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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #88
109. The old non-violence standbys aren't going to work
like going limp when they try to arrest you. we'll be going limp involuntarily because I guarantee that if there is any resistence to police teling us to disperse then its taser time.
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  -PARENTS: Please do not bring your children to the DC demonstration. benburch  Aug-21-05 09:57 AM   #0 
  - To hell with that  Greeby   Aug-21-05 10:00 AM   #1 
  - Anyone have ino whether this protest will be televised?  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 04:22 PM   #101 
     - The Revolution will not be televised.  JohnnyBoots   Aug-21-05 07:01 PM   #121 
  - Catch 22: Discretion may be spun as intention.  TahitiNut   Aug-21-05 10:00 AM   #2 
  - That crossed my mind too.  Swamp Rat   Aug-21-05 10:03 AM   #8 
  - that's what I'm thinking  Solly Mack   Aug-21-05 10:22 AM   #21 
  - I was planning on it  malta blue   Aug-21-05 10:00 AM   #3 
  - Phototags like to take pictures of children with protest  wakeme2008   Aug-21-05 10:01 AM   #6 
  - Very true  malta blue   Aug-21-05 10:03 AM   #7 
     - Share a pic with DU  wakeme2008   Aug-21-05 10:08 AM   #11 
        - here you go...  malta blue   Aug-21-05 10:12 AM   #15 
           - Cute girl PLUS I see  wakeme2008   Aug-21-05 10:16 AM   #16 
  - So let's designate a CONTINGENCY PLAN  lildreamer316   Aug-21-05 11:48 AM   #44 
  - That's a word to the wise.  zanne   Aug-21-05 10:00 AM   #4 
  - There are Pros and Cons to that  wakeme2008   Aug-21-05 10:00 AM   #5 
  - Its probably not the DC police  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 10:08 AM   #10 
     - The last thing Rove would want is a hurt bleeding child  wakeme2008   Aug-21-05 10:09 AM   #12 
        - I think their so wrapped up in their own arrogance  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 11:40 AM   #40 
        - seriouly? Rove couldn't care less about your bleeding child  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 02:42 PM   #83 
  - I have to agree  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 10:04 AM   #9 
  - So, Ben, are you saying I shouldn't go to the protest?  SeanQuinn   Aug-21-05 10:10 AM   #13 
  - At 12 you are likely large enough that a beanbag is unlikley to kill you.  benburch   Aug-21-05 10:17 AM   #17 
     - I see where you are coming from. Gotcha.  SeanQuinn   Aug-21-05 12:33 PM   #57 
        - Exactly.  benburch   Aug-21-05 01:15 PM   #62 
  - I wholeheartedly disagree.......  blue sky at night   Aug-21-05 10:12 AM   #14 
  - It is up to you, of course.  benburch   Aug-21-05 10:20 AM   #19 
  - let me ask you something.......  blue sky at night   Aug-21-05 10:36 AM   #33 
     - You're willing to have your kids shot by cops if it hurts Bush?  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 07:15 PM   #128 
        - well excuse me..........  blue sky at night   Aug-21-05 07:40 PM   #135 
        - That's the whole difference - are they old enough to choose for themselves  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 08:02 PM   #141 
        - sympathise; worried about disabled as well....BUT King said abt children  bobbieinok   Aug-21-05 09:35 PM   #152 
  - blue sky at night -I agree. Lets all just keep our heads down and hope  Al-CIAda   Aug-21-05 11:50 AM   #48 
  - Okay I may get flamed but I don't care...  teknomanzer   Aug-21-05 12:30 PM   #56 
  - What?  ultraist   Aug-21-05 12:53 PM   #60 
  - What I am proposing is...  teknomanzer   Aug-21-05 01:40 PM   #64 
  - WHOA .... children were hosed and attacked by dogs in civil rights demos  bobbieinok   Aug-21-05 09:45 PM   #153 
  - First of all, we're dealing with a renegade administration as in  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 02:54 PM   #90 
  - No flame from me....  KerryOn   Aug-21-05 02:16 PM   #78 
  - Well....  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Aug-22-05 08:56 AM   #164 
  - Have to disagree. As an activist mom, it my duty to educate my kids  mod mom   Aug-21-05 02:48 PM   #86 
  - Emily is coming with me.....  liberalnurse   Aug-22-05 08:13 PM   #180 
  - I don't know your kids, but.....  Kitka   Aug-21-05 02:58 PM   #92 
  - With all due respect...  teknomanzer   Aug-21-05 05:28 PM   #111 
     - It's impossible to know, even as they approach adulthood,  Kitka   Aug-21-05 10:50 PM   #156 
  - You make some sense.  the_spectator   Aug-21-05 04:34 PM   #104 
