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43. God dammit! Just when I think fundies couldn't sink any lower,
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 11:05 AM by Ladyhawk
they go and prove me wrong.

KyndCulture, I was raised by fundies and have had a lot of experience with the "Assembly of God" types. My social studies teacher (at a fundy school) went to a church that was very similar to the Assembly of God and he was batshit crazy. He thought Jiminy Cricket from the Disney film Pinocchio was satanic because he sang "When You Wish upon a Star." My social studies teacher said Jiminy was alluding to astrology, which is satanic. Alrighty then.

When I got to college, the friends I had grown up with in fundy school abandoned me because I wasn't being a good enough Christian in their eyes. My crime? I was depressed. Christians don't get depressed, so obviously my "walk with Christ" was not right. These friends even tried to cast a demon out of me. Yeah, that works great for depression. :sarcasm:

Your boyfriend's mother is in deep trouble, KyndCulture. I've never completely recovered from the betrayal I endured and it sounds like Mom is headed down the same path. My friends' betrayal is one of the things that led to my questioning the entire religion, but it was a long, painful process and I had to go it all alone. At this point in her life, I doubt Mom will be able to question the religious construct, but if she does, her entire world view may crumble and that will leave her feeling very lost.

At this point she is thinking, "Either God is wrong or I'm wrong." Of course, in order to keep her faith, she'll have to assume she's wrong, which will cause her to sink further into depression.

There is a third option that works for some fundies being betrayed by other fundies, and yes, fundies betray each other all the time. Because of their belief in original sin, fundies can never feel godly enough, so they either feel inadequate or project that inadequacy on others to make themselves feel better.

The third option for Mom is to blame the church and the people in it for not being godly enough. At this point in her life if Mom loses her religion, her whole world view, it could have disastrous results, so finding another church would probably be the best option for her. If you can find a liberal church in the area (a liberal Episcopalian or Lutheran church might do), perhaps you could encourage her to attend it, or perhaps call the priest / pastor and have him talk with her.

If the Ass of God church follows through, Mom is in big emotional trouble.

Good luck.

