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Tue Sep-27-05 05:38 PM
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| 1. Viva Chavez!!!! A true elected democrat by the people!!! |
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Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 05:51 PM by Zinfandel
Walk through poor barrios in Venezuela and you’ll hear the same stories over and over. The very poor can now go to a designated home in the neighborhood to pick up a hot meal every day. The elderly have monthly pensions that allow them to live with dignity. Young people can take advantage of greatly expanded free college programs. And with 13,000 Cuban doctors spread throughout the country and reaching over half the population, the poor now have their own family doctors on call 24-hours a day—doctors who even make house calls. This heath care, including medicines, are all free.
The programs are being paid for with the income from Venezuela’s oil, which is at an all-time high. Previously, the nation’s oil wealth benefited only a small, well-connected elite who kept themselves in power for 40 years through an electoral duopoly. The vast majority in this oil-rich nation remained poor, disenfranchised, and disempowered. With the election of Hugo Chavez in 1998 on a platform of sharing the nation’s oil wealth with the poorest, all that has changed. The poor are now not only recipients of these programs, they are actively engaged in running them. They’re turning abandoned buildings into neighborhood centers, running community kitchens, volunteering to teach in the literacy programs and organizing neighborhood health brigades.
Infuriated by their loss of power, the elite have used their control over the media to blast Chavez for destroying the economy, cozying up to Fidel Castro, antagonizing the US government, expropriating private property, and governing through dictatorial rule.
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| -Hugo Chavez is anti-abortion |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 05:35 PM |
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Viva Chavez!!!! A true elected democrat by the people!!! |
Zinfandel |
Sep-27-05 05:38 PM |
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VIVA CHAVEZ! A man of principal, integrity and true ethic of character! |
radwriter0555 |
Sep-28-05 12:21 AM |
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Thank YOU, Now I could be more civil with the OP |
madokie |
Sep-28-05 08:03 AM |
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Hugo Chavez speaks for me` |
burythehatchet |
Sep-27-05 05:39 PM |
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i don't think you can live and die by the abortion plank |
castiron |
Sep-27-05 05:39 PM |
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Oh, by the way, I am female and pro-choice |
castiron |
Sep-27-05 05:41 PM |
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Precisely--one issue politics is regressive and terribly dangerous. |
blondeatlast |
Sep-27-05 06:25 PM |
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Exactly. That's why it's often used as a weapon against the Left. (nt) |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 07:13 PM |
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Chavez is most likely a Catholic in a Catholic country.... |
Missy M |
Sep-27-05 05:40 PM |
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What about the beliefs of pro-choice women in Venezuela? n/t |
readmoreoften |
Sep-27-05 06:17 PM |
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Clearly, they'd be better off w/a right-wing dictator in power. n/t |
Charlie Brown |
Sep-28-05 12:47 AM |
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Yes, I have respect for a lot of politicans who are pro-life |
Charlie Brown |
Sep-28-05 12:42 AM |
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Seems to me that he is pro-contraception. |
Carolab |
Sep-27-05 05:41 PM |
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No one is perfect |
Mojambo |
Sep-27-05 05:41 PM |
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Thank you! |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 05:42 PM |
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Sounds like divide & conquer, Republicans run on one issue bullshit |
Zinfandel |
Sep-27-05 05:48 PM |
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I want John Conyers for US president, |
kineta |
Sep-27-05 05:42 PM |
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yeah, isn't it weird how the political spectrum has been so |
castiron |
Sep-27-05 05:44 PM |
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wouldn't his state of the nation addresses be awesome? |
kineta |
Sep-27-05 08:56 PM |
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Kucinich '08 n/t |
hogwyld |
Sep-27-05 05:44 PM |
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Damn straight. nt |
Qibing Zero |
Sep-27-05 05:49 PM |
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He's one of the good guys. |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-28-05 12:13 AM |
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Hugo Chavez eats Cheetos and wipes his hands on his shirt! |
chalky |
Sep-27-05 05:45 PM |
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I was just wondering how long until someone played the Cheetos card n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-27-05 05:59 PM |
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How could we have been so blind? Thank God for Chalky |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-28-05 11:31 AM |
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All in good time... |
David__77 |
Sep-27-05 05:47 PM |
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Hell, you tell me what one person or candidate you are going to find that |
Jon8503 |
Sep-27-05 05:49 PM |
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Oh no! One plank in a huge platform isn't perfectly stable! |
RandomKoolzip |
Sep-27-05 05:50 PM |
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get over it |
