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Wed Oct-01-03 06:32 PM
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| A serious question for Clark supporters, and well, everybody really. |
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Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 06:34 PM by TLM
If any of the 9 democrats running had gone to a republican fundraiser in 2001 and said:
"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."
or they had said...
"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."
"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."
Or if they said...
"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."
Would you just give them a pass? If Dean or Edwards or Lieberman etc. had NO record of democratic service or positions, never held office before, were not even registered as democrats, and said the things I quoted above, would you just brush it off?
I know I wouldn't. Hell even with their records and experience, if I found out tomorrow that Dean had said some crap like that about Bush and Reagan and Rummy and W... I'd seriously have to reconsider my support for him.
I am amazed at the Clark supporters who are blowing this off. It seems every day we find out something new about Clark lying about being a registered dem or saying he would have voted for the iraq war resolution... add that to his lack of a record, lack of experience, and lack of honesty about the whole thing and i can't understand why any democrat would support him.
Whenever someone asks about these things, the Clark supporters respond by attacking Dean or attacking whoever asked the questions.
Can anybody defend this stuff?
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| -A serious question for Clark supporters, and well, everybody really. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 06:32 PM |
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Lieberman's been cyberlynched for far less |
dolstein |
Oct-01-03 06:37 PM |
#1 |
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The double standard regarding Lieberman has become almost shocking |
roughsatori |
Oct-01-03 07:13 PM |
#36 |
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I am even handed |
Sterling |
Oct-01-03 07:21 PM |
#38 |
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DLC Clark is the replacement for DLC Lieberman |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 07:35 PM |
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Very Doubtful |
Bertrand |
Oct-01-03 09:30 PM |
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Yep. The DLC's Ahnold. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:47 PM |
#101 |
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He's just too conservative for this group |
janekat |
Oct-01-03 09:34 PM |
#92 |
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That's mostly because of Iraq. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:32 AM |
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I agree, Lieberman has been attacked far more... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:28 PM |
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what a disgusting use of the word "lynching" |
meluseth |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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You know, dolstein, I sincerely agree. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:44 PM |
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The Big Dog Himself |
childslibrarian |
Oct-01-03 06:39 PM |
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The Big Dog himself is ALSO a quasi-Republican, just like Clark. |
RichM |
Oct-01-03 06:41 PM |
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It's attitudes like this |
maha |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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Lotsa Greenholes here. |
10digits |
Oct-01-03 07:42 PM |
#48 |
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Greenholes? |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:47 PM |
#49 |
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yup another congenial low post clark supporter... |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-01-03 07:56 PM |
#56 |
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Another ideological purist? |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:35 AM |
#117 |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:55 PM |
#104 |
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Greenholes? Must be a word from the New Dem dictionary |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:15 AM |
#127 |
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There you Clarkies go again! |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:54 PM |
#103 |
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That is perhaps the least-thoughtful thing I've read this week |
Mairead |
Oct-02-03 01:13 AM |
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It is? You lucky person! |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:23 AM |
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And Big Dog had a record of being a democrat... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:30 PM |
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hell, I've got repig friends but that doesn't mean I approve of Bush.... |
mike_c |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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And now he's trying to do something about bush. If.. |
Kahuna |
Oct-01-03 10:08 PM |
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Right. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:59 PM |
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There you Clarkies Go Again. |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:51 PM |
#102 |
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Doesn't bother me now |
OKNancy |
Oct-01-03 06:40 PM |
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Same here |
bicentennial_baby |
Oct-01-03 06:45 PM |
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But Clark said most of this stuff during Dubya's term! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:57 PM |
#105 |
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Uh....OKNancy |
JasonBerry |
Oct-02-03 12:03 AM |
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"Clark lying about being a registered dem" |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 06:41 PM |
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No proof is necessary when sliming Clark. |
QC |
Oct-01-03 06:43 PM |
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When clark announced he was running |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 06:45 PM |
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So what you're saying is... |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 06:48 PM |
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You din't know you had to register |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 06:55 PM |
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Not according to the Democratic Party of Arkansas |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 07:34 PM |
#44 |
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Clark may SAY he is a democrat... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:51 PM |
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It's easy to get confused, considering |
Jackhammer Jesus |
Oct-01-03 06:58 PM |
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If he re-registers tomorrow |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:56 PM |
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Nope, because it will still beg the question... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:54 PM |
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You're misquoting him, I believe. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:38 AM |
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That's register. Not re-register. To re-register he'd have had to been |
w4rma |
Oct-01-03 08:04 PM |
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Huh? He was registered to vote. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:40 AM |
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A silly issue? |
orangepeel68 |
Oct-01-03 10:15 PM |
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Let's let the Party decide. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:43 AM |
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Well he was planning on getting around to it... |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 07:52 PM |
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Sure, here it is... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:34 PM |
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So now it's a lie by proxy, eh? |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 07:41 PM |
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So now Clark's SPOKESMAN doesn't speak for him? |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 07:59 PM |
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No |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 08:19 PM |
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Listen, make all the excuses you want... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:25 AM |
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The Weekly Standard is wrong (shock!!) |
Cleve Steamer |
Oct-01-03 08:11 PM |
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Wrong |
retyred |
Oct-01-03 09:00 PM |
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This is not about my guy.... I'll vote for any of the 9 democrats running |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:31 AM |
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You aren't making sense. |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:47 AM |
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I would because Bush can be blamed on the Republicans |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 03:40 AM |