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  -Extremely disturbing run-in with my partner's Mom's Fundie Church. KyndCulture  Sep-26-05 10:38 AM   #0 
  - Well, reason is out the window.  trotsky   Sep-26-05 10:41 AM   #1 
  - Maybe a blessing in disguise  Armstead   Sep-26-05 10:42 AM   #2 
  - That "church" sounds like a seriously sick community  moc   Sep-26-05 10:42 AM   #3 
  - Disgusting  Oreo   Sep-26-05 10:42 AM   #4 
  - She is not in a church,  Betsy Ross   Sep-26-05 10:43 AM   #5 
  - Wholeheartedly agree this is a cult...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 10:46 AM   #14 
     - What Betsy Ross said.  speedoo   Sep-26-05 10:55 AM   #36 
     - You don't have to be a believer to take/go to church with her.  Betsy Ross   Sep-26-05 11:03 AM   #44 
     - Can you get her in to see a pastoral counselor?  moc   Sep-26-05 11:17 AM   #54 
     - Interesting choice of words  SemperEadem   Sep-26-05 12:02 PM   #73 
     - Personally, I'd tell her to STFU, but I'm not her daughter...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 12:05 PM   #75 
     - If the boyfriend and his sister want some peace  ohio_liberal   Sep-26-05 12:32 PM   #89 
     - I doubt she would like a more sane church. These  anitar1   Sep-26-05 03:24 PM   #115 
     - Can't one sue a church for malpractice? Sounds like an appropriate  elehhhhna   Sep-26-05 01:14 PM   #98 
     - It does sound cultish... also  sproutster   Sep-26-05 06:37 PM   #130 
  - It certainly is batshit lunacy, but I'm not at all surprised.  bertha katzenengel   Sep-26-05 10:43 AM   #6 
  - Unreal. Why is this church still in the country after 8 years of Clinton  FloridaPat   Sep-26-05 10:43 AM   #7 
  - IMO: I'd tell mom, "So sorry"  wtbymark   Sep-26-05 10:44 AM   #8 
  - Any Chance Mom Misunderstood  iamjoy   Sep-26-05 10:45 AM   #9 
  - Could also be a ruse the pastor is using to sucker the kids in  Walt Starr   Sep-26-05 10:47 AM   #17 
  - Nope, she didn't misunderstand...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 10:48 AM   #19 
  - If she really was KICK out by her church, you'll know this soon enough.  Rainscents   Sep-26-05 10:56 AM   #38 
  - POST THAT LETTER! (please?)  elehhhhna   Sep-26-05 01:15 PM   #99 
  - I agree  Ratty   Sep-26-05 02:50 PM   #113 
  - it's nothing new, guilty by association  tocqueville   Sep-26-05 10:45 AM   #10 
  - this is emotional blackmail  pitohui   Sep-26-05 10:45 AM   #11 
  - Maybe your boyfriend's Mom is making it all up  new_beawr   Sep-26-05 10:45 AM   #12 
  - No, we saw the letter...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 10:50 AM   #29 
     - Good Luck  new_beawr   Sep-26-05 10:55 AM   #35 
     - Does she have assets?  SemperEadem   Sep-26-05 12:06 PM   #76 
        - Oh, now that is a good point  0rganism   Sep-26-05 02:16 PM   #108 
  - One distinct possibility is that mom is fabricating the threat  ladjf   Sep-26-05 10:45 AM   #13 
  - Well yeah, I've got a thought  whatever4   Sep-26-05 10:47 AM   #15 
  - WHOA!!!!!!!!! that's a GREAT point.  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 10:52 AM   #34 
  - Oh, you're welcome, so happy if that helped  whatever4   Sep-26-05 12:24 PM   #87 
  - About that "brother's keeper."  Silverhair   Sep-26-05 11:51 AM   #69 
  - Yeah I got that...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 12:03 PM   #74 
  - "I am not my brother's keeper"  rockymountaindem   Sep-26-05 12:14 PM   #79 
  - See? I'm really not Christian, can't even fake it :) Thanks 4 helping nm  whatever4   Sep-26-05 12:26 PM   #88 
  - My first thought, exactly! Y'all should call & ask if you tithe but  elehhhhna   Sep-26-05 01:17 PM   #100 
  - Actually, the passage you're talking about CONDEMNS  donco6   Sep-26-05 01:24 PM   #104 
  - it's a cult not a church  jokerman93   Sep-26-05 10:47 AM   #16 
  - Can y'all just put your arms around her and tell her you love her?  Demoiselle   Sep-26-05 10:48 AM   #18 
  - Aren't we all sinners?  dist22dem   Sep-26-05 10:48 AM   #20 