morgan2 |
Sep-27-05 05:52 PM |
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Indeed. The greatest issue in the world is rampant poverty. |
Zynx |
Sep-27-05 06:23 PM |
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If working to liberate land itself from captialism's grip aint' good enuf |
castiron |
Sep-27-05 05:52 PM |
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Direct quote |
Richard D |
Sep-27-05 05:52 PM |
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Oh. Nice!! |
castiron |
Sep-27-05 05:54 PM |
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It's my viewpoint exactly |
Richard D |
Sep-27-05 06:05 PM |
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Yet there is no freedom to do so in Venezuela.... |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 06:09 PM |
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How much does that REALLY bother you? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:43 PM |
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Unintentionally funny? |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 06:51 PM |
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Stop pretending you're outraged about this. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:54 PM |
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I am outraged... |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:02 PM |
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Then be consistent and dislike EVERY Latin American chief of state. (nt) |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 07:03 PM |
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You don't think I do? |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:17 PM |
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You don't like Bush exclusively 'cause he's pro-life? |
Charlie Brown |
Sep-28-05 01:11 AM |
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Never said that did I? |
dhinojosa |
Sep-28-05 11:15 AM |
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HAH! The OP is busted by his own petard! |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:05 PM |
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I read the link and the quote, doesn't change the fact |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 06:08 PM |
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Give me a break |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:16 PM |
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Oh the country is TOO catholic and we are TOO christian |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 06:35 PM |
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I thought your OP was the height of desperation. It's not. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:53 PM |
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I think this same strategy was used against Democrats in the early '70s. |
1932 |
Sep-27-05 06:21 PM |
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So if he doesn't roll up his sleeves and do one himself |
Mandate My Ass |
Sep-27-05 06:26 PM |
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That's how I personally feel about it. |
Zynx |
Sep-27-05 06:09 PM |
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Very impressive. |
1932 |
Sep-27-05 06:17 PM |
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Looks like you closed the book on the matter. |
Zhade |
Sep-27-05 07:44 PM |
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By the logic I see at work here, JFK, LBJ, and FDR were also anti-abortion |
JVS |
Sep-27-05 05:53 PM |
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Hugo Chavez is the only world leader |
Karenina |
Sep-27-05 06:00 PM |
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I found it. I was startled the first time I saw it. Recognized it |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-28-05 11:45 AM |
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Oh Judi Lynn, you're all that and a bag o'chips! |
Karenina |
Sep-28-05 12:27 PM |
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He's a Catholic for goodness sakes. Why does it surprise anyone |
cantstandbush |
Sep-27-05 06:12 PM |
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He isn't even THAT much anti-abortion |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 06:18 PM |
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This is so pathetic. This should be a lesson in why you need to look at |
1932 |
Sep-27-05 06:15 PM |
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Gee! If that isn't grounds to invade Venezuela I don't know what is! |
devilgrrl |
Sep-27-05 06:15 PM |
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Most women do not WANT abortions..but poverty forces it upon them |
patdem |
Sep-27-05 06:38 PM |
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Unfortunately that is false.... |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 06:44 PM |
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WHOA! Right-wing site! |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 07:01 PM |
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Jesus F'n Christ. |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:11 PM |
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I invite everybody here to look at the site's front page |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 07:12 PM |
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OH GOD NO! A QUOTE FROM PATRICK MOYNIHAN!!!!!!!!! |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:20 PM |
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That study isn't much better than the one it tries to refute |
jmm |
Sep-27-05 07:04 PM |
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Well, you got some other studies? |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:11 PM |
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I agree. And -- factcheck notwithstanding -- Hillary was careful and |
Czolgosz |
Sep-27-05 07:26 PM |
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Oh here we go. Most women I know wanted abortions. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-27-05 08:02 PM |
