogatz |
Sep-29-05 11:21 PM |
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This hits it on the nail. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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What is your definition of moral? |
Cleita |
Sep-29-05 11:13 PM |
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Having the government decide reproductive freedom is immoral |
zulchzulu |
Sep-29-05 11:13 PM |
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Nothing plausible......except rape and incest, See how easy that was? |
Inland |
Sep-29-05 11:14 PM |
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while I share the belief that abortion is a very personal |
Bluerthanblue |
Sep-30-05 12:05 AM |
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And the HIT and RUN award goes to: |
Raster |
Sep-29-05 11:15 PM |
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"Our waspy friend" also wins the fishing tounament n/t |
jim3775 |
Sep-29-05 11:16 PM |
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75 posts and two prestigious awards. My oh my... |
Raster |
Sep-29-05 11:20 PM |
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I'm still here |
yellowjacket7 |
Sep-29-05 11:21 PM |
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The "morality" of abortion is subjective anyway |
NYC Liberal |
Sep-29-05 11:31 PM |
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What's the "moral argument" against abortion? |
smoogatz |
Sep-29-05 11:36 PM |
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How about obligatory blood marrow donations then? |
alphafemale |
Sep-29-05 11:40 PM |
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define morality |
tocqueville |
Sep-29-05 11:41 PM |
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Yeah - we noticed, unfortunately. |
TankLV |
Sep-30-05 12:02 AM |
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it's been answered plenty |
Scout |
Sep-30-05 12:47 AM |
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When the fetus is so compromised |
elfin |
Sep-29-05 11:15 PM |
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Dupe - delte |
elfin |
Sep-29-05 11:15 PM |
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Defending the survival of existing children |
LisaLL |
Sep-29-05 11:15 PM |
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For You Or Her? |
stepnw1f |
Sep-29-05 11:16 PM |
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The Question Is Meaningless, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Sep-29-05 11:16 PM |
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THIS IS FLAMEBAIT |
omega minimo |
Sep-29-05 11:23 PM |
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Amen. |
benburch |
Sep-29-05 11:31 PM |
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That is not for me to decide for you. Nor is it for you to decide for me. |
havocmom |
Sep-29-05 11:17 PM |
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Only the woman can decide the morality for herself... |
cynatnite |
Sep-29-05 11:17 PM |
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THE MORALITY IS: IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION UNTIL IT IS |
omega minimo |
Sep-29-05 11:17 PM |
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The following is only a personal belief: |
distantearlywarning |
Sep-29-05 11:22 PM |
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Isn't personal freedom a moral standpoint? |
amBushed |
Sep-29-05 11:22 PM |
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Freedom = Moral in any case? |
distantearlywarning |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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Of course not. Don't be absurd. |
amBushed |
Sep-30-05 12:04 AM |
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Sorry, but I disagree. |
distantearlywarning |
Sep-30-05 12:17 AM |
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Here is a thought for you |
tamtam |
Sep-29-05 11:25 PM |
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It's a medical procedure |
CoolOnion |
Sep-29-05 11:26 PM |
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It is none of your damned business -- this is a matter of PRIVACY |
DELUSIONAL |
Sep-29-05 11:27 PM |
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must say I never understood the argument of privacy in that case |
tocqueville |
Sep-29-05 11:53 PM |
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To the contrary: that law permits it does not diminsh the privacy. |
mondo joe |
Sep-30-05 12:00 AM |
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"if a woman can find a doctor willing to perform the procedure" |
tocqueville |
Sep-30-05 12:24 AM |
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The moral standpoint is autonomy over one's own body. That is more |
mondo joe |
Sep-29-05 11:28 PM |
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LOL So who exactly is consenting to your idea of what is moral? |
Solly Mack |
Sep-29-05 11:30 PM |
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Okay, abortion is wrong. Let's go to the next question. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-29-05 11:56 PM |
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What do you mean by this comment? |
