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Thu Oct-02-03 03:40 AM
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| 129. I would because Bush can be blamed on the Republicans |
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Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 03:46 AM by Tinoire
from which such obscenities are to be expected and that inarticulate frat-boy is so clumsy that they get caught and the entire machination exposed. With Bush we know exactly what we're up against but Clark is not an inarticulate frat-boy, he's a brilliant Rhoads scholar who knows exactly what he's saying. No, this, while I was out protesting these people, this I can NOT forgive: March 200 3Of the people who are running this war, from Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld and Powell on down, in terms of the political appointees, are there are any who you particularly like who you would work with again, hypothetically, in some ... I like all the people who are there. I've worked with them before. I was a White House Fellow in the Ford administration when Secretary Rumsfeld was White House chief of staff and later Secretary of Defense, and Dick Cheney was the deputy chief of staff at the White House and later the chief. (Deputy Secretary of Defense) Paul Wolfowitz I've known for many, many years. (Deputy National Security Advisor) Steve Hadley at the White House is an old friend. (Under Secretary of Defense for Policy) Doug Feith I worked with very intensively during the time we negotiated the Dayton Peace Agreement; he was representing the Bosnian Muslims then, along with (Pentagon advisor) Richard Perle. So I like these people a lot. They're not strangers. They're old colleagues. Do you disagree with them on their worldview? I disagreed with them on some specific aspects. I would not have gone after the war on terror exactly as did and I laid that out in the . But I also know there's no single best plan. You have to pick a plan that might work and make it work. That means you've got to avoid the plans with the fatal flaws. This administration came into office predisposed to use American troops for war fighting and to realign American foreign policy so it focused on a more robust, more realistic view of the world than the supposedly idealistic view of the previous administration.
But the views that President Bush espoused recently at the American Enterprise Institute, if his predecessor had espoused that view he'd have been hooted off the stage, laughed at, accused of being incredibly idealistic about the hard-nosed practical politics of the Middle East. So this is an administration that's moving in a certain direction, and now that that's the direction they've picked they've got to make it work. Like everybody else, I hope they'll be successful. It's too important; we can't afford to fail.
But certainly you're contemplating running for president -- I understand you haven't made a decision -- so even though you root for their success, you can't agree with their methods.
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/03/24/clark/prin...
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| -A serious question for Clark supporters, and well, everybody really. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 06:32 PM |
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Lieberman's been cyberlynched for far less |
dolstein |
Oct-01-03 06:37 PM |
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The double standard regarding Lieberman has become almost shocking |
roughsatori |
Oct-01-03 07:13 PM |
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I am even handed |
Sterling |
Oct-01-03 07:21 PM |
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DLC Clark is the replacement for DLC Lieberman |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 07:35 PM |
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Very Doubtful |
Bertrand |
Oct-01-03 09:30 PM |
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Yep. The DLC's Ahnold. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:47 PM |
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He's just too conservative for this group |
janekat |
Oct-01-03 09:34 PM |
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That's mostly because of Iraq. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:32 AM |
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I agree, Lieberman has been attacked far more... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:28 PM |
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what a disgusting use of the word "lynching" |
meluseth |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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You know, dolstein, I sincerely agree. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:44 PM |
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The Big Dog Himself |
childslibrarian |
Oct-01-03 06:39 PM |
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The Big Dog himself is ALSO a quasi-Republican, just like Clark. |
RichM |
Oct-01-03 06:41 PM |
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It's attitudes like this |
maha |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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Lotsa Greenholes here. |
10digits |
Oct-01-03 07:42 PM |
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Greenholes? |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:47 PM |
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yup another congenial low post clark supporter... |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-01-03 07:56 PM |
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Another ideological purist? |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:35 AM |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:55 PM |
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Greenholes? Must be a word from the New Dem dictionary |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:15 AM |
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There you Clarkies go again! |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:54 PM |
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That is perhaps the least-thoughtful thing I've read this week |
Mairead |
Oct-02-03 01:13 AM |
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It is? You lucky person! |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:23 AM |
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And Big Dog had a record of being a democrat... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:30 PM |
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hell, I've got repig friends but that doesn't mean I approve of Bush.... |
mike_c |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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And now he's trying to do something about bush. If.. |
Kahuna |
Oct-01-03 10:08 PM |
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Right. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:59 PM |
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There you Clarkies Go Again. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:51 PM |
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Doesn't bother me now |
OKNancy |
Oct-01-03 06:40 PM |
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Same here |
bicentennial_baby |
Oct-01-03 06:45 PM |
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But Clark said most of this stuff during Dubya's term! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:57 PM |
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Uh....OKNancy |
JasonBerry |
Oct-02-03 12:03 AM |
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"Clark lying about being a registered dem" |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 06:41 PM |
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No proof is necessary when sliming Clark. |
QC |
Oct-01-03 06:43 PM |
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When clark announced he was running |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 06:45 PM |
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So what you're saying is... |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 06:48 PM |
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You din't know you had to register |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 06:55 PM |
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Not according to the Democratic Party of Arkansas |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 07:34 PM |
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Clark may SAY he is a democrat... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:51 PM |
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It's easy to get confused, considering |
Jackhammer Jesus |
Oct-01-03 06:58 PM |
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If he re-registers tomorrow |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:56 PM |
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Nope, because it will still beg the question... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:54 PM |
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You're misquoting him, I believe. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:38 AM |
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That's register. Not re-register. To re-register he'd have had to been |
w4rma |
Oct-01-03 08:04 PM |
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Huh? He was registered to vote. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:40 AM |
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A silly issue? |
orangepeel68 |
Oct-01-03 10:15 PM |
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Let's let the Party decide. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:43 AM |
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Well he was planning on getting around to it... |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 07:52 PM |
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Sure, here it is... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:34 PM |
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So now it's a lie by proxy, eh? |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 07:41 PM |
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So now Clark's SPOKESMAN doesn't speak for him? |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:59 PM |
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No |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 08:19 PM |
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Listen, make all the excuses you want... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:25 AM |
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The Weekly Standard is wrong (shock!!) |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 08:11 PM |