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Viva Hugo! |
zippy890 |
Sep-27-05 06:47 PM |
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Shhhh! Quiet about Socialism or the anti-ANSWER people will post here! |
Czolgosz |
Sep-28-05 12:00 AM |
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My best friend's wife is anti-abortion |
mtnsnake |
Sep-27-05 06:47 PM |
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Nope, if you don't support my physical health and safety |
readmoreoften |
Sep-27-05 08:10 PM |
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Venezuela's positions on abortion are Venezuela's to work out, |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-27-05 06:51 PM |
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Do you seriously think the opposition will change that? n/t |
Darranar |
Sep-27-05 06:55 PM |
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Course he is! Is the Pope |
zidzi |
Sep-27-05 07:04 PM |
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So are many Democrats. |
Mr_Spock |
Sep-27-05 07:15 PM |
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The simple fact that he hasn't imposed his viewpoint on the country |
0rganism |
Sep-27-05 07:19 PM |
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EGG-ZACKTLY! You nailed it! (nt) |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-27-05 07:22 PM |
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it's already been imposed for him. nt |
dhinojosa |
Sep-27-05 07:48 PM |
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By the 90% or so of the Catholics in Venezuela? |
alittlelark |
Sep-28-05 12:25 AM |
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Both sides of this debate really have no bearing on anything. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-27-05 07:28 PM |
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Oops. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-27-05 08:29 PM |
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So this doesn't bother me, sorry. |
OnionPatch |
Sep-27-05 07:50 PM |
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Oh Puh-lease... |
CatBoreal |
Sep-27-05 07:53 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-27-05 08:05 PM |
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Why is the pro-life stance the only one we can't forgive? |
DerekG |
Sep-27-05 08:43 PM |
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because if a woman is forced to be a breeder |
Scout |
Sep-27-05 09:56 PM |
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Alas, other issues do take precedence over abortion politics |
DerekG |
Sep-28-05 09:55 AM |
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it is insulting to be told your right to your own body... |
Scout |
Sep-28-05 11:08 AM |
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Google "Fallujah" and take a look at our handiwork |
DerekG |
Sep-28-05 02:30 PM |
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honey, you have been very sheltered if you think |
Scout |
Sep-28-05 02:46 PM |
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Consider the "pretty please" a trade off for your "kapeesh" |
DerekG |
Sep-28-05 03:14 PM |
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If women truly had coices, they would choose to PREVENT |
ElectroPrincess |
Sep-28-05 12:09 AM |
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FYI, I'm pro-choice, so I don't need the nuances explained to me |
DerekG |
Sep-28-05 02:07 PM |
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Believe me when I say I want the same things as you |
DerekG |
Sep-28-05 03:45 PM |
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check yr map |
pitohui |
Sep-27-05 09:02 PM |
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So? |
Redstone |
Sep-27-05 09:04 PM |
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Wow |
eggman67 |
Sep-27-05 09:10 PM |
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Hey I'm about as liberal as they come and yes, I'm pro-life |
ElectroPrincess |
Sep-28-05 12:05 AM |
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You sound very much like me. |
Zynx |
Sep-28-05 07:37 AM |
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I don't know one person who is pro-abortion. |
electricray |
Sep-28-05 12:32 AM |
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Great. Another tiresome debate about a liberal who doesn't walk in |
LibInTexas |
Sep-28-05 12:37 AM |
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Abortion is illegal in most Latin American countries |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-28-05 12:37 AM |
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Guys, Robert Byrd is also pro-life |
Charlie Brown |
Sep-28-05 12:44 AM |
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Its sad how many people on this thread will gladly sellout because |
tx_dem41 |
Sep-28-05 07:28 AM |
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What an interesting set of links! |
Bridget Burke |
Sep-28-05 07:50 AM |
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Non-Sequitur. EOM |
K-W |
Sep-28-05 08:13 AM |
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edit |
Binka |
Sep-28-05 10:08 AM |
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Duro Chávez. ¡No Joda! |
RedCloud |
Sep-28-05 10:10 AM |
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Of course he is, as are most South American leaders |
goodhue |
Sep-28-05 11:13 AM |
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You can be anti-abortion, but pro-choice. |
Fla Dem |
Sep-28-05 11:48 AM |
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Nice try! Great idea. Smooth. You're too quick for us. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-28-05 11:59 AM |
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But-but-but .... |
H2O Man |
Sep-28-05 02:38 PM |
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What you should know |
True American |
Sep-28-05 03:58 PM |
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