  - Have you ever considered that you're underestimating the kids?  MadHound   Aug-22-05 08:44 AM   #162 
  - Why put children in danger...  teknomanzer   Aug-21-05 01:48 PM   #69 
  - Bluesky, so your saying it's ok to sacrifice your kid for something  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 02:46 PM   #85 
     - Do you understand the principle of setting an example....  blue sky at night   Aug-21-05 07:03 PM   #123 
        - So you think it's okay for force your children to die for your ideals?  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 07:22 PM   #132 
        - Those who are going to Iraq are adults.  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 07:45 PM   #136 
        - Oh my, jumping to conclusions.......my fault.  blue sky at night   Aug-21-05 07:56 PM   #138 
           - Who's jumping to conclusions?  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 08:01 PM   #140 
        - setting an axample? only if no harm comes to children by mistake?  Imagevision   Aug-22-05 10:19 AM   #173 
  - Tasers and attack dogs used in Pittsburgh yesterday (article link below)  ModRepubinPA   Aug-21-05 10:19 AM   #18 
  - They will use provocateurs to cause disruptions and to give the  merh   Aug-21-05 10:26 AM   #24 
  - MERH> excellant point-using provocateurs to cause disruptions  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 02:49 PM   #87 
     - They did it in the 60's & 70's  merh   Aug-21-05 04:19 PM   #97 
  - if they're going to sic the dogs on grandma  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 11:49 AM   #47 
  - Bring children so there isn't political violence. N.Klein's Fences&Wind's:  1932   Aug-21-05 10:20 AM   #20 
  - I don't seriously think Children would stop these goons.  benburch   Aug-21-05 10:23 AM   #22 
  - Naomi Klein writes about people who make arguments like yours.  1932   Aug-21-05 10:32 AM   #29 
     - The last thing I want is to discourage protest.q  benburch   Aug-21-05 10:34 AM   #31 
     - Modern protests discourage VIOLENT protests.  1932   Aug-21-05 10:44 AM   #34 
     - I saw 1968 from up close.  benburch   Aug-21-05 11:21 AM   #38 
        - Have you read Fences and Windows?  1932   Aug-21-05 12:12 PM   #52 
     - It sounds like you're wanting a fight. I think most people here  kitkat65   Aug-21-05 07:02 PM   #122 
     - We live just outside of Seattle  JulieRB   Aug-21-05 01:24 PM   #63 
        - Seattle changed strategies. It made non-violence & humor key.  1932   Aug-21-05 01:42 PM   #65 
           - "Non-violence" and "humor" only work if there are no hidden agendas  JulieRB   Aug-21-05 02:03 PM   #73 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 03:28 PM   #93 
              - You think it isn't important to read a well-researched and well-argued  1932   Aug-22-05 01:53 AM   #159 
  - So hiding behind children is a good thing?  BlackVelvet04   Aug-21-05 10:30 AM   #28 
  - Read Naomi Klein's Windows and Fences. Don't go planning violence, and  1932   Aug-21-05 10:33 AM   #30 
  - Hello, it's the COPS that will use violence  HEyHEY   Aug-21-05 04:22 PM   #100 
     - Hello, read Naomi Klein.  1932   Aug-22-05 09:58 AM   #171 
        - Naomi Klein is full of shit  HEyHEY   Aug-22-05 10:42 AM   #174 
           - Right.  1932   Aug-22-05 11:04 AM   #175 
  - Sometimes it's not "hiding behind children", either.  TankLV   Aug-21-05 11:57 AM   #49 
     - Thank you for that  leftchick   Aug-21-05 02:23 PM   #79 
  - Just because there are children there....  KerryOn   Aug-21-05 02:23 PM   #80 
  - Bushco's spin machine...  teknomanzer   Aug-21-05 05:45 PM   #113 
  - WOW, I understand the concern, but, well just WOW  hlthe2b   Aug-21-05 10:23 AM   #23 
  - I posted this because I don't WANT to know if they would harm kids.  benburch   Aug-21-05 10:26 AM   #25 
  - I think the danger level depends on our eventual goals  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 11:45 AM   #42 
  - I don't think these protests  BlackVelvet04   Aug-21-05 10:28 AM   #26 
  - Just because this misAdministration doesn't care about children  William769   Aug-21-05 10:29 AM   #27 
  - I am taking my 10 and 8 year old boys....  leftchick   Aug-21-05 10:35 AM   #32 
  - My friend and I are thinking of going with our 14 year old daughters  dddem   Aug-21-05 10:59 AM   #35 
  - They rough up a kid on television, the war's over. They won't.  carpetbagger   Aug-21-05 11:15 AM   #36 
  - You assume that the political process means anything now.  benburch   Aug-21-05 11:25 AM   #39 