Solly Mack |
Sep-30-05 12:16 AM |
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The comment is meant for the OP, sorry. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-30-05 12:33 AM |
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Okies! Got it! Thank you! |
Solly Mack |
Sep-30-05 12:36 AM |
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How is someone else's abortion your problem? |
devilgrrl |
Sep-29-05 11:32 PM |
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Oh boy |
pro_blue_guy |
Sep-29-05 11:35 PM |
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Well, your last paragraph |
FlaGranny |
Sep-30-05 12:42 AM |
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When it's a dog fetus! |
StellaBlue |
Sep-29-05 11:35 PM |
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You should ask George W. Bush. |
cat_girl25 |
Sep-29-05 11:37 PM |
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in what way is it immoral? |
lionesspriyanka |
Sep-29-05 11:38 PM |
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Under what circumstance is it not moral? |
CornField |
Sep-29-05 11:38 PM |
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Abortion has a long history |
Coyote_Bandit |
Sep-29-05 11:42 PM |
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Who cares - it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a woman does |
TankLV |
Sep-29-05 11:47 PM |
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Okay, it's a moral decision to have an abortion when |
blonndee |
Sep-29-05 11:47 PM |
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What about physical abuse? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-29-05 11:52 PM |
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Could someone please get me the bunny/pancake picture? |
missb |
Sep-29-05 11:54 PM |
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What are your morals? You cite incest and rape. |
nonconformist |
Sep-29-05 11:56 PM |
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Whenever a woman decides she wants to get one for any reason. |
bearfan454 |
Sep-29-05 11:57 PM |
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Just because women are capable of conception |
redwitch |
Sep-29-05 11:57 PM |
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Perfect response IMO....WE WON'T GO BACK! |
erinlough |
Sep-30-05 12:01 AM |
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If Roe is reversed, I predict riots. . . |
brensgrrl |
Sep-30-05 12:55 AM |
#205 |
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Just out of curiosity, do you think WAR is moral? |
CoolOnion |
Sep-29-05 11:58 PM |
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I think a popular conservative view... |
4nic8em |
Sep-29-05 11:58 PM |
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If you view abortion from a "moral" point of view |
ccbombs |
Sep-29-05 11:58 PM |
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Try having one n/t |
boilerbabe |
Sep-30-05 12:00 AM |
#145 |
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No, no, no |
electron_blue |
Sep-30-05 12:02 AM |
#152 |
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What moral standpoint exists for interfering with the right to bodily |
WildClarySage |
Sep-30-05 12:12 AM |
#165 |
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Okay heres for me |
DanCa |
Sep-30-05 12:17 AM |
#171 |
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I can't believe this thread is still up! |
Cleita |
Sep-30-05 12:20 AM |
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I hope my answer wasn't offensive. (nt) |
DanCa |
Sep-30-05 12:26 AM |
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Not at all. |
missb |
Sep-30-05 12:53 AM |
#202 |
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No you weren't offensive . |
Cleita |
Sep-30-05 12:55 AM |
#206 |
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Agreed i am just so tired of the moral one upmanship. |
DanCa |
Sep-30-05 01:03 AM |
#209 |
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i don't see how it's IMmoral! |
genevat |
Sep-30-05 12:21 AM |
#173 |
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is it moral to force a woman to bear an unwanted pregnancy? |
thedailyshow |
Sep-30-05 12:24 AM |
#177 |
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Until we reduce or eliminate the non-choice killing of non-fetuses... |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-05 12:28 AM |
#183 |
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if you consider abortion to be immoral- |
MarsThe Cat |
Sep-30-05 12:30 AM |
#184 |
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Since America is 50-50 on this issue... |
SnoopDog |
Sep-30-05 12:35 AM |
#191 |
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I don't have a uterus |
impeachdubya |
Sep-30-05 12:44 AM |
#199 |
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If you can't figure it out, then you'd better be sure to never have one |
kestrel91316 |
Sep-30-05 12:52 AM |
#201 |
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Locking |
The Magistrate |
Sep-30-05 01:08 AM |
#212 |
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