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11. lemme put it this way...
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 01:29 AM by evilqueen
If I light a campfire, you'd be stupid to sit there freezing in the darkness. I wouldn't begrudge you the warmth of my fire. If I wanted to keep the fire to myself, I'd have built a house and chimney to surround it.

Likewise, if the person providing the wireless didn't want to share it, they should have figured out how to secure it, or hired someone to do it for them.

Back in the old days, the hippies (yes, those "dirty hippies" that so many people disparage today) ran Free Stores where anyone could come in and take what they needed, or leave something for someone else. No one went "broke" from not being a part of the corporate economy. If we all learned to share what we had, we'd be a whole lot less dependent on the corporations for our needs.

And maybe there wouldn't be a war to protest.

You can flame me all you'd like, but before you do, you might spend some time reading and studying the not so distant past, and the ideals and philosophies that existed among the hippies.

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  -Is it wrong to steal wireless Internet? Alexander  Aug-21-05 01:05 AM   #0 
  - If the previous tenent had left the electricity on....  madeline_con   Aug-21-05 01:07 AM   #1 
  - Is it wrong for me to share satelite tv with my neighbor  rhino47   Aug-21-05 01:13 AM   #2 
  - That's a sharing agreement between the two of you - WiFi THEFT IS A FELONY  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 02:19 PM   #88 
  - Neighbor leaves a porch light on, is it stealing to read by it's light?  norml   Aug-21-05 01:14 AM   #3 
  - as far as i know norml is correct  pitohui   Aug-21-05 11:49 AM   #51 
  - norml couldn't be further from the truth  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:03 PM   #57 
  - You'd probably steal water from an outside faucet, too.  BiggJawn   Aug-21-05 12:50 PM   #79 
  - You have to trespass to use the water.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:54 PM   #80 
     - It's still stealing.  BiggJawn   Aug-21-05 01:15 PM   #84 
        - The phone is unlikely, and different.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 01:26 PM   #85 
           - WRONG - in Florida stealing someones wi-fi bandwidth is a FELONY  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 02:14 PM   #87 
           - Your stuff is in your house.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 05:48 PM   #103 
              - Yes, always be aware there will be amoral, despicable  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 05:50 PM   #105 
                 - If you guys are going to name call, there is another site for you.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 05:59 PM   #113 
                    - "Yes, its wrong to steal, but you did allow it to happen."  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:06 PM   #118 
                    - Have you even thought of how you are going to enforce a law like that?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:33 PM   #125 
                       - It's the beauty of the concept of "Contracts" in your vaunted English  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:36 PM   #128 
                       - Actually I hate WiFi.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:53 PM   #135 
                       - My neighbor's teenage son spent two days  nashbridges   Aug-21-05 11:34 PM   #212 
                          - QUICK GUIDE TO SECURE A ROUTER, XP  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 11:43 PM   #213 
                    - How did you secure it?  SeattleGirl   Aug-21-05 08:51 PM   #183 
                       - what brand router do you have?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 08:56 PM   #184 
           - I STRONGLY object to this!!  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 07:52 PM   #165 
              - They could have sold them wired routers that eliminated this problem.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:54 PM   #166 
              - If I say I want a geewhizzdegizmoator, I don't want to have to show  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 08:22 PM   #178 
              - My point was they could have sold a different technology.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 08:02 PM   #169 
              - An internet use license??  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 08:37 PM   #180 
                 - I even said in all caps, that wasn't my position.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 08:48 PM   #182 
                    - Then why did you say it in the first place?  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 09:00 PM   #185 
                       - No, Your spin is showing  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 09:11 PM   #186 
                          - Read your own post!  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 09:27 PM   #187 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 09:35 PM   #188 
                                - I am not a troll.  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 09:53 PM   #190 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 10:02 PM   #191 
                                      - There is a difference between telling the truth and testing for competency  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 10:14 PM   #192 
                                         - And i never argued for a test. thats all your words.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 10:24 PM   #194 
              - I'll do him one better.  BiggJawn   Aug-21-05 10:24 PM   #193 
                 - Your in for some fun. Enjoy.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 10:27 PM   #195 
                 - If only the uber-technologist of any technology were allowed to use it..  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 10:51 PM   #202 
  - It is if your neighbor's light is blocked by you so they can't use it.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 10:42 PM   #200 
  - Not a good idea in my opinion.  high density   Aug-21-05 01:15 AM   #4 
  - No privacy issue  longship   Aug-21-05 01:23 AM   #7 
     - What kind of moral standards do you live by? I feel sorry for your  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 02:26 PM   #89 
        - I have my own wireless router  longship   Aug-21-05 05:47 PM   #102 
           - It most certainly is  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 06:04 PM   #117 
              - I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.  longship   Aug-21-05 08:20 PM   #177 
  - I say go for it but...  AndyP   Aug-21-05 01:19 AM   #5 
  - Wireless not a problem if you go through  longship   Aug-21-05 01:26 AM   #10 
  - Re: Security  jayc   Aug-21-05 01:30 AM   #13 
     - Welcome to DU!  jsamuel   Aug-21-05 02:01 AM   #19 
  - Chances are: No.  Sentath   Aug-21-05 01:22 AM   #6 
  - No. And here is my reason.  LibInTexas   Aug-21-05 01:25 AM   #8 
  - I don't think it hurts your neighbor at all.  lvx35   Aug-21-05 01:26 AM   #9 
  - Depends on what you're doing ...  RoyGBiv   Aug-21-05 01:41 AM   #15 
  - Running file-sharing programs sucks a lot of bandwidth.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 11:02 PM   #204 
  - lemme put it this way...  evilqueen   Aug-21-05 01:28 AM   #11 
  - What you are talking about is consent - much different than annoymous  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 02:32 PM   #90 
  - So what happened to all those free stores?  Silverhair   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #161 
  - I don't see a problem in using it  fujiyama   Aug-21-05 01:28 AM   #12 
  - Because when you use it, you degrade the performance that the owner paid  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 10:40 PM   #198 
     - Only if the owner fully utilizes the line  jgrad   Aug-21-05 10:46 PM   #201 
        - So, if some 15 year old next door is downloading bootleg movies all day  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 10:58 PM   #203 
           - Its okay to utilize the line, but not to hack  jgrad   Aug-21-05 11:12 PM   #207 
              - Mine is locked down. Surfing doesn't hurt much, but d/l does.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 11:17 PM   #209 
  - Unanswerable question ...  RoyGBiv   Aug-21-05 01:37 AM   #14 
  - I'm a little uncomfortable with it  charlie   Aug-21-05 01:42 AM   #16 
  - I think they should just stay off my pipe, unless I say it's OK.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 11:04 PM   #205 
     - If someone you didn't know came over and said I'm just gonna use your car,  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 11:07 PM   #206 
  - Well, you are stealing.  HKTech   Aug-21-05 01:43 AM   #17 
  - God punishes those who don't read the manual.  lvx35   Aug-21-05 03:10 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 04:14 AM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 04:25 AM   #25 
  - A sense of community means getting your neighbor's back and not  HKTech   Aug-21-05 04:47 AM   #26 
     - Bad analogy, anyway  charlie   Aug-21-05 04:56 AM   #28 
        - That's the thing, they do, with windows XP!  lvx35   Aug-21-05 05:25 AM   #31 
  - Oh please. Not even the same situation.  LibInTexas   Aug-21-05 04:51 AM   #27 
     - It's a quantitative difference not a qualitative difference.  HKTech   Aug-21-05 06:51 AM   #36 
  - State of Florida doesn't wait for GOD to punish - WiFi theft is a FELONY  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 02:36 PM   #91 
     - Great state to pick. We know they are so progressive...  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 05:45 PM   #99 
        - And you think that's a valid point because?????????  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 11:21 PM   #211 
  - They are putting RF into my house. Am I stealing it because I can decode  LibInTexas   Aug-21-05 04:57 AM   #29 
  - Excellent post... and welcome, btw! :)  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 05:52 PM   #106 
  - Haven't' you seen those giant "Ten Commandments" monuments?  NAO   Aug-21-05 01:58 AM   #18 
  - Moses did not know about the Communications Act of 1934.  LibInTexas   Aug-21-05 05:11 AM   #30 
  - At least one prosecutor thinks so  Fescue4u   Aug-21-05 02:09 AM   #20 
  - NOPE  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 03:15 AM   #22 
  - nice, but will it hold up in court?  rman   Aug-21-05 04:22 AM   #24 
     - Its just being funny.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 11:12 AM   #47 
  - Thanks for asking that question.  KitSileya   Aug-21-05 06:10 AM   #32 
  - I can't afford it is NOT an excuse for theft and reveals a moral lapse  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 03:12 PM   #92 
  - What you are doing is a crime  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 06:30 AM   #33 
  - There are people who purposely create hot spots, and  kohodog   Aug-21-05 07:25 AM   #39 
  - I think we can be certain that the neighbor he is stealing it from...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:28 AM   #40 
  - In this case, it is probably very cut and dried  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 07:44 AM   #43 
  - The point is it actually isn't right now  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 11:48 AM   #50 
     - Actually the point is that it's a felony to steal WiFi access  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 03:19 PM   #93 
        - In most states, its not a law. I don't care about Florida  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 05:46 PM   #101 
  - It's wrong. n/t  phylny   Aug-21-05 06:33 AM   #34 
  - It is not stealing to use 'free' internet  freshharbor   Aug-21-05 06:48 AM   #35 
  - Wrong  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 07:24 AM   #38 
     - It's trivial to accidentally use an insecure access point  rman   Aug-21-05 07:37 AM   #41 
        - IF he's in an apartment building, chances are it'sa neighbor's network  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 07:43 AM   #42 
           - Why would it necessarily be a crime?  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 08:01 AM   #44 
              - Nope, no permission has been granted  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 02:08 PM   #86 
                 - Not the same thing  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 05:26 PM   #96 
                 - The other possible meaning: They don't know they have deadbeats...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 05:28 PM   #97 
                 - Not deadbeats  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 05:45 PM   #100 
                    - Spin all you want. Rationalize amorality all you want.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 05:49 PM   #104 
                    - I didn't say "without consent"  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 05:54 PM   #108 
                       - I read it....but you assume the technology is granting the consent....  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 05:56 PM   #111 
                          - But that's the point I was trying to make  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 06:01 PM   #115 
                             - A "router" is not a person.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:10 PM   #120 
                             - Your analogy would not hold up in court  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 08:17 PM   #176 
                    - You present a false analogy  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 08:16 PM   #175 
                 - There was no sign.  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 08:12 PM   #173 
                 - Permission has not been granted?  DoubleDigitIQ   Aug-21-05 06:02 PM   #116 
                    - The router is a device and it has not been properly secured  Walt Starr   Aug-21-05 08:09 PM   #171 
  - Between the hatefulness for just about everybody shown on ...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:22 AM   #37 
  - Why must you tar ALL of DU with the attitudes of some of the posters  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-21-05 11:51 AM   #52 
     - As a member of the digital generation:  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:05 PM   #58 
     - I'm a member of the digital generation as well....  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 12:09 PM   #61 
        - The point is that it is the responsibility of the wireless owner...  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:12 PM   #63 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 03:33 PM   #94 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 05:54 PM   #109 
                 - Tsk, tsk....weren't you the one just complaining about name-calling...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:07 PM   #119 
                 - I use my morals and ethics in everyday life.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:28 PM   #123 
                    - Interesting you use the phrase "steal my connection".  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:30 PM   #124 
                       - No, I think the end user should secure their network.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:34 PM   #126 
                          - I was making an observation about the delicious irony you provided...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:37 PM   #130 
                             - the irony is in your head only.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:55 PM   #136 
                                - Moral rationalization usually does go over my head.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:58 PM   #137 
                                   - your not a results based guy are you. Read my other replys to understand.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:59 PM   #139 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 07:04 PM   #141 
                                         - Hell yes I'm on the correct site.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:17 PM   #143 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 07:24 PM   #146 
                                               - rape is a crime of violence, not lust.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:26 PM   #147 
                                               - Nice try....  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:29 PM   #150 
                                               - Your attacking yourself now?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:31 PM   #152 
                                               - Nope......  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:32 PM   #153 
                                               - Board looked like you replied to yourself since it went under your topic.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:36 PM   #156 
                 - It is the owner's responsibility  Pithlet   Aug-21-05 06:24 PM   #122 
                    - This is not about morals.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:35 PM   #127 
                       - Of which you are on the wrong side of both.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 06:41 PM   #132 
                          - Do you use ad hominem in every argument.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:50 PM   #134 
                             - You brought the ethics into it when speaking out of both sides of ..  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:02 PM   #140 
                                - I was getting called names before I brought up that example.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:13 PM   #142 
                                   - That "useless law" is what our whole civil legal system is based on.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:19 PM   #145 
                                      - where have I not respected a contract?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:27 PM   #148 
                                         - You might want to take a Latin class, or, better yet, a philosophy..  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:31 PM   #151 
                                            - So you are completely off the topic and just attacking me personally.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:34 PM   #155 
                                               - I consider it my own little personal contribution to saving the ...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:37 PM   #157 
                                                  - Uh Huh.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:41 PM   #158 
     - You're right MM....that was unfair of me to say...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 12:08 PM   #60 
        - No biggie. Even on the other thread, we disagree, but I don't HATE the  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-21-05 12:14 PM   #64 
           - Same: I disagree with your points, but you are still a fellow Democrat.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:19 PM   #67 
  - It is our duty to steal from the robber corporations  Mr.Green93   Aug-21-05 09:13 AM   #45 
  - Not a terrible human being exactly, but yeah....  Kitka   Aug-21-05 09:16 AM   #46 
  - You could find the neighbor you're leeching from and offer to pay  Toucano   Aug-21-05 11:19 AM   #48 
  - There was a post on DU just recently  antfarm   Aug-21-05 11:38 AM   #49 
  - Yes it's wrong  Jawja   Aug-21