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Wed Oct-08-03 12:32 AM
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Terror and cencorship are not rampant YET. Your post generalizes the situation to fit the definition. Neat trick, but try again.
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| -america is not becoming fascist. |
nemo137 |
Oct-07-03 11:47 PM |
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So Bush is Metternich? |
Solly Mack |
Oct-07-03 11:49 PM |
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no, bush is not metternich. |
nemo137 |
Oct-07-03 11:59 PM |
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True, he's not Metternich |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 12:19 AM |
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But KISSINGER is Metternich..... |
bobbieinok |
Oct-08-03 11:33 PM |
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I can see that |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 11:52 PM |
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I completely disagree |
AliceWonderland |
Oct-07-03 11:57 PM |
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i would disagree |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:01 AM |
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That's not |
AliceWonderland |
Oct-08-03 12:11 AM |
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no, it's not conservative in the traditional sense, i'll give you that |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:25 AM |
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Absolutely true. These people are not conservatives. They're mussolini |
AP |
Oct-08-03 12:06 AM |
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Oct-08-03 12:00 AM |
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Oct-08-03 12:04 AM |
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Where have you been the last three years? |
AP |
Oct-08-03 12:08 AM |
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i've been here, watching with a bit of unease. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:31 AM |
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They won't start the *real* political repression |
w4rma |
Oct-08-03 12:08 AM |
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That's the thing. As long as they have the media, they don't need force |
AP |
Oct-08-03 12:14 AM |
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'third way' what is that? |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 12:09 AM |
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i'm basing my definition of Eatwell's |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:16 AM |
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'between capitalism and communism' oh really... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 12:27 AM |
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tween cap and comm is the theory |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:31 AM |
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Myth: Hitler was a leftist. |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 12:38 AM |
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i never said that hitler was a leftist. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:49 AM |
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"hitler also rose out of the "national socialist" party" |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 10:45 PM |
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because, in addition to fascist policy being bad for workers |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:13 PM |
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zactly why they are great friends of corporations... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 11:24 PM |
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Hitler used corporations |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 01:12 AM |
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depending on how important it was to the war, sure... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-09-03 01:18 AM |
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to elaborate further |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-03 01:23 AM |
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Organization Todt |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 01:37 AM |
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there were many tips |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-03 01:50 AM |
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not exactly true |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 12:58 AM |
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his soilders had 'God is with us' on their belt buckles... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-09-03 01:10 AM |
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German soldiers had that before Hitler |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 01:13 AM |
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we are talking about a fascist state... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-09-03 01:16 AM |
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It was traditional German battle dress |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 01:38 AM |
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Did you miss Bush talking about |
IMayBeWrongBut |
Oct-08-03 12:35 AM |
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rhetoric =/= policy |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:47 AM |
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Eatwell vs Mussolini |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 12:36 AM |
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a man who was trying to establish his power against others... |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:45 AM |
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Mussolini WROTE the definition for the Italian Encyclopedia |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 12:53 AM |
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of course he used it in his encyclopedia! |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:01 AM |
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Mussolini took his cues in governing from the definition he laid out |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 01:21 AM |
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i'm not saying bush is anything but bad for america. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:36 AM |
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Millitarism and love of empire... |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 12:57 AM |
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"militarism is the new secular religion." |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:06 AM |
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Take a look at the federal budget... |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 01:18 AM |
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it's been like this since we took an internationalist tack in the 40's |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:25 AM |
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Believe what you want. |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 01:31 AM |
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we spend so much on the military because |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:38 AM |
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Not really getting you here... |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 01:56 AM |
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no, the glove doesn't fit. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 02:05 AM |
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Ok I agree. |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 02:23 AM |
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you mean when we embraced our new role of EMPIRE |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 10:51 PM |
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that is not 'Fascism' |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 01:01 AM |
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That is not what Mussolini said |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 12:48 AM |
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Corporatism is fascism... |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 12:12 AM |
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Benito Mussolini also said 'I am fascism' |
Zuni |
Oct-09-03 12:45 AM |
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Creeping government takeover: War On Jobs = More Soldiers |
cprise |
Oct-08-03 01:03 AM |
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We're just becoming stupid - that's all there is to it |
janekat |
Oct-08-03 12:14 AM |
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The more you watch Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, the supider you get... |
AP |
Oct-08-03 12:15 AM |
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At what point |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-08-03 12:29 AM |
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Well, when 400K-1mil kids have to drop out of college becuause Republicans |
AP |
Oct-08-03 01:09 AM |
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Precisely |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-08-03 01:36 AM |
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People should educate themselves, sure. But they should also vote for |
AP |
Oct-08-03 02:36 AM |
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I've not doubt |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-09-03 10:20 PM |
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Glad to Meet You -- What's Your Game? |
rwenos |
Oct-08-03 12:15 AM |
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i would call it conservatism. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:22 AM |
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You're Defining Fascism Too Narrowly |
rwenos |
Oct-08-03 12:32 AM |
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if i'm defining it too narrowly, it's as an antithesis to |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:42 AM |
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Government/Corporate Ties |
rwenos |
Oct-08-03 12:47 AM |
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i don't belive that the iraq war was all corporate |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:53 AM |
