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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 05:38 PM
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1. Viva Chavez!!!! A true elected democrat by the people!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 05:51 PM by Zinfandel
Walk through poor barrios in Venezuela and you’ll hear the same stories over and over. The very poor can now go to a designated home in the neighborhood to pick up a hot meal every day. The elderly have monthly pensions that allow them to live with dignity. Young people can take advantage of greatly expanded free college programs. And with 13,000 Cuban doctors spread throughout the country and reaching over half the population, the poor now have their own family doctors on call 24-hours a day—doctors who even make house calls. This heath care, including medicines, are all free.

The programs are being paid for with the income from Venezuela’s oil, which is at an all-time high. Previously, the nation’s oil wealth benefited only a small, well-connected elite who kept themselves in power for 40 years through an electoral duopoly. The vast majority in this oil-rich nation remained poor, disenfranchised, and disempowered. With the election of Hugo Chavez in 1998 on a platform of sharing the nation’s oil wealth with the poorest, all that has changed. The poor are now not only recipients of these programs, they are actively engaged in running them. They’re turning abandoned buildings into neighborhood centers, running community kitchens, volunteering to teach in the literacy programs and organizing neighborhood health brigades.

Infuriated by their loss of power, the elite have used their control over the media to blast Chavez for destroying the economy, cozying up to Fidel Castro, antagonizing the US government, expropriating private property, and governing through dictatorial rule.
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  -Hugo Chavez is anti-abortion dhinojosa  Sep-27-05 05:35 PM   #0 
  - Viva Chavez!!!! A true elected democrat by the people!!!  Zinfandel   Sep-27-05 05:38 PM   #1 
  - VIVA CHAVEZ! A man of principal, integrity and true ethic of character!  radwriter0555   Sep-28-05 12:21 AM   #86 
  - Thank YOU, Now I could be more civil with the OP  madokie   Sep-28-05 08:03 AM   #98 
  - Hugo Chavez speaks for me`  burythehatchet   Sep-27-05 05:39 PM   #2 
  - i don't think you can live and die by the abortion plank  castiron   Sep-27-05 05:39 PM   #3 
  - Oh, by the way, I am female and pro-choice  castiron   Sep-27-05 05:41 PM   #5 
  - Precisely--one issue politics is regressive and terribly dangerous.  blondeatlast   Sep-27-05 06:25 PM   #39 
     - Exactly. That's why it's often used as a weapon against the Left. (nt)  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 07:13 PM   #60 
  - Chavez is most likely a Catholic in a Catholic country....  Missy M   Sep-27-05 05:40 PM   #4 
  - What about the beliefs of pro-choice women in Venezuela? n/t  readmoreoften   Sep-27-05 06:17 PM   #34 
  - Clearly, they'd be better off w/a right-wing dictator in power. n/t  Charlie Brown   Sep-28-05 12:47 AM   #93 
  - Yes, I have respect for a lot of politicans who are pro-life  Charlie Brown   Sep-28-05 12:42 AM   #91 
  - Seems to me that he is pro-contraception.  Carolab   Sep-27-05 05:41 PM   #6 
  - No one is perfect  Mojambo   Sep-27-05 05:41 PM   #7 
  - Thank you!  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 05:42 PM   #9 
     - Sounds like divide & conquer, Republicans run on one issue bullshit  Zinfandel   Sep-27-05 05:48 PM   #14 
  - I want John Conyers for US president,  kineta   Sep-27-05 05:42 PM   #8 
  - yeah, isn't it weird how the political spectrum has been so  castiron   Sep-27-05 05:44 PM   #10 
     - wouldn't his state of the nation addresses be awesome?  kineta   Sep-27-05 08:56 PM   #77 
  - Kucinich '08 n/t  hogwyld   Sep-27-05 05:44 PM   #11 
  - Damn straight. nt  Qibing Zero   Sep-27-05 05:49 PM   #15 
  - He's one of the good guys.  greyhound1966   Sep-28-05 12:13 AM   #85 
  - Hugo Chavez eats Cheetos and wipes his hands on his shirt!  chalky   Sep-27-05 05:45 PM   #12 
  - I was just wondering how long until someone played the Cheetos card n/t  NNN0LHI   Sep-27-05 05:59 PM   #23 
     - How could we have been so blind? Thank God for Chalky  Judi Lynn   Sep-28-05 11:31 AM   #106 