  - divorce is allowed  SemperEadem   Sep-26-05 12:13 PM   #78 
     - Interesting...  dist22dem   Sep-26-05 12:52 PM   #92 
  - Help her find a new church.  kerry-is-my-prez   Sep-26-05 10:48 AM   #21 
  - It's not a church. Get her out of the cult.  Bernardo de La Paz   Sep-26-05 11:21 AM   #56 
  - Yes! A new church is what she needs  OnionPatch   Sep-26-05 02:38 PM   #112 
  - my take on this:  ret5hd   Sep-26-05 10:49 AM   #22 
  - religious insanity is getting worse and worse  leftofthedial   Sep-26-05 10:49 AM   #23 
  - Could it be that she hasn't been tithing????  MADem   Sep-26-05 10:49 AM   #24 
  - Lunacy is correct in this case.  rbajai   Sep-26-05 10:49 AM   #25 
  - however  SemperEadem   Sep-26-05 12:18 PM   #82 
  - Make sure she is not doing this to manipulate you.  murielm99   Sep-26-05 10:49 AM   #26 
  - Worse than adulterers  charlie   Sep-26-05 10:55 AM   #37 
  - I grew up in a predominantly Baptist community - nothing new here  liberal N proud   Sep-26-05 10:50 AM   #27 
  - any thoughts on this batshit lunacy? ..... wow,...is my thought, lol  seabeyond   Sep-26-05 10:50 AM   #28 
  - Having been raised in the AofG, I must say that this is rather  Skidmore   Sep-26-05 10:51 AM   #30 
  - never a member, but arnd many...this does not sound typical  bobbieinok   Sep-26-05 12:14 PM   #80 
  - Similar experience  ozarkvet   Sep-26-05 03:25 PM   #116 
  - That is my experience with the A/G, also...  pelagius   Sep-26-05 03:45 PM   #121 
  - Take her for a visit to a similar but not so radical church. n/t  Snotcicles   Sep-26-05 10:52 AM   #31 
  - That is so sad.  crispini   Sep-26-05 10:52 AM   #32 
  - Tell her leaving is a blessing in disguise. She needs to be reminded  Ilsa   Sep-26-05 10:52 AM   #33 
  - You cannot reason with those who hear voices, and  TWiley   Sep-26-05 10:56 AM   #39 
  - Just an idea...  Gidney N Cloyd   Sep-26-05 10:57 AM   #40 
  - Why did the church allow this to go for so long  dogday   Sep-26-05 10:59 AM   #41 
  - Secular therapy and better medication.  porphyrian   Sep-26-05 10:59 AM   #42 
  - God dammit! Just when I think fundies couldn't sink any lower,  Ladyhawk   Sep-26-05 11:02 AM   #43 
  - Ladyhawke, this is what I wanted to know.. what you posted.  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:20 AM   #55 
  - If you know of a nice liberal church  zalinda   Sep-26-05 11:04 AM   #45 
  - An ex-fundie preacher turned big ole queer responds...  Imagine My Surprise   Sep-26-05 11:05 AM   #46 
  - They are a hate group and extremely right wing.  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:42 AM   #64 
  - She needs a new church. a REAL one, not a cult  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-26-05 11:06 AM   #47 
  - Point her  Coyote_Bandit   Sep-26-05 11:06 AM   #48 
  - my thoughts?  madrchsod   Sep-26-05 11:06 AM   #49 
  - Everyone, thank you so much! I just LOVE DU!  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:08 AM   #50 
  - Does the Assembly of God have a HQs?  mandyky   Sep-26-05 11:35 AM   #60 
  - Yes, in Springfield, MO..  Imagine My Surprise   Sep-26-05 11:38 AM   #61 
     - Good place to start with a letter! for sure. !  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:39 AM   #63 
     - Well.....I wouldn't bet on that. This is Stephanie, not Michael  JanMichael   Sep-26-05 12:16 PM   #81 
  - My Grandmother was a member of  dogday   Sep-28-05 08:17 AM   #135 
  - Personally, I'd get her to a UCC church ASAP, just to calm her down.  iconoclastic cat   Sep-26-05 11:08 AM   #51 
  - Well, first thing...((hugs)) to all involved (not the church, of course)  Solly Mack   Sep-26-05 11:11 AM   #52 
  - Here's my 2 cents...  ms liberty   Sep-26-05 11:16 AM   #53 
  - Amazing story.  Horse with no Name   Sep-26-05 11:21 AM   #57 
  - Have her son and daughter tell her that  tinfoilinfor2005   Sep-26-05 11:29 AM   #58 
  - Jehovah's Witnesses do this all the time  mandyky   Sep-26-05 11:32 AM   #59 