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Bush is not a conservative |
RainDog |
Oct-08-03 11:20 PM |
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The definition of fascism... |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 12:18 AM |
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Dictonary definition of fascism: |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 12:19 AM |
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Put another way: |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 12:23 AM |
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well put |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 12:28 AM |
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And on that racism/nationalism thing...don't forget Prop 54 and drivers... |
AP |
Oct-08-03 12:28 AM |
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it's actually possible the most traditionally conservative issue on... |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:34 AM |
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This election was about "change", latino-bashing, women-bashing, Hitler- |
AP |
Oct-08-03 01:11 AM |
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no, it wasn't. it was about a rich man seeking political gain, and playing |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:18 AM |
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His strong-man image and his hostility to latino immigrants was also |
AP |
Oct-08-03 02:41 AM |
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2 things: |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 10:28 PM |
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if corporate welfare = fascism, than most of the western world is fascist |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:28 AM |
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I never said it wasn't (nt) |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 12:29 AM |
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Exactly. Creeping fascism or sprinting fascism? That's the only |
AP |
Oct-08-03 01:12 AM |
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Fan-Tastic! let's all just give up now! if all we can do is slow the tide |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:22 AM |
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"so let's all flee to canada. but wait, they're fascist too. damn." |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 01:32 AM |
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going off of another poster's quip that the rest of the world may also |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:44 AM |
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aw...OK |
Solly Mack |
Oct-08-03 02:05 AM |
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In the word's of Tolkien... |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 01:40 AM |
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You should have read my post earlier about taking it to the streets. |
AP |
Oct-08-03 02:43 AM |
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Not with bail-outs coinciding with executive pay raises and mass layoffs! |
cprise |
Oct-08-03 01:19 AM |
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In defense of poster |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-08-03 12:32 AM |
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911 and PATRIOT ACT |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 12:42 AM |
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Equating 9/11 with fascist-like terrorism?? |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-08-03 12:51 AM |
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That's your defense? |
Selwynn |
Oct-08-03 12:43 AM |
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Yes |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-08-03 01:05 AM |
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Who do they need to censor? None of the media seems to care about telling |
AP |
Oct-08-03 01:17 AM |
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Are you kidding? We started a war and the media ADMITS they censored them- |
AP |
Oct-08-03 01:14 AM |
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Right, Amerika already IS Fascist. |
Lori Price CLG |
Oct-08-03 12:44 AM |
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yes, ashcroft and rove. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 12:59 AM |
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You Beat Me To It.... |
mermaid |
Oct-09-03 12:02 AM |
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sweet christ! |
nemo137 |
Oct-09-03 02:00 AM |
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We are well on our way |
cprise |
Oct-08-03 12:49 AM |
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many of these are more conservative (for lack of a truly good term) |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:15 AM |
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Oct-08-03 01:13 AM |
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Fascist Since Before You Were Born |
Rainbows |
Oct-08-03 01:16 AM |
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so our republic is so tainted by corporatism |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:53 AM |
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are you |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 01:27 AM |
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i'm 17, my major hobby is history and political science. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 01:48 AM |
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friendly fascism |
ezmojason |
Oct-08-03 02:12 AM |
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I didn't |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 02:34 AM |
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have you heard of the USA Patriot Act, yet... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 10:55 PM |
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yeah, i want it repealed. i still believe it can be repealed, |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:10 PM |
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Oct-08-03 02:01 AM |
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Characteristics of Fascism |
LunaC |
Oct-08-03 02:16 AM |
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Oi! |
FDRrocks |
Oct-08-03 02:50 AM |
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a kick for your reminder |
Iverson |
Oct-08-03 04:42 AM |
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2 points. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 10:42 PM |
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Two really nitpicky points. |
JanMichael |
Oct-08-03 10:52 PM |
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i suggest that it can happen here, but |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:18 PM |
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definition |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 11:34 PM |
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3 of the 4 |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:48 PM |
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since 1913 |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-03 12:30 AM |
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2 questions: |
nemo137 |
Oct-09-03 01:51 AM |
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'strong leader' |
inthecorneroverhere |
Oct-09-03 01:55 AM |
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hey Nemo |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 11:12 PM |
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yes it is |
YourDad |
Oct-08-03 02:49 AM |
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Yeah, and next you'll be saying Bush actually won in 2000. Please. |
Zhade |
Oct-08-03 05:13 AM |
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we also don't have time to fantasize. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 10:34 PM |
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same thing asscrust is saying... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 10:56 PM |
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so john ashcroft is encouraging dems to keep their heads about them |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:05 PM |
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yeah... don't get all excited about "phantoms of lost liberty" |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 11:11 PM |
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you're not looking at phatoms of past liberties |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:22 PM |
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CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER |
bpilgrim |
Oct-08-03 11:28 PM |
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fight or flight |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 11:43 PM |
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if it's clear and present danger, then let's focus on it, goddamnit |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:54 PM |
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thats why i started a new media outlet... |
bpilgrim |
Oct-09-03 12:01 AM |
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we will win |
slaveplanet |
Oct-08-03 11:40 PM |
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how bout we prevent those deaths? |
nemo137 |
Oct-09-03 12:01 AM |
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I'm all with you there |
slaveplanet |
Oct-09-03 12:14 AM |
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And your proposal is......? |
LunaC |
Oct-09-03 02:42 AM |
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remind them that this is not a good government, and does not serve their |
nemo137 |
Oct-09-03 09:58 PM |
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Oh, for pete's sake |
charlie |
Oct-08-03 11:51 PM |
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no, it wasn't fair, and i'm sorry. |
nemo137 |
Oct-08-03 11:59 PM |
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It's be even better if you accepted the reality of the situation. |
Zhade |
Oct-09-03 02:17 AM |
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i accept that this is not a good government. |
nemo137 |
Oct-09-03 02:27 AM |
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You have a point... |
fujiyama |
Oct-09-03 03:18 AM |
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