  - All in good time...  David__77   Sep-27-05 05:47 PM   #13 
  - Hell, you tell me what one person or candidate you are going to find that  Jon8503   Sep-27-05 05:49 PM   #16 
  - Oh no! One plank in a huge platform isn't perfectly stable!  RandomKoolzip   Sep-27-05 05:50 PM   #17 
  - get over it  morgan2   Sep-27-05 05:52 PM   #18 
  - Indeed. The greatest issue in the world is rampant poverty.  Zynx   Sep-27-05 06:23 PM   #38 
  - If working to liberate land itself from captialism's grip aint' good enuf  castiron   Sep-27-05 05:52 PM   #19 
  - Direct quote  Richard D   Sep-27-05 05:52 PM   #20 
  - Oh. Nice!!  castiron   Sep-27-05 05:54 PM   #22 
  - It's my viewpoint exactly  Richard D   Sep-27-05 06:05 PM   #26 
     - Yet there is no freedom to do so in Venezuela....  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 06:09 PM   #28 
        - How much does that REALLY bother you?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:43 PM   #43 
           - Unintentionally funny?  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 06:51 PM   #48 
              - Stop pretending you're outraged about this.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:54 PM   #50 
                 - I am outraged...  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:02 PM   #53 
                    - Then be consistent and dislike EVERY Latin American chief of state. (nt)  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 07:03 PM   #54 
                       - You don't think I do?  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:17 PM   #62 
                          - You don't like Bush exclusively 'cause he's pro-life?  Charlie Brown   Sep-28-05 01:11 AM   #94 
                             - Never said that did I?  dhinojosa   Sep-28-05 11:15 AM   #105 
  - HAH! The OP is busted by his own petard!  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:05 PM   #25 
  - I read the link and the quote, doesn't change the fact  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 06:08 PM   #27 
     - Give me a break  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:16 PM   #33 
     - Oh the country is TOO catholic and we are TOO christian  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 06:35 PM   #41 
        - I thought your OP was the height of desperation. It's not.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:53 PM   #49 
     - I think this same strategy was used against Democrats in the early '70s.  1932   Sep-27-05 06:21 PM   #37 
     - So if he doesn't roll up his sleeves and do one himself  Mandate My Ass   Sep-27-05 06:26 PM   #40 
  - That's how I personally feel about it.  Zynx   Sep-27-05 06:09 PM   #29 
  - Very impressive.  1932   Sep-27-05 06:17 PM   #35 
  - Looks like you closed the book on the matter.  Zhade   Sep-27-05 07:44 PM   #68 
  - By the logic I see at work here, JFK, LBJ, and FDR were also anti-abortion  JVS   Sep-27-05 05:53 PM   #21 
  - Hugo Chavez is the only world leader  Karenina   Sep-27-05 06:00 PM   #24 
  - I found it. I was startled the first time I saw it. Recognized it  Judi Lynn   Sep-28-05 11:45 AM   #107 
     - Oh Judi Lynn, you're all that and a bag o'chips!  Karenina   Sep-28-05 12:27 PM   #110 
  - He's a Catholic for goodness sakes. Why does it surprise anyone  cantstandbush   Sep-27-05 06:12 PM   #30 
  - He isn't even THAT much anti-abortion  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 06:18 PM   #36 
  - This is so pathetic. This should be a lesson in why you need to look at  1932   Sep-27-05 06:15 PM   #31 
  - Gee! If that isn't grounds to invade Venezuela I don't know what is!  devilgrrl   Sep-27-05 06:15 PM   #32 
  - Most women do not WANT abortions..but poverty forces it upon them  patdem   Sep-27-05 06:38 PM   #42 
  - Unfortunately that is false....  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 06:44 PM   #44 
  - WHOA! Right-wing site!  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 07:01 PM   #52 
  - Jesus F'n Christ.  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:11 PM   #57 
     - I invite everybody here to look at the site's front page  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 07:12 PM   #59 
        - OH GOD NO! A QUOTE FROM PATRICK MOYNIHAN!!!!!!!!!  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:20 PM   #64 