  - Yes, that's what I was wondering...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:38 AM   #62 
  - More lunacy from the fundie churches across the globe  sakabatou   Sep-26-05 11:44 AM   #65 
  - That is extremely abnormal for an A of G church to do that.  Silverhair   Sep-26-05 11:46 AM   #66 
  - My father is an Assemblies of God minister  Fuzz   Sep-26-05 11:47 AM   #67 
  - A bit upthread I posted that...  KyndCulture   Sep-26-05 11:55 AM   #70 
     - Yeah, It's not sanctioned, but I also don't think it's frowned on either  Fuzz   Sep-26-05 12:18 PM   #83 
  - I'm going to get flamed for this  dweeb   Sep-26-05 11:50 AM   #68 
  - too harsh  marions ghost   Sep-26-05 12:53 PM   #93 
  - Harshly written, but I must agree with part of it,  WritingIsMyReligion   Sep-26-05 03:25 PM   #117 
  - Damn you are Harsh  jzodda   Sep-26-05 03:26 PM   #118 
  - I would guess  Lexingtonian   Sep-26-05 11:56 AM   #71 
  - Sounds like my brother-in-law's mother.  ieoeja   Sep-26-05 11:58 AM   #72 
  - This is the fundies new tactic, guild by association...  Javaman   Sep-26-05 12:06 PM   #77 
  - I believe it  shadowknows69   Sep-26-05 12:20 PM   #84 
  - There are some wonderful books out there about  IdaBriggs   Sep-26-05 12:23 PM   #85 
  - Completely goes against AOG doctrine  doni_georgia   Sep-26-05 12:23 PM   #86 
  - According to the bible, we're all sinners...  Fox Mulder   Sep-26-05 12:35 PM   #90 
  - My heart goes out to all of you....  jackster   Sep-26-05 12:48 PM   #91 
  - Typical fundie crap  melody   Sep-26-05 12:53 PM   #94 
  - Hey, If She Can't See Through The Haze,,,,  ChiciB1   Sep-26-05 01:00 PM   #95 
  - How about Publicly shaming the Church?  MsTryska   Sep-26-05 01:05 PM   #96 
  - All you can do is plant the seed of doubt in her mind...  youthere   Sep-26-05 01:11 PM   #97 
  - Not true! There IS something they can do!!!  Norquist Nemesis   Sep-26-05 01:20 PM   #102 
  - This batshit lunacy is the very reason why I detest organized religion  TK421   Sep-26-05 01:20 PM   #101 
  - I'm a practicing agnostic  blogslut   Sep-26-05 01:24 PM   #103 
  - How sad...  Contrary1   Sep-26-05 01:25 PM   #105 
  - Ain't Christianity Great!? Here's another passage -  donco6   Sep-26-05 01:27 PM   #106 
  - Superceded  ozarkvet   Sep-26-05 03:27 PM   #119 
     - Interesting. So when Jesus said,  donco6   Sep-26-05 04:53 PM   #123 
        - No scholar here  ozarkvet   Sep-26-05 06:03 PM   #124 
           - Ha! I think I was the only one  donco6   Sep-26-05 07:11 PM   #132 
  - Hasn't another church done this a week or two ago?  derby378   Sep-26-05 02:05 PM   #107 
  - The best thing you can do with the superstitious is  buddyhollysghost   Sep-26-05 02:24 PM   #109 
  - I can't believe that this would happen.  Dorian Gray   Sep-26-05 02:26 PM   #110 
  - What would the top tier of the AoG think of this?  hippiegranny   Sep-26-05 02:30 PM   #111 
  - And what would the IRS think  Catrina   Sep-26-05 03:16 PM   #114 
  - I smell a rat. I think your MIL is doing a dirty trick  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-26-05 03:30 PM   #120 
  - Tell her to ask them if they think  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Sep-26-05 04:34 PM   #122 
  - She's not all that stable (she takes meds...  donheld   Sep-26-05 06:08 PM   #125 
  - They are not real Christians.  SocratesInSpirit   Sep-26-05 06:10 PM   #126 
  - "Judge not, lest ye be judged."  Straight Shooter   Sep-26-05 06:10 PM   #127 
  - Is she blaming you guys for the booting, or is she upset with the church?  LittleClarkie   Sep-26-05 06:15 PM   #128 
  - Tell her, No Church w/ a foundation in Christ would ask her to do this.  Ioo   Sep-26-05 06:32 PM   #129 
  - All that comes to mind is to find another church...  cynatnite   Sep-26-05 06:45 PM   #131 
  - Any follow up on what you decided to do?  mandyky   Sep-27-05 03:11 PM   #133 
  - Common among JW's too  JNelson6563   Sep-27-05 03:17 PM   #134 
 

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