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Mon Aug-29-05 05:08 PM
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| 56. Anyone who doesn't have enough food for a couple of days planned poorly |
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Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 05:11 PM by slackmaster
The fact the national guard is keeping people from FOOD shows we are NOT living in a democracy...
Since when is "democracy" defined as a society in which people are allowed to take food without paying for it?
I'm sorry to be so blunt about this, but it's not all that difficult nor is it expensive to stock yourself up with proper emergency supplies. People had days of warning before the storm struck. I live and work in earthquake country. My house is well stocked with emergency food and water and camping gear. In my desk at work I keep a couple of MREs on hand at all times. And for the record I'll be happy to share my stuff with needy people in the event of a disaster.
Most people can get by for a day or two without food. Let me know when people start suffering more than hunger pangs due to the National Guard doing its job of maintaining civil order.
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undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 03:31 PM |
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It's been less than 24 hours |
China_cat |
Aug-29-05 03:36 PM |
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OK, so you're living in housing projects... |
phusion |
Aug-29-05 03:42 PM |
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Maybe they need baby formula and bottled water |
lebkuchen |
Aug-29-05 03:48 PM |
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And if the hurricane hadn't hit |
China_cat |
Aug-29-05 03:50 PM |
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I'm just saying... |
phusion |
Aug-29-05 03:59 PM |
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Let me speak from personal experience: I grew up on the dole |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 04:39 PM |
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Yep that's how it is |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:59 PM |
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Bloody hell. I've never had that exact experience (thank heaven!) |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:03 PM |
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EXACTLY. |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 05:02 PM |
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I've heard a similar argument from those who resent food stamps |
lebkuchen |
Aug-29-05 03:46 PM |
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Poverty desperation deprivation |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 03:43 PM |
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So, they're supposed to steal what they want? Are they supposed... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 03:50 PM |
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Most of us live... |
Orsino |
Aug-29-05 05:00 PM |
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This is not the French Revolution. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 03:48 PM |
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It's not the Golden Age, either. |
lebkuchen |
Aug-29-05 03:49 PM |
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They're stealing because they can. Don't try to glorify it. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 03:54 PM |
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I'm sure it has nothing to do with need. |
lebkuchen |
Aug-29-05 03:57 PM |
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The storm came in y-e-s-t-e-r-d-a-y! |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 04:01 PM |
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And A few hot plasma TV's |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:45 PM |
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Stealing for food to eat is one thing, but for a security deposit is |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 04:48 PM |
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Not anytime |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:12 PM |
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Laws against theft are not "the rich man's rules". |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:15 PM |
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If they cannot get |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:32 PM |
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Why do you think it's the very poor vs the very rich? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:34 PM |
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No |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:52 PM |
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No, I've been in deep shit before, but I always managed to work... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 04:50 PM |
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How lovely for you, that you've always been acceptable to the ruling class |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 04:59 PM |
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Answer the question. Are you going to excuse them when they kill? |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:01 PM |
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First you have to demonstrate that they will kill. |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:07 PM |
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They will have to kill to steal from me. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:11 PM |
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So you're making it up. I thought so. (nt) |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:14 PM |
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I worked for everything I own. I have given thousands to deserving... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:18 PM |
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Than GIVE again |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:31 PM |
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You condone stealing. Fuck that. Someone steals from me... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:37 PM |
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Yikes. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Aug-29-05 07:47 PM |
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They have ethical choices to make... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 08:07 PM |
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So being poor is an acceptable reason to steal a TV but not to kill |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:18 PM |
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Aug-29-05 05:28 PM |
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Didn't you say we're animals? Isn't that what animals do? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:29 PM |
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Well to argue |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:39 PM |
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I'm neither better nor worse than a chimp. But YOU are the one who |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:42 PM |
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Ok do you not have INSURANCE |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:15 PM |
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I don't own a business. You don't know what you're talking about. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 06:54 PM |
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You know some people actually EARN capital..... |
tx_dem41 |
Aug-29-05 06:59 PM |
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I'm sick? You are the one advocating stealing! |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:51 PM |
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Theft |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:04 PM |
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I understand how to share. You advocate stealing! |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:17 PM |
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Property owners? |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:26 PM |
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You may not realize it but property is not exclusive to the wealthy. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:33 PM |
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Aug-29-05 07:46 PM |
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You Assume Poor People Who Loot Will Kill? |
stepnw1f |
Aug-29-05 07:43 PM |
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I'd be happy to. |
Llewlladdwr |
Aug-29-05 11:10 PM |
