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134. Game, Set and Match, libnnc!
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  -Opponents of outing - homophobic? baby_mouse  Sep-29-05 12:41 PM   #0 
  - what if these people who are closeted  libnnc   Sep-29-05 12:47 PM   #1 
  - Privacy?  TallahasseeGrannie   Sep-29-05 12:48 PM   #2 
  - If we adopt privacy as a basic right, yes, then.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 12:55 PM   #8 
  - Except public officials don't have the same level  Norquist Nemesis   Sep-29-05 01:54 PM   #70 
  - my opinion as well n/t  knowbody0   Sep-29-05 12:50 PM   #3 
  - I agree. They're not exposing someone for being gay  nonconformist   Sep-29-05 12:52 PM   #4 
  - Not sure I agree  comsymp   Sep-29-05 12:52 PM   #5 
  - Subtle distinction worth making, but do we PANDER, my precious?  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:00 PM   #11 
     - Well, I don't see it as pandering- and certainly don't advocate kid gloves  comsymp   Sep-30-05 07:25 AM   #213 
  - if nothing is wrong with being gay, why are they closeted to  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 12:53 PM   #6 
  - sorry, I don't agree with you  northzax   Sep-29-05 12:54 PM   #7 
  - Shrug.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:01 PM   #12 
  - Newsflash: being gay isn't a "sexual habit".  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:37 PM   #38 
  - fine, poor word choice.  northzax   Sep-29-05 01:52 PM   #65 
  - Married people wear wedding rings  titoresque   Sep-29-05 02:06 PM   #101 
  - I know several gay couples who wear wedding rings  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:15 PM   #111 
  - Their orientation need not be stated. "Candidate X is known  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:10 PM   #108 
  - LOL!!  titoresque   Sep-29-05 01:58 PM   #84 
  - The hypocrisy of people like Drier and his idiot party IS IMPORTANT  Carni   Sep-29-05 02:00 PM   #87 
     - how do you know he's gay?  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:04 PM   #98 
        - Isn't that what the tone was to this thread? Drier being gay?  Carni   Sep-29-05 02:16 PM   #112 
           - name one piece of legislation  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:20 PM   #115 
  - Gay isn't the issue, hypocisy is. Outing people about anything,  John Q. Citizen   Sep-29-05 12:56 PM   #9 
  - Hypocrisy always deserves exposure  TallahasseeGrannie   Sep-29-05 12:59 PM   #10 
  - Bingo!  Behind the Aegis   Sep-29-05 01:04 PM   #13 
  - Warg!  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:09 PM   #16 
     - Yup...  Behind the Aegis   Sep-29-05 02:03 PM   #95 
  - that's a different scenario  northzax   Sep-29-05 01:08 PM   #14 
  - Strokes chin. I suppose not...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:13 PM   #18 
  - its not just "gay marriage"  libnnc   Sep-29-05 01:20 PM   #24 
  - Nothing wrong with the press revealing who politicians are -  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:35 PM   #35 
  - so, the press should have something like this?  northzax   Sep-29-05 01:48 PM   #56 
     - I don't know - does the press typically give out little profiles  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:02 PM   #92 
        - sure, you see little bios all the time  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:09 PM   #105 
           - "single" doesn't mean hetero- or homosexual  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:34 PM   #128 
  - No, there is no handbook on integrity. Just a bunch of people.  John Q. Citizen   Sep-29-05 02:32 PM   #125 
  - dupe-deleted  northzax   Sep-29-05 01:08 PM   #15 
  - Outing is a problem because it's an invasion of privacy.  kdpeters   Sep-29-05 01:11 PM   #17 
  - we are NOT talking about the average gay person..  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 01:14 PM   #20 
  - There is no guarantee of privacy in politics.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:30 PM   #29 
  - If they were a right winger pushing a homophobic agenda  Carni   Sep-29-05 02:08 PM   #104 
  - sexuallity is private...thats why outing is wrong  lionesspriyanka   Sep-29-05 01:14 PM   #19 
  - so you think closeted gay politicians who promote anti gay  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 01:17 PM   #23 
  - no i dont think they should be given a pass  lionesspriyanka   Sep-29-05 01:20 PM   #25 
     - of course, generally speaking, i am against outing..  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 01:35 PM   #34 
        - i agree with you completely  lionesspriyanka   Sep-29-05 01:40 PM   #42 
        - if I were outed in the navy, my life could have been in danger.  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 01:46 PM   #54 
           - ???  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:50 PM   #60 
              - you never heard of allen schindler?  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 02:51 PM   #140 
                 - Blick.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 02:59 PM   #145 
        - Mainly I feel it panders to the idea that homosexuality is icky and weird  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:46 PM   #53 
           - We're not made of sugar - we won't melt!  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:49 PM   #58 
              - It's because we're VERY VERY WEIRD.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:58 PM   #83 
  - Being gay is not just sexuality. It's family life and more.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:33 PM   #32 
     - umm i know what being gay is...  lionesspriyanka   Sep-29-05 01:37 PM   #36 
  - There is nothing wrong with being gay. Those who are and say they are not  HypnoToad   Sep-29-05 01:15 PM   #21 
  - internalized homophobia  butchcjg   Sep-29-05 04:04 PM   #184 
  - I think people get confused about what you're laughing at  tavalon   Sep-29-05 01:15 PM   #22 
  - I laugh at myself, too! In my defense. Dahlink.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:28 PM   #28 