  - That study isn't much better than the one it tries to refute  jmm   Sep-27-05 07:04 PM   #56 
     - Well, you got some other studies?  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:11 PM   #58 
  - I agree. And -- factcheck notwithstanding -- Hillary was careful and  Czolgosz   Sep-27-05 07:26 PM   #66 
  - Oh here we go. Most women I know wanted abortions.  readmoreoften   Sep-27-05 08:02 PM   #72 
  - Viva Hugo!  zippy890   Sep-27-05 06:47 PM   #45 
  - Shhhh! Quiet about Socialism or the anti-ANSWER people will post here!  Czolgosz   Sep-28-05 12:00 AM   #82 
  - My best friend's wife is anti-abortion  mtnsnake   Sep-27-05 06:47 PM   #46 
  - Nope, if you don't support my physical health and safety  readmoreoften   Sep-27-05 08:10 PM   #74 
  - Venezuela's positions on abortion are Venezuela's to work out,  Crunchy Frog   Sep-27-05 06:51 PM   #47 
  - Do you seriously think the opposition will change that? n/t  Darranar   Sep-27-05 06:55 PM   #51 
  - Course he is! Is the Pope  zidzi   Sep-27-05 07:04 PM   #55 
  - So are many Democrats.  Mr_Spock   Sep-27-05 07:15 PM   #61 
  - The simple fact that he hasn't imposed his viewpoint on the country  0rganism   Sep-27-05 07:19 PM   #63 
  - EGG-ZACKTLY! You nailed it! (nt)  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-27-05 07:22 PM   #65 
  - it's already been imposed for him. nt  dhinojosa   Sep-27-05 07:48 PM   #69 
     - By the 90% or so of the Catholics in Venezuela?  alittlelark   Sep-28-05 12:25 AM   #87 
  - Both sides of this debate really have no bearing on anything.  LoZoccolo   Sep-27-05 07:28 PM   #67 
  - Oops.  LoZoccolo   Sep-27-05 08:29 PM   #75 
  - So this doesn't bother me, sorry.  OnionPatch   Sep-27-05 07:50 PM   #70 
  - Oh Puh-lease...  CatBoreal   Sep-27-05 07:53 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-05 08:05 PM   #73 
  - Why is the pro-life stance the only one we can't forgive?  DerekG   Sep-27-05 08:43 PM   #76 
  - because if a woman is forced to be a breeder  Scout   Sep-27-05 09:56 PM   #81 
  - Alas, other issues do take precedence over abortion politics  DerekG   Sep-28-05 09:55 AM   #100 
     - it is insulting to be told your right to your own body...  Scout   Sep-28-05 11:08 AM   #103 
        - Google "Fallujah" and take a look at our handiwork  DerekG   Sep-28-05 02:30 PM   #112 
           - honey, you have been very sheltered if you think  Scout   Sep-28-05 02:46 PM   #114 
              - Consider the "pretty please" a trade off for your "kapeesh"  DerekG   Sep-28-05 03:14 PM   #115 
  - If women truly had coices, they would choose to PREVENT  ElectroPrincess   Sep-28-05 12:09 AM   #84 
     - FYI, I'm pro-choice, so I don't need the nuances explained to me  DerekG   Sep-28-05 02:07 PM   #111 
     - Believe me when I say I want the same things as you  DerekG   Sep-28-05 03:45 PM   #116 
  - check yr map  pitohui   Sep-27-05 09:02 PM   #78 
  - So?  Redstone   Sep-27-05 09:04 PM   #79 
  - Wow  eggman67   Sep-27-05 09:10 PM   #80 
  - Hey I'm about as liberal as they come and yes, I'm pro-life  ElectroPrincess   Sep-28-05 12:05 AM   #83 
  - You sound very much like me.  Zynx   Sep-28-05 07:37 AM   #96 
  - I don't know one person who is pro-abortion.  electricray   Sep-28-05 12:32 AM   #88 
  - Great. Another tiresome debate about a liberal who doesn't walk in  LibInTexas   Sep-28-05 12:37 AM   #89 
  - Abortion is illegal in most Latin American countries  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-28-05 12:37 AM   #90 
  - Guys, Robert Byrd is also pro-life  Charlie Brown   Sep-28-05 12:44 AM   #92 
  - Its sad how many people on this thread will gladly sellout because  tx_dem41   Sep-28-05 07:28 AM   #95 
  - What an interesting set of links!  Bridget Burke   Sep-28-05 07:50 AM   #97 
  - Non-Sequitur. EOM  K-W   Sep-28-05 08:13 AM   #99 
  - edit  Binka   Sep-28-05 10:08 AM   #101 
  - Duro Chávez. ¡No Joda!  RedCloud   Sep-28-05 10:10 AM   #102 
  - Of course he is, as are most South American leaders  goodhue   Sep-28-05 11:13 AM   #104 
  - You can be anti-abortion, but pro-choice.  Fla Dem   Sep-28-05 11:48 AM   #108 
  - Nice try! Great idea. Smooth. You're too quick for us. n/t  Judi Lynn   Sep-28-05 11:59 AM   #109 
  - But-but-but ....  H2O Man   Sep-28-05 02:38 PM   #113 
  - What you should know  True American   Sep-28-05 03:58 PM   #117 
 

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