  - we could be a reasons they call martial law  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 11:46 AM   #43 
  - It's no more fascist than Alabama in the 1960's. n/t  carpetbagger   Aug-21-05 07:00 PM   #120 
  - i agree w. carpetbagger & 1932  pitohui   Aug-21-05 11:48 AM   #46 
  - Rough up a "kid"? ...they report he was a threat! do you live under a rock  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 04:20 PM   #98 
  - Johnson, not Kennedy  bobbieinok   Aug-21-05 09:55 PM   #155 
  - This is a "permitted" march  beltanefauve   Aug-21-05 11:16 AM   #37 
  - Right now, we are leaning toward  tomg   Aug-21-05 11:44 AM   #41 
  - I agree Ben  Horse with no Name   Aug-21-05 11:48 AM   #45 
  - I don't know, if we keep allowing them to instill certain fears of  AuntPatsy   Aug-21-05 11:59 AM   #50 
  - The responsible thing to do  La Coliniere   Aug-21-05 12:10 PM   #51 
  - Also, younger children  burrowowl   Aug-21-05 04:24 PM   #102 
  - "there is a significant chance of police violence " why do you think that?  bpilgrim   Aug-21-05 12:15 PM   #53 
  - why hide? why pretend? It is for the future of OUR children!  CountAllVotes   Aug-21-05 12:17 PM   #54 
  - I'm not certain that the DC, or Park, Police will use the Miami Model yet.  JanMichael   Aug-21-05 12:23 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 12:43 PM   #58 
  - Totally disagree.  Donailin   Aug-21-05 12:46 PM   #59 
  - MLK didn't want his kids to go to some of the protests he attended  The Animator   Aug-21-05 01:11 PM   #61 
  - are these chances of police violence as likely as, say, the nuke that  Catholic Sensation   Aug-21-05 01:46 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 01:47 PM   #67 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 01:49 PM   #70 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 02:07 PM   #75 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 02:13 PM   #76 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 02:15 PM   #77 
  - DON'T BRING THE KIDS!!!  RazorNY22   Aug-21-05 01:48 PM   #68 
  - Why would any parent subject his kid to the possibility of harm?  BigBearJohn   Aug-21-05 01:56 PM   #71 
     - Someone upthread is arguing that he has the right to sacrifice his kids  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 07:24 PM   #133 
  - My kids came to a number of pre-war and the RNC  kohodog   Aug-21-05 02:03 PM   #72 
  - Older children, yes. Babies and toddlers, no.  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 02:05 PM   #74 
  - Already booked w my 7 and 9 yo included. I intend to be peaceful  mod mom   Aug-21-05 02:36 PM   #81 
  - If you bring your kids - they get hurt, it's on you not BUSH!  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 02:40 PM   #82 
  - BS I am bringing my children to a peace rally. We are law abiding citizen  mod mom   Aug-21-05 02:55 PM   #91 
     - Bring the kids? you'll be dealing with gustapo like tactics  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 04:08 PM   #95 
     - How many of the recent protests have you been to?  kohodog   Aug-21-05 07:11 PM   #126 
     - Does it matter who's fault it is if the worst happens?  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 04:26 PM   #103 
  - damn it i inten to bring all 4 of my children youngest is 13  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-21-05 02:43 PM   #84 
  - I don't think anyone objects to that -  the_spectator   Aug-21-05 04:37 PM   #105 
  - I will bring my son if I go. He's 11.  Maddy McCall   Aug-21-05 04:42 PM   #107 
     - It has given me pause  leftchick   Aug-21-05 05:44 PM   #112 
  - I agree that it would be best  mmonk   Aug-21-05 02:50 PM   #88 
  - The old non-violence standbys aren't going to work  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 04:52 PM   #109 
  - Dogs Used On Antiwar Protesters In Pittsburgh (Yeah, bring the kids!)  BigBearJohn   Aug-21-05 02:51 PM   #89 
  - Tear gas and pepper spray don't select only those over 18.  davsand   Aug-21-05 04:00 PM   #94 
  - Add to that the provocateurs/spoilers to manage the protest  Imagevision   Aug-21-05 04:11 PM   #96 
  - Don't bring them because it isn't right anyway  HEyHEY   Aug-21-05 04:22 PM   #99 
  - My kid's understood since he was 6 or 7.  Maddy McCall   Aug-21-05 04:43 PM   #108 
  - Yeah. It's just as bad as taking young kids to pro-war rallies.  JVS   Aug-21-05 05:47 PM   #114 
  - For those still convinced it is OK for children....  KerryOn   Aug-21-05 04:39 PM   #106 
  - that's Pittsburgh  northzax   Aug-22-05 03:54 PM   #176 
     - Lets hope your right....  KerryOn   Aug-22-05 05:35 PM   #179 