  - Outing someone who does not want to be outed just isn't right...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:25 PM   #26 
  - even if they're a powerful politician who  libnnc   Sep-29-05 01:27 PM   #27 
  - It doesn't make the outing right...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:37 PM   #37 
     - I think the press informing the electorate makes it right.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:40 PM   #43 
     - Justify it how you see fit...I'll never agree with it.  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:42 PM   #48 
        - That's okay - if you want a press that keeps secrets for politicians  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:46 PM   #52 
           - Personal lives shouldn't be screwed with at all...no justification...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:49 PM   #57 
              - Really? So segregationist Strom Thurmond's black daughter  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:50 PM   #59 
                 - That's correct...it's their personal life and not for the public.  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:52 PM   #63 
                    - Why? Because they are accountable to the public and you are not.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:55 PM   #72 
                       - I will defend anyone's right to privacy n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:56 PM   #76 
                          - Go ahead. But I am waiting to see you actyally do it - you know,  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:58 PM   #82 
                          - I'm sure I wouldn't fare to well here at DU since many consider...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:00 PM   #86 
                             - Couldn't agree with you more, Cynatnite...  tx_dem41   Sep-29-05 02:04 PM   #96 
                          - The right to privacy is clear BUT  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 02:06 PM   #102 
                             - I'm curious at where does the line get drawn?  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:13 PM   #110 
                                - I understand the "thin end of the wedge" metaphor  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 03:17 PM   #148 
                                   - Corporate media's made a ton of money off of stomping on private lives...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:29 PM   #155 
                                      - I hope you're right.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 03:54 PM   #177 
     - well, you're a bigger person than I am  libnnc   Sep-29-05 02:20 PM   #116 
        - I doubt I would since I abhor this idea so much...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:23 PM   #117 
           - If you were one of the people being denied that right by a  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:40 PM   #132 
              - As I said, I doubt it since I know how strongly I feel about it now n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:49 PM   #138 
  - What about other kids of outting? How about Strom Thurmond  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:31 PM   #30 
  - You don't have to let the wrong go unnoted...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:39 PM   #40 
     - Again, it isthe job of the press to inform the electorate, not to keep  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:41 PM   #45 
        - Was it the job of the press to report on Clinton's sex life?  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:43 PM   #49 
           - It was their job once it became news.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:45 PM   #51 
              - That's not what I'm doing...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:48 PM   #55 
                 - It's the job of the press to inform the electorate, especially on  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:51 PM   #62 
                    - It's not about keeping secrets...it's about people's private lives n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:52 PM   #67 
                       - Of course it's about keeping secrets. If the press knows something  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:53 PM   #69 
                          - Keeping secrets and someone's personal life is two different things...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:55 PM   #74 
                             - Please stop confusing yourself with an elected official, or  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:57 PM   #79 
                                - Oh, please  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:58 PM   #81 
                                   - To the contrary - your example is about yourself, a private citizen,  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:00 PM   #88 
                                      - It's a private decision and not for public consumption...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:03 PM   #93 
                                         - What's a private decision?  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:05 PM   #100 
                                            - Of course voters are free to choose based on their own...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:09 PM   #106 
                                               - Well there we disagree - I think hypocrisy is worth considering  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:24 PM   #119 
                                                  - I think hypocrisy is worth considering as well...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:27 PM   #122 
                                                  - The press reporting within their power is not "fucking with" lives.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:35 PM   #129 
                                                  - When it comes to the private lives of people...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:41 PM   #135 
  - This is the bit I don't get  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:31 PM   #31 