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Wrong |
retyred |
Oct-01-03 09:00 PM |
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This is not about my guy.... I'll vote for any of the 9 democrats running |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:31 AM |
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You aren't making sense. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:47 AM |
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I would because Bush can be blamed on the Republicans |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:40 AM |
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Ohmigawd he's not a party hac k. |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:43 PM |
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Ummm... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-01-03 06:44 PM |
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Because you are one of the good guys n/t |
OKNancy |
Oct-01-03 06:51 PM |
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Thanks! |
Padraig18 |
Oct-01-03 06:53 PM |
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I'm not asking this to help Dean... I am asking because I want to know. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:00 PM |
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This is CRITICAL. This is not bashing. This is FUNDAMENTAL! |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:04 AM |
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BTW, next time you post this same old, same old |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:44 PM |
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And I note you attacked me personaly rather than answer... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:02 PM |
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how is this same old, same old? |
sham |
Oct-01-03 09:17 PM |
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I must've seen that exact copy and paste job |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:49 AM |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:06 AM |
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Yes - here's my explanation |
StephNW4Clark |
Oct-01-03 06:46 PM |
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Don't bother with reasoned debate, or detailed explanations |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 06:52 PM |
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Well I appreciate the answers |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:00 PM |
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You mean he doesn't walk on water? |
QC |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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Can you be less perjorative |
clar |
Oct-01-03 07:05 PM |
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Sorry, |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 07:31 PM |
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I understand your frustration |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:49 PM |
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I took a break from boards and "public" politics |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 08:27 PM |
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I hear you |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 08:29 PM |
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Attack the questioner and bash dean... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:04 PM |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:09 AM |
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OK, I'll sink to your level |
SWPAdem |
Oct-02-03 12:54 AM |
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Thank you for your attempt at reasoned debate, and detailed explanation |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 07:08 PM |
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Did you read today's TPM? |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 07:42 PM |
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No, I haven't. But I will now. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 07:54 PM |
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Good interview. This is the relevant part about Reagan. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:23 PM |
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Excellent speech |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:33 PM |
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I was on active duty during the Reagan-Bush years |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:22 PM |
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Thanks for the link on the Reagan speech |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:17 PM |
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My pleasure. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 09:21 PM |
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WOW! That's a frist... actual answers instead of personal attacks. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:22 PM |
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Clark knows how to kiss ass - does Dean? |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Oct-01-03 06:47 PM |
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There is a difference between saying nice things... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:27 PM |
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Yawn - who cares. |
janekat |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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you did enough to respond |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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I think some of the Clark people need some sleep- so many of them yawning |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:03 PM |
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Great segue! |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 08:16 PM |
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Tinoire - If Only People would WAKE UP! |
JasonBerry |
Oct-02-03 12:10 AM |
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I would have just thought that it was politician talk..... |
DemEx_pat |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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Give him a break. |
Former Republican |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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Thank you for gracing us, General. |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:14 AM |
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I'll take a stab at it... |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 06:53 PM |
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You Need To Read Benjamin Franklin, An American Life |
cryingshame |
Oct-01-03 06:55 PM |
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good one cryingshame. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 06:59 PM |
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There is a fundimental contradiction here... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:42 AM |
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The reason why they do not try to answer it |
zeemike |
Oct-01-03 06:57 PM |
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Here's the deal.... |
familydoctor |
Oct-01-03 07:00 PM |
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My take on this.. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-01-03 07:05 PM |
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Even if you buy that for the stuff about W... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:57 AM |
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I could never vote for somebody who ever said such things. |
Sterling |
Oct-01-03 07:16 PM |
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you are funny. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 07:30 PM |
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does this apply |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:51 PM |
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Yes it does. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 08:02 PM |
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Thank you for the honest answer |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 08:10 PM |
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You too? |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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Thank Heavens You Are No More Than What You Are Sterling |
cryingshame |
Oct-01-03 09:09 PM |
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Depends on what you are trying to define as a record of service |
Nicholas_J |
Oct-01-03 08:18 PM |
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So you are saying |
zeemike |
Oct-01-03 08:36 PM |
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Here is my simple answer |
uconnyc |
Oct-01-03 08:33 PM |
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You "trust"? |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:47 PM |
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I only just registered Democrat |
union_maid |
Oct-01-03 08:42 PM |
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There's an important difference. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:46 PM |
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Union Maid Welcome to DU and to the Democratic Party |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 10:46 AM |
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Interesting article about Clark here... |
batman |
Oct-01-03 09:04 PM |
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Clark: National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal 2000 |
Zorra |
Oct-01-03 09:25 PM |
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From the same report, Clark on quality of life issues |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:50 PM |
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Democrats have praised bush's handling of the |
Kahuna |
Oct-01-03 09:59 PM |
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you make an excellent point |
CMT |
Oct-01-03 10:01 PM |
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This Is The Reason Why... |
ScottNeelan |
Oct-01-03 11:30 PM |
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Save it, bait & switch perfesser. |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:19 AM |
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Diebold can! |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:42 PM |
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I will hold my opinion |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-02-03 11:04 AM |
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