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Ohmigawd he's not a party hac k. |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:43 PM |
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Ummm... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-01-03 06:44 PM |
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Because you are one of the good guys n/t |
OKNancy |
Oct-01-03 06:51 PM |
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Thanks! |
Padraig18 |
Oct-01-03 06:53 PM |
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I'm not asking this to help Dean... I am asking because I want to know. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:00 PM |
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This is CRITICAL. This is not bashing. This is FUNDAMENTAL! |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:04 AM |
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BTW, next time you post this same old, same old |
maha |
Oct-01-03 06:44 PM |
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And I note you attacked me personaly rather than answer... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:02 PM |
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how is this same old, same old? |
sham |
Oct-01-03 09:17 PM |
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I must've seen that exact copy and paste job |
maha |
Oct-02-03 12:49 AM |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:06 AM |
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Yes - here's my explanation |
StephNW4Clark |
Oct-01-03 06:46 PM |
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Don't bother with reasoned debate, or detailed explanations |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 06:52 PM |
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Well I appreciate the answers |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:00 PM |
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You mean he doesn't walk on water? |
QC |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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Can you be less perjorative |
clar |
Oct-01-03 07:05 PM |
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Sorry, |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 07:31 PM |
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I understand your frustration |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:49 PM |
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I took a break from boards and "public" politics |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 08:27 PM |
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I hear you |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 08:29 PM |
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Attack the questioner and bash dean... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:04 PM |
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There You Clarkies Go Again! (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:09 AM |
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OK, I'll sink to your level |
SWPAdem |
Oct-02-03 12:54 AM |
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Thank you for your attempt at reasoned debate, and detailed explanation |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 07:08 PM |
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Did you read today's TPM? |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 07:42 PM |
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No, I haven't. But I will now. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 07:54 PM |
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Good interview. This is the relevant part about Reagan. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:23 PM |
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Excellent speech |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:33 PM |
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I was on active duty during the Reagan-Bush years |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:22 PM |
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Thanks for the link on the Reagan speech |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:17 PM |
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My pleasure. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 09:21 PM |
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WOW! That's a frist... actual answers instead of personal attacks. |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:22 PM |
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Clark knows how to kiss ass - does Dean? |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Oct-01-03 06:47 PM |
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There is a difference between saying nice things... |
TLM |
Oct-01-03 08:27 PM |
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Yawn - who cares. |
janekat |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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you did enough to respond |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:01 PM |
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I think some of the Clark people need some sleep- so many of them yawning |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:03 PM |
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Great segue! |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-01-03 08:16 PM |
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Tinoire - If Only People would WAKE UP! |
JasonBerry |
Oct-02-03 12:10 AM |
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I would have just thought that it was politician talk..... |
DemEx_pat |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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Give him a break. |
Former Republican |
Oct-01-03 06:49 PM |
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Thank you for gracing us, General. |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:14 AM |
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I'll take a stab at it... |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 06:53 PM |
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You Need To Read Benjamin Franklin, An American Life |
cryingshame |
Oct-01-03 06:55 PM |
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good one cryingshame. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 06:59 PM |
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There is a fundimental contradiction here... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:42 AM |
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The reason why they do not try to answer it |
zeemike |
Oct-01-03 06:57 PM |
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Here's the deal.... |
familydoctor |
Oct-01-03 07:00 PM |
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My take on this.. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-01-03 07:05 PM |
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Even if you buy that for the stuff about W... |
TLM |
Oct-02-03 12:57 AM |
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I could never vote for somebody who ever said such things. |
Sterling |
Oct-01-03 07:16 PM |
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you are funny. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 07:30 PM |
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does this apply |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 07:51 PM |
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Yes it does. |
bhunt70 |
Oct-01-03 08:02 PM |
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Thank you for the honest answer |
Forkboy |
Oct-01-03 08:10 PM |
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You too? |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:05 PM |
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Thank Heavens You Are No More Than What You Are Sterling |
cryingshame |
Oct-01-03 09:09 PM |
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Depends on what you are trying to define as a record of service |
Nicholas_J |
Oct-01-03 08:18 PM |
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So you are saying |
zeemike |
Oct-01-03 08:36 PM |
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Here is my simple answer |
uconnyc |
Oct-01-03 08:33 PM |
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You "trust"? |
Tinoire |
Oct-01-03 08:47 PM |
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I only just registered Democrat |
union_maid |
Oct-01-03 08:42 PM |
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There's an important difference. |
FubarFly |
Oct-01-03 08:46 PM |
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Union Maid Welcome to DU and to the Democratic Party |
Tinoire |
Oct-02-03 10:46 AM |
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Interesting article about Clark here... |
batman |
Oct-01-03 09:04 PM |
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Clark: National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal 2000 |
Zorra |
Oct-01-03 09:25 PM |
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From the same report, Clark on quality of life issues |
SWPAdem |
Oct-01-03 09:50 PM |
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Democrats have praised bush's handling of the |
Kahuna |
Oct-01-03 09:59 PM |
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you make an excellent point |
CMT |
Oct-01-03 10:01 PM |
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This Is The Reason Why... |
ScottNeelan |
Oct-01-03 11:30 PM |
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Save it, bait & switch perfesser. |
stickdog |
Oct-02-03 12:19 AM |
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Diebold can! |
stickdog |
Oct-01-03 11:42 PM |
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I will hold my opinion |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-02-03 11:04 AM |
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