     - I agree. And why is being gay a sacred cow? Why do we want  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:34 PM   #33 
     - I agree. I AM NOT A SACRED COW!  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 01:40 PM   #41 
        - Me too. My life is not a deep dark secret, and I resent that it  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:43 PM   #50 
           - It should be a personal choice  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:50 PM   #61 
              - You make that personal choice when you enter politcs, just as  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:52 PM   #66 
                 - And I think it's a tragedy...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:53 PM   #68 
                    - That's your choice. Other voters have other values - too bad you seek  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:55 PM   #73 
                       - People should consider the qualifications and ability...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:57 PM   #80 
                          - Again, that's your criteria. I think hypocrisy is a major factor in  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:59 PM   #85 
                             - I'm stating my opinion...that's all.  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:01 PM   #91 
                                - Well, thank goodness for that.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:03 PM   #94 
                                   - How do I do that? n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:05 PM   #99 
     - They have a choice on whether or not to out themselves...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 01:41 PM   #44 
        - The benefit: an informed electorate. n/t  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:42 PM   #47 
        - Where their decision making trumps mine  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 02:29 PM   #123 
           - This is about right to privacy...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:55 PM   #142 
              - Sigh...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 03:24 PM   #152 
  - I know--it happened with the Gannon story as well.  Arkana   Sep-29-05 01:38 PM   #39 
  - playing devil's advocate for just one moment:  GloriaSmith   Sep-29-05 01:41 PM   #46 
  - OK-Are we talking about Drier?  Carni   Sep-29-05 01:52 PM   #64 
  - The only problem I see with outing is this:  mutley_r_us   Sep-29-05 01:54 PM   #71 
  - Then that person shuold not have entered politics.  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 01:56 PM   #75 
  - we aren't talking about outing in general. we are talking about  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 01:57 PM   #77 
     - Exactly!  Behind the Aegis   Sep-29-05 02:12 PM   #109 
  - Those closeted politicians are mentally ill IMO  slackmaster   Sep-29-05 01:57 PM   #78 
  - What if Kerry were gay?  notmypresident   Sep-29-05 02:00 PM   #89 
  - Nobody's business? How is who you are involved with nobody's  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:07 PM   #103 
     - I personally see it as being no one's business...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:17 PM   #113 
     - "The other side"? Since when has interest in the family life  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:39 PM   #131 
     - Ok, let me put it this way  notmypresident   Sep-29-05 02:19 PM   #114 
        - Knowing whom someone is involved with tells me nothing about  mondo joe   Sep-29-05 02:37 PM   #130 
  - since sexual orientation is a feeling  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:01 PM   #90 
  - Photos, I'm afraid...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 02:44 PM   #136 
     - photos prove that someone engaged in an act  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:55 PM   #143 
        - omG  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 03:20 PM   #150 
           - of course  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:26 PM   #153 
              - ...or they've enjoyed the company of another who spills the beans...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 03:41 PM   #168 
  - It is a complex issue for many reasons  julialnyc   Sep-29-05 02:04 PM   #97 
  - I asked this question of my son  mtnester   Sep-29-05 02:09 PM   #107 
  - Okay TRY THIS ONE...  libnnc   Sep-29-05 02:24 PM   #118 
  - Sure, I get it...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:26 PM   #121 
  - I had no idea...  libnnc   Sep-29-05 02:31 PM   #124 
     - You could be right...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:34 PM   #127 
  - for the last time,  northzax   Sep-29-05 02:40 PM   #133 
  - Game, Set and Match, libnnc!  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 02:40 PM   #134 
  - he isnt concerned about OUR privacy rights why should we  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 02:54 PM   #141 
     - So we should be like them????  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:56 PM   #144 
        - I'm sorry. You don't have a damn thing at stake here in this argument.  libnnc   Sep-29-05 03:02 PM   #146 
        - We all have a stake in this...this is about the right to privacy...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:19 PM   #149 
           - so do you plan on running for public office soon?  libnnc   Sep-29-05 03:31 PM   #157 
              - I would if it were truly possible, but it's not...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:39 PM   #164 
                 - "what makes anyone think they won't stop at a straight one?"  libnnc   Sep-29-05 03:44 PM   #170 
                    - I don't believe they would ever stop...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:50 PM   #174 
        - no..we should expose him so he can STOP doing damage to us  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 03:04 PM   #147 
           - And what makes you think they will stop?  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:21 PM   #151 