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If you want to rail against the ruling class you're after the wrong people |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:02 PM |
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How is that relevant? (nt) |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:08 PM |
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You're the one who brought up the ruling class. n/t |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:10 PM |
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Fine, so your comment was not relevant. Didn't think so. (nt) |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:15 PM |
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You brought up the "ruling class". To what end? The ruling class |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:16 PM |
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Because they rule |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:18 PM |
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You ignore the fact that we all - including the poor - can change that |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 06:59 PM |
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Damn |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:20 PM |
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Depends |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:29 PM |
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Yes through a long slow death by use of slave labor. |
lonestarnot |
Aug-29-05 06:12 PM |
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Why Would It Be Wrong Then |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 05:33 PM |
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I notice he hasn't answered you. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:58 PM |
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Do you want to glock people? |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:01 PM |
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You Are Avoiding The Question... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:07 PM |
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I Don't Want To Glock Anybody.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:10 PM |
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Hee hee hee! You had better think again. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:36 PM |
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Don't steal from me and you won't be quite so desperate. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:34 PM |
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Yes they can |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:05 PM |
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Don't fucking tell me I'm "haughty." You're excusing theft... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 04:54 PM |
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I Wouldn't Shoot Somebody Who Was Running Off With My Car |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:37 PM |
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Precisely. Some people don't seem to understand that. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:39 PM |
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Since you put it that way, anyone can rationalize anything if they |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 04:55 PM |
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Who is "wealthy"? |
Xithras |
Aug-29-05 05:00 PM |
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Thank you, I agree. Anarchism one day into a disaster is crap. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:09 PM |
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My Dad Had A Ninth Grade Education... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 05:39 PM |
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And many business owners get by paycheck to paycheck just |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:44 PM |
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And the reason "The rich piggies and corporates... |
usnret88 |
Aug-29-05 05:13 PM |
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agree 100 % n/t |
kymar57 |
Aug-29-05 05:36 PM |
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If I had a baby |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 03:59 PM |
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Yeah, let's all act like animals! |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 04:03 PM |
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We ARE animals |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:13 PM |
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If "we're animals" is your defense, it should also be the defense of |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 04:57 PM |
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Well be better than animals than, |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:01 PM |
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So which is it, are we animals? Or are we to hold to some ideals |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:03 PM |
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We have thics because we can |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:20 PM |
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It's funny how your standards keep shifting. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 06:57 PM |
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I do share, but no one will steal from me! |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:14 PM |
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You say you're an anmal. Yes, I'm an animal, too. I pay my own way... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 04:57 PM |
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See post #13 |
Karenina |
Aug-29-05 05:15 PM |
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Thank you, I'll look. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:20 PM |
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Yes, you are right. Much better to let hungry people starve. |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 04:59 PM |
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Why are you so sure that's what's going on? |
igil |
Aug-29-05 04:04 PM |
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Someone posted pictures.. |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:22 PM |
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OK, I'm hijacking this thread |
redwitch |
Aug-29-05 04:47 PM |
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You are totally correct |
petronius |
Aug-29-05 04:57 PM |
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Yes. I like to think I'd be the one to charge in heroically... |
redwitch |
Aug-29-05 05:00 PM |
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Damn! It couldn't have been 2 seconds after I finished reading your post |
11 Bravo |
Aug-29-05 05:06 PM |
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I was hoping for pictures. |
igil |
Aug-29-05 05:33 PM |
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If you want to talk about looting..we need to see a gas station raising |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 03:59 PM |
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Right on! Well said. The spectrum of discourse is so deformed |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 04:55 PM |
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'Tis my understanding that the LA attorney general is going to |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-29-05 05:00 PM |
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I just recently learned about LA gouging laws..does ole Miss have the |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 05:06 PM |
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I don't know. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-29-05 07:28 PM |
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One kind of looting does not make another acceptable. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:08 PM |
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Looters would get to my business over my dead body |
fishnfla |
Aug-29-05 04:14 PM |
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Is your business FOOD? |
Cooley Hurd |
Aug-29-05 04:25 PM |
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Yeah, because after all it's up to you to feed everyone and not |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 04:49 PM |
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Ooh - a stalker! |
Cooley Hurd |
Aug-29-05 04:50 PM |
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Mondo...business' get insurance payments..people could starve to |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 05:02 PM |