  - We took our two children to three of the rallies in DC  qanda   Aug-21-05 04:53 PM   #110 
  - I agree. My kids have been going to protsts since before the war, as do  mod mom   Aug-21-05 05:47 PM   #115 
     - Therein lies some of the problem  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 06:51 PM   #116 
        - Dare them to do it, they do it, and what changes?  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 06:54 PM   #117 
        - then people get to see the secret police in action  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 07:00 PM   #119 
           - Worked pretty well in 1968 Chicago, eh?  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 07:09 PM   #125 
        - Sorry, but I follow in the light of MLK, John Conyers, John Lewis + others  mod mom   Aug-21-05 07:12 PM   #127 
           - I never suggested that we start any violence  shadowknows69   Aug-21-05 07:19 PM   #131 
  - You have some stats to back this up?  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 06:57 PM   #118 
  - Yesterday's protest in PA  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 07:06 PM   #124 
  - Protest YESTERDAY: "Pepper spray also hit a group of children"  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 07:36 PM   #134 
     - Traffic Today: "One dead after car crash in Grey"  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 08:08 PM   #143 
        - We do go about our ordinary daily business driving on roads...  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 08:42 PM   #146 
           - The point, however, is that the conjecture that a protest is dangerous...  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 09:28 PM   #151 
              - There have been numerous threads here expressing concern  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 11:18 PM   #157 
  - Bring everybody  brettdale   Aug-21-05 07:17 PM   #129 
  - You know when I first read this thread I said...  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 07:18 PM   #130 
  - Don't ever get on a plane.  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 08:05 PM   #142 
     - LOL Ok, ok point taken...  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 08:21 PM   #145 
        - I asked that question upthread, but didn't get an answer.  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 09:19 PM   #149 
           - Yeah, that's kinda what I figured...  spuddonna   Aug-22-05 03:02 AM   #160 
           - safer in DC than anywhere else, probably in the world  northzax   Aug-22-05 09:58 AM   #170 
  - BULLSHIT! Bring your kids. Pull the mask off of the FASCISTS  Postman   Aug-21-05 07:49 PM   #137 
  - Yep.  H2O Man   Aug-21-05 08:15 PM   #144 
     - Spoke to an activist who attended MLK's I have a Dream rally years ago  mod mom   Aug-22-05 08:32 AM   #161 
     - That's right.  H2O Man   Aug-22-05 08:24 PM   #181 
     - Thank you for your input H2O Man  leftchick   Aug-22-05 08:49 AM   #163 
        - That's good.  H2O Man   Aug-22-05 08:30 PM   #183 
  - I disagree  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-21-05 07:57 PM   #139 
  - Cool you feel safe.  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 08:49 PM   #147 
     - I went to all of the Vietnam War Moratoriums  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-21-05 09:23 PM   #150 
  - I hate to bring this up, because I have thought about bringing my 9 year  spacelady   Aug-21-05 09:03 PM   #148 
  - Remember all the picture posts from the numerous protests...  Telly Savalas   Aug-21-05 09:51 PM   #154 
  - If you are arrested  troubleinwinter   Aug-21-05 11:25 PM   #158 
  - Lol, im 14  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Aug-22-05 09:04 AM   #165 
  - A father's story of his kids pepper sprayed at peaceful protest...  troubleinwinter   Aug-22-05 09:28 AM   #166 
  - My kid is going! And that is that!  lonestarnot   Aug-22-05 09:34 AM   #167 
  - kick  patrioticliberal   Aug-22-05 09:36 AM   #168 
  - it's all very sweet  northzax   Aug-22-05 09:54 AM   #169 
  - Im wondering....  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Aug-22-05 10:01 AM   #172 
  - leave your knife at home  northzax   Aug-22-05 03:56 PM   #177 
  - It's all good  BlueJac   Aug-22-05 03:58 PM   #178 
  - Having been to a DC anti-war march, I'd have to agree.  Fatima   Aug-22-05 08:27 PM   #182 
  - Pro-Choice March was Big and Peaceful  AnnieBW   Aug-22-05 09:35 PM   #184 
 

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