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42. "Single point agenda"? I'm sorry, I just don't agree. That was the...
mistake we made in 1967 and thereafter in the Vietnam War protests. We did not sufficiently address the CAUSES of the war: 1) war profiteers, first and foremost; b) Corporate Rule, poverty and injustice (the poor fought the war); c) the lack of humane and progressive values under our Corporate Rulers, evident in their continuing devastation of our planetary environment; and d) a humongous military machine with the most Weapons of Mass Destruction on the planet--and an economy based on war industries for the last 60 years.

What should we expect but that outright fascists would gain illegitimate control of this huge killing machine and use it to steal another country's resources?

Over a million Vietnamese slaughtered, over 50,000 U.S dead, and we did not go on to insist that this horrid killing machine be dismantled AND that our tax revenues, mostly--with the Reagan era--confiscated from law-abiding, poor and middle class American taxpayers, be utilized to benefit the American people, and to foster justice and peace in the world.

We failed because we DID NOT ADDRESS THE BIGGER PICTURE: the rich getting richer; the poor getting poorer and being used for cannon fodder; gigantic U.S.-based war-profiteering corporations and news monopolies; and the poor and the brown oppressed everywhere on earth.

This movement is NOT just about ending the Iraq war. It is about ending HOW that war COULD go forward despite the overwhelming opposition of the American people. Many people don't remember this, but it stuck in my mind, never to be dislodged. 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. Feb. '03. Across the board in all polls. Before all the lies were exposed; before all the horror and costs of it were known. 58%!

That number dipped only once, during the weeks of the invasion with U.S. troops at max risk, then when right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed through the election--and is over 70% today.

The question is HOW could this war have happened with such big opposition early on? The immediate answer is that the American majority has been DISENFRANCHISED, and, by the time of the 2004 election, was disenfranchised very directly, by two rightwing corporations, Diebold and ES&S, who gained control of the vote tabulation with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--and with the war profiteering corporate news monopolies actually FALSIFYING their own exit polls (Kerry won) to fit the result derived by Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae (Bush won). And if that SECRET, PROPRIETARY vote tabulation continues, there is NOTHING we can do to "bring the troops home." They will never come home. They will go on to Iran and Syria. And even if the Diebold and ES&S install a War Democrat in 2008, the purpose will be to get a military Draft (which Bush can't do) and to perpetuate this unjust, war-mongering economy.

That's what we're facing if we don't restore our right to vote! And beyond that, OUR RIGHT TO CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT, and to use it to benefit all the people.

War and injustice go together! They always have. And if you don't address the injustice, you WILL have another war, and another, and another.