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As I've said elsewhere I think stealing to survive if all other |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:04 PM |
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So I suppose you expect the 'head of the family' to say..lets gather round |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 05:36 PM |
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What problem can you possibly have with what what I said? If all |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:38 PM |
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mondo joe..I have remained silent..and just reading about what COUL:D |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 05:50 PM |
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Thanks Pat. And it is a very frustrating time. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:52 PM |
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Well |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 04:39 PM |
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Beautifully said! |
Mairead |
Aug-29-05 05:13 PM |
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"If I had a business I'd give my stuff away" Two words. Bull. shit. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:32 PM |
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Some people think if you have things it's just "stuff". They don't |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 05:36 PM |
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You got that right, Joe. I sweated and bled for everything I own... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:41 PM |
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Everyone sweats and bleeds |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 05:59 PM |
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You bring up shit that does not relate. I have dug ditches.. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:05 PM |
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Underground..I thought this when I read about the insurance companies |
patdem |
Aug-29-05 06:01 PM |
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I know |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:21 PM |
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Anyone who doesn't have enough food for a couple of days planned poorly |
slackmaster |
Aug-29-05 05:08 PM |
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Most people live paycheck to paycheck. There is NO extra money |
TheGoldenRule |
Aug-29-05 05:19 PM |
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Exactly. |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 05:23 PM |
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Since I don't have cable it's kind of difficult to understand |
TheGoldenRule |
Aug-29-05 05:17 PM |
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Actually, no..... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Aug-29-05 07:02 PM |
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* told people not to leave their shelters until they got PERMISSION too. |
HypnoToad |
Aug-29-05 05:20 PM |
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Not everyone |
VADem11 |
Aug-29-05 05:28 PM |
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I definitely see a difference between stealing food and stealing ATM |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 05:33 PM |
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Money BUYS food It can BUY a car to get OUT of the disaster. |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:00 PM |
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Oh definitely. |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 06:07 PM |
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THIS IS THE CRUX |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:30 PM |
#129 |
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You Judge An Act By The Effect On The Victim |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:40 PM |
#136 |
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Perpretrators are innocent until proven guilty |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 10:44 PM |
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I hope you have never acted upon the morality you expound... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:51 PM |
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I'm not excusing looting- I lived thru the 1977 NYC blackout |
Danmel |
Aug-29-05 05:32 PM |
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Are New Yorkers richer than they used to be? |
tjdee |
Aug-29-05 05:37 PM |
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Some are, a lot aren't |
Danmel |
Aug-29-05 05:41 PM |
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My own unprofessional opinion |
Pied Piper |
Aug-29-05 09:55 PM |
#165 |
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There Was Looting After 9-11 |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 05:49 PM |
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Yes, they are the buzzards, the jackals, the hyenas. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 05:55 PM |
#108 |
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Here's The Link.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:20 PM |
#125 |
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That is terribly sad. I was a firefighter in a well known city... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:25 PM |
#127 |
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We Aren't Sure Who Did It... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:27 PM |
#128 |
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Yes, hopefully it was someone else's stash. Whatever... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:37 PM |
#133 |
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Rumsfeld thought looting in Iraq after invasion was acceptable...! |
Imagevision |
Aug-29-05 06:17 PM |
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Thats because |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:42 PM |
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Hmmm......I wonder what food was in that smashed ATM? |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Aug-29-05 06:40 PM |
#135 |
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Hmm I wonder what food could be bought |
undergroundpanther |
Aug-29-05 06:43 PM |
#138 |
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All the stores are closed..... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Aug-29-05 06:47 PM |
#139 |
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That's what happens when one rationalizes dishonesty... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:51 PM |
#142 |
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You are advocating theft, not welfare, anarchy, not sharing. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 06:48 PM |
#140 |
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Nobody Is Discussing The Effect On The Looter's Soul... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:58 PM |
#145 |
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Lol! Yes, we expect nothing but immorality from *. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:06 PM |
#151 |
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Please Rent The Movie Crash... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 07:34 PM |
#154 |
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Aww hell, so does good triumph over evil, or do I rent the movie? |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:46 PM |
#157 |
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It's Set In LA |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 07:50 PM |
#159 |
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Cool, if I'm ever written into such a movie... |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:54 PM |
#161 |
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Here's A Link... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 07:54 PM |
#162 |
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Thank you, yes, it has been a rough day. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:58 PM |
#163 |
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Under Your Scenario |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 06:50 PM |
#141 |
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Bought? But if they could BUY food they wouldn't be LOOTing, |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-05 07:00 PM |
#148 |
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I Have Been Around Marxists, Socialists Anarchists, Etcetera |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-29-05 07:04 PM |
#150 |
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Agreed. |
BikeWriter |
Aug-29-05 07:10 PM |
#152 |
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Locking |
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