              - i guess we wont ever come to an agreement...  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 03:29 PM   #156 
                 - I do understand the reasonings and respect them...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:34 PM   #158 
                 - well that is cool...i don't know what your orientation is but  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 03:37 PM   #163 
                    - I'm a straight chick  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:41 PM   #167 
                       - though we might disagree on this one" particular" about outing..  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 03:46 PM   #172 
                          - I think the right to privacy is a good dem issue...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:51 PM   #175 
                 - you said it better than I could  libnnc   Sep-29-05 03:34 PM   #159 
                    - oh i am fuming..  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 03:36 PM   #161 
                       - this is why rage is not a good motivation  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:45 PM   #171 
                          - but don't you see that in this case (Drier)  libnnc   Sep-29-05 03:53 PM   #176 
                          - but doesn't every piece of anti-gay legislation  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:59 PM   #180 
                             - He's rich. His boyfriend's SS benefits  libnnc   Sep-29-05 04:07 PM   #187 
                             - so it's not a gay issue  northzax   Sep-29-05 04:17 PM   #190 
                                - but he votes against my interests  libnnc   Sep-29-05 04:19 PM   #192 
                                   - he votes against MY interest as well  northzax   Sep-29-05 04:32 PM   #196 
                                      - So if he publicly criticised Lawerence when it came down  dsc   Sep-30-05 05:22 AM   #211 
                                         - he should be criticised for being an idiot  northzax   Sep-30-05 09:20 AM   #214 
                             - garg, fetches cognitive tweezers...and kinda RANTS...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 04:51 PM   #199 
                                - love the rant icon  northzax   Sep-29-05 05:01 PM   #200 
                                - Wow. You're brilliant. Thank you for that...  libnnc   Sep-29-05 05:02 PM   #201 
                          - i am beginning to understand your side more as i think about it.  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 04:00 PM   #181 
                          - Rage works to get me active more...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 04:02 PM   #183 
                          - i dont channel mine as productively...i need to work on that  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 04:06 PM   #185 
                          - the rage is reasonable  northzax   Sep-29-05 04:10 PM   #189 
                          - We're not really using their tactics  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 04:06 PM   #186 
                             - it's an interesting discussion...  jonnyblitz   Sep-29-05 04:08 PM   #188 
                                - That it is.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 05:10 PM   #202 
  - The use of the word "outing"...  MathGuy   Sep-29-05 02:25 PM   #120 
  - I agree to an extent...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:33 PM   #126 
  - To get society to fully accept homosexuality  MathGuy   Sep-29-05 02:48 PM   #137 
     - It would depend on the reasons why they stay in the closet, though  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 02:50 PM   #139 
     - what if they ask you to?  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:27 PM   #154 
        - Ask me to what? Could you clarify? n/t  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:35 PM   #160 
        - ask you to keep it a secret  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:37 PM   #162 
           - Sure. I had a friend in high school who swore me to secrecy...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:44 PM   #169 
              - I thought so  northzax   Sep-29-05 03:50 PM   #173 
                 - Yeah, if they haven't given permission, I agree...  cynatnite   Sep-29-05 03:58 PM   #179 
        - Sure  MathGuy   Sep-29-05 04:18 PM   #191 
           - I figured, I only ask  northzax   Sep-29-05 04:34 PM   #198 
  - ALL is not fair in love & war, if you're moral/ethical? Do unto others...  Sparkman   Sep-29-05 04:25 PM   #195 
     - and back to the start of the thread...  baby_mouse   Sep-30-05 02:58 AM   #210 
  - I am not sure... take Bill Bennet's breast reduction surgery  BigMcLargehuge   Sep-29-05 03:39 PM   #165 
  - I heard it was a double.  dmsRoar   Sep-29-05 03:41 PM   #166 
  - Hav'g a prosthetic should be secret if one choses. Sexual choice should 2.  Sparkman   Sep-29-05 03:55 PM   #178 
  - it IS a weapon  butchcjg   Sep-29-05 04:02 PM   #182 
  - Some people have very good reasons for staying in.  bertha katzenengel   Sep-29-05 04:20 PM   #193 
  - So I just realized... all this is about some repuke being supposedly gay?  MathGuy   Sep-29-05 04:23 PM   #194 
  - or SINKING to name calling and gay Bashing (even if for a good reason)?  Sparkman   Sep-29-05 04:33 PM   #197 
  - I am gay.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 05:14 PM   #204 
     - You may be public and Drier is not. Publicity may mean more to him so...  Sparkman   Sep-29-05 05:29 PM   #205 
        - Drier chose to run for public office  ruggerson   Sep-29-05 05:57 PM   #206 
        - Bigotry is harmful, its prevalent. We judge him&say our bigotrys justified  Sparkman   Sep-29-05 06:18 PM   #208 
        - Ah, it is bed-time...  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 06:00 PM   #207 
  - Well, yes.  baby_mouse   Sep-29-05 05:12 PM   #203 
  - Outing has little to do with homophobia  StopThePendulum   Sep-29-05 06:30 PM   #209 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-30-05 06:12 AM   #212 
 

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