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  -500,000 - Will Pitt helderheid  Sep-24-05 11:49 PM   #0 
  - keep kicked  brettdale   Sep-24-05 11:50 PM   #1 
  - Thank you!  helderheid   Sep-24-05 11:51 PM   #2 
  - please nominate - I am so proud of us!  helderheid   Sep-24-05 11:53 PM   #4 
  - back in NJ - its after midnite  FogerRox   Sep-24-05 11:53 PM   #3 
  - I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:02 AM   #8 
  - They should have seen the rows of buses It was incredible  cal04   Sep-24-05 11:54 PM   #5 
  - hell they shut down the metro and amtrack and we still came out on top!  helderheid   Sep-24-05 11:57 PM   #6 
     - We heard about that today. I just saw the article in the WP  cal04   Sep-25-05 12:13 AM   #14 
     - Two days to go, too  MADem   Sep-25-05 12:19 AM   #17 
     - Tigress DEM checking in, yeah, 10's of thousands still moving...  Tigress DEM   Sep-25-05 09:25 AM   #33 
     - Fri Nite DU meetup @ DA RFD about 50 I was told - SAT Sign IN posted below  Tigress DEM   Sep-25-05 09:36 AM   #34 
        - Thank you for getting the list together  LynneSin   Sep-26-05 03:41 PM   #57 
     - I was glad I only had a few stops to get to the Mall  redwitch   Sep-26-05 06:49 AM   #55 
  - by the way (blatant plug)  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:00 AM   #7 
  - Kick -- to get the truth out! 500,000 + attendance. n/t  Stand and Fight   Sep-25-05 12:04 AM   #9 
  - thanks!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:07 AM   #10 
  - Mr zola & I were there today!  me b zola   Sep-25-05 12:09 AM   #11 
  - THANK YOU!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:10 AM   #13 
  - .  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:09 AM   #12 
  - I believe it was my 5th vote that put this thread over the top to "fave"  Bucky   Sep-25-05 12:14 AM   #15 
  - LMAO!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 12:16 AM   #16 
  - Kick!  burrowowl   Sep-25-05 01:04 AM   #18 
  - The pictures I've seen of the elipse and the elapsed time of folk ...  understandinglife   Sep-25-05 01:05 AM   #19 
  - Thanks Will  jmatthan   Sep-25-05 01:23 AM   #20 
  - "Single point agenda"? I'm sorry, I just don't agree. That was the...  Peace Patriot   Sep-25-05 12:24 PM   #42 
     - All you say is correct  jmatthan   Sep-25-05 11:28 PM   #51 
  - kick.nt  kster   Sep-25-05 02:02 AM   #21 
  - Yeah, bay-bee!  chalky   Sep-25-05 02:04 AM   #22 
  - I was there. I have never seen such a massive rally  Zuni   Sep-25-05 02:04 AM   #23 
  - Wow, that number 500,000 would be a record #, right? n/t  texpatriot2004   Sep-25-05 03:14 AM   #24 
  - I have heard that in '68 it was 500k- then in '69 it was 1 million  FogerRox   Sep-25-05 05:55 PM   #48 
  - Just imagining that makes ME cry  ismnotwasm   Sep-25-05 06:24 PM   #50 
  - Million Man March...  itzamirakul   Sep-26-05 06:50 AM   #56 
  - The best thing?  cornermouse   Sep-25-05 03:45 AM   #25 
  - Excellent!  darkenedhalo   Sep-25-05 04:32 AM   #26 
  - I saw at least 500,000, too.  intheflow   Sep-25-05 05:24 AM   #27 
  - Just turned on CNN Headline news - lots of footage!  DemReadingDU   Sep-25-05 05:35 AM   #28 
  - Everyone write to Media, both Good and Bad, please!  Tigress DEM   Sep-25-05 09:47 AM   #35 
  - All I can say is wow...  DarkTirade   Sep-25-05 05:36 AM   #29 
  - Too bad the dem leadership is so tone-deaf. Or rather, Vichy Dems.  gulfcoastliberal   Sep-25-05 08:52 AM   #30 
  - My local news characterized it as 'protesters from both sides'  spanone   Sep-25-05 08:55 AM   #31 
  - Good thing a lot of us are still here to Counter the Counter Protesters  Tigress DEM   Sep-25-05 09:52 AM   #36 
  - Haha the part of the "other side" that I saw consisted of 2 large  tnlefty   Sep-25-05 09:57 AM   #37 
  - My paper went with the statement by the DC police chief...  Pacifist Patriot   Sep-25-05 02:19 PM   #43 
  - I was there  Puregonzo1188   Sep-25-05 09:07 AM   #32 
  - A kick for the numbers. (n/t)  kenzee13   Sep-25-05 10:33 AM   #38 
  - It would be great to be able to get a more accurate tally next time  Judi Lynn   Sep-25-05 10:59 AM   #39 
  - Kick for the mornin!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 11:23 AM   #40 
  - kick  Land Shark   Sep-25-05 11:28 AM   #41 
  - When I saw the college folks, I told Kat, "Will should see this"  arnheim   Sep-25-05 03:52 PM   #44 
  - I wish I could have been with you!  helderheid   Sep-25-05 03:57 PM   #46 
     - I was hoping to meet more DUers than I did  arnheim   Sep-25-05 04:18 PM   #47 
  - kick it for the hunderds of thousands of American patriots. n/t  texpatriot2004   Sep-25-05 03:54 PM   #45 
  - breaker breaker there good buddy-- we got ourselves a convoy  FogerRox   Sep-25-05 06:15 PM   #49 
     - We got a great big convoy rockin and rollin tonight, Yeah, we got  texpatriot2004   Sep-26-05 05:53 PM   #58 
  - Don't we require links anymore?  paineinthearse   Sep-25-05 11:32 PM   #52 
  - Needed Peace Keepers at front.  willing dwarf   Sep-26-05 12:36 AM   #53 
  - Ok, Now I understand  redwitch   Sep-26-05 06:44 AM   #54 
  - Exactly. For a long time at the elipse it was a stand still. We sat out  DrZeeLit   Sep-26-05 08:51 PM   #62 
  - Metro ridership was up 120,000 from a normal Saturday count  LiberalEsto   Sep-26-05 06:07 PM   #59 
  - Yeah -- 500k--- like in '68 --next time 1 million like in ;69  FogerRox   Sep-26-05 08:21 PM   #60 
  - "...but it is not of the magnitude, 500,000 people outside the White House  Algorem   Sep-26-05 08:41 PM   #61 
 

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