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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 04:13 AM
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Clark supporters & opposers needed for refutations or confirmations
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My brother listened to some rightwing hate radio to get "balanced" after listening to Democracy Now (Amy Goodman's show). These are the memorable parts of the Smear on Clark, from his perspective:

> Some of the stuff I've heard
> suggests that General Clark is pretty fucked up. A suggestion
> that he lied about the white house pressuring him to link Iraq
> and Al Quaida, a suggestion that he was somewhat responsible
> for the waco mess, a suggestion that he ordered the british to
> attack the russians in the bosnia-serbia mess, and a suggestion
> that he was responsible for the bombing of the chinese embassy,
> are the things that stuck in my mind.

So right off the bat, it's vague and suggestive, with little actual fact retention. This is, IMHO, due to the sources, who'd prefer that there be little fact retention. It's easier that way, right?

So I'd like to help set him straight. Pointwise, the allegations are

1) he lied about the white house pressuring him to link Iraq and Al Qaida

This is probably based in a blanket denial by the white house. Now I know this is an involved story, only some of which I've retained. Does anyone have the full thing summarized down to a short paragraph?

2) he was somewhat responsible for the waco mess

My understanding was he worked for NATO at the time, not ATF, FBI, or Texas police. So anyone who knows the details on the origin of this "suggestion", go ahead and brief me. It could, of course, be complete baseless fabrication and it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Waco is like a second Pearl Harbor to the right wing.

3) he ordered the british to attack the russians in the bosnia-serbia mess

News to me. Anyone have a line on the incident in question?

4) he was responsible for the bombing of the chinese embassy

As I understand it, this is because the NATO command acted on faulty CIA reports that the embassy was vacated. Did Clark himself order the bombing? What's the backstory on this?

Let me make it clear that my post is NOT intended to smear Clark, quite the opposite. I'm asking for an assist in clarifying this for my brother, and I think he's asking for clarification, too. This is what the radio haters were saying about Clark last week, whether you like it or not, and it deserves a succinct, forthright response.
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  -Clark supporters & opposers needed for refutations or confirmations 0rganism  Oct-05-03 04:13 AM   #0 
  - This is the case against Clark  sandnsea   Oct-05-03 04:34 AM   #1 
  - Hope this is enough for your use!  catforclark2004   Oct-05-03 05:12 AM   #2 
  - what it a "blog?" eom  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 05:17 AM   #4 
  - Should the source be a publication of your choosing?  catforclark2004   Oct-05-03 05:39 AM   #5 
  - i was asking: what is a blog?  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 05:47 AM   #6 
     - Short for web log  OKNancy   Oct-05-03 05:56 AM   #7 
     - thanks, OKNancy! now...what is a web log?  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 06:00 AM   #8 
        - When a person  OKNancy   Oct-05-03 06:04 AM   #10 
           - thank you...i think i understand what a "blog" is now  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 06:07 AM   #11 
              - Don't feel bad, Noir  Rowdyboy   Oct-05-03 06:14 AM   #13 
                 - thanks, steve  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 06:51 AM   #16 
     - NYT is a Blog? Salon web log?by Cat M. & Spinsanity....good for me!  catforclark2004   Oct-05-03 06:08 AM   #12 
        - i asked what a "blog" is  noiretblu   Oct-05-03 06:42 AM   #14 
           - In reality, its just a diary...  Rowdyboy   Oct-05-03 06:51 AM   #17 
  - Blogs Are Many Things  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 02:21 PM   #30 
     - thank you for the explanation, Cat M. nt  noiretblu   Oct-06-03 10:32 AM   #51 
     - Blogs can be interesting  RandomUser   Oct-06-03 03:45 PM   #54 
  - great info Cat - thanks  janekat   Oct-05-03 09:55 AM   #21 
  - Excellent- I will mail this to myself, and post it often.  Dr Fate   Oct-05-03 05:31 PM   #33 
  - Refutations  Bleachers7   Oct-05-03 05:16 AM   #3 
  - Canadian think-tank - #1  OKNancy   Oct-05-03 06:02 AM   #9 
  - WACO Was Bush SR's F*ck Up  cryingshame   Oct-05-03 06:46 AM   #15 
  - On the other hand, the table turned on honest (?) right wingism.  TacticalPeak   Oct-05-03 09:03 AM   #18 
  - Some of the stuff about Clark is true  IndianaGreen   Oct-05-03 09:12 AM   #19 
  - Funny How You Gloss Over The Fact  cryingshame   Oct-05-03 09:53 AM   #20 
  - Human Rights Groups  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 02:10 PM   #28 
  - This 'baggage' is precisley why Clark is not ELECTABLE  gully   Oct-05-03 09:58 AM   #22 
  - Problem With Your Theory  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 02:13 PM   #29 
  - Uhm...  gully   Oct-05-03 05:48 PM   #35 
     - Very confusing  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 06:50 PM   #36 
     - I couldn't disagree with you more.  gully   Oct-05-03 07:22 PM   #38 
        - Nope, not paid.  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 10:31 PM   #47 
           - Well  gully   Oct-05-03 11:54 PM   #49 
     - Those On The Left Who Consider Clark A War Criminal  cryingshame   Oct-05-03 07:12 PM   #37 
        - I dont think Clark was a war criminal..  gully   Oct-05-03 07:24 PM   #39 
  - Yeah but supporters of every candidate do that on here  mot78   Oct-05-03 09:26 PM   #43 
  - Bring up the fact he's a Rhodes Scholar, First in his class at West Point  janekat   Oct-05-03 10:13 AM   #23 
  - 1 is false, 2 is probably false, 3 is true, 4 is true - kind of.  Devils Advocate NZ   Oct-05-03 10:20 AM   #24 
  - The chain of command  Donna Zen   Oct-05-03 01:18 PM   #26 
  - Clark supporters & opposers needed for refutations or confirmations  oceanbreeze   Oct-05-03 12:50 PM   #25 
  - Hi oceanbreeze!  Donna Zen   Oct-05-03 01:28 PM   #27 
  - All four of these are lies.  rsammel   Oct-05-03 02:56 PM   #31 
  - Thanks for the references, and I hope no one has hard feelings about it  0rganism   Oct-05-03 05:23 PM   #32 
  - The rightwing  Donna Zen   Oct-05-03 05:39 PM   #34 
  - I'm glad you got the info you were looking for  RandomUser   Oct-06-03 02:28 PM   #52 
  - The problem with Clark boils down to this in my book ...  rhite5   Oct-05-03 09:18 PM   #40 
  - rhite 5 that article is worthy of a thread...  gully   Oct-05-03 09:23 PM   #41 
  - Go ahead and do it, gully  rhite5   Oct-05-03 10:20 PM   #46 
  - The "Doctor" Was A Business Friendly DLC Democrat  cryingshame   Oct-05-03 09:24 PM   #42 
     - If a man who is not a real dem wins the presidency...  TLM   Oct-05-03 10:05 PM   #45 
        - What Constitutes a "Real" Dem?  Cat M.   Oct-05-03 10:45 PM   #48 
           - Who is a real Democrat?  Larkspur   Oct-06-03 02:39 PM   #53 
  - Clark did order the Brits to attack the Russians...  TLM   Oct-05-03 10:04 PM   #44 
     - He ordered them to park on airport runways, not to attack.  rsammel   Oct-06-03 12:08 AM   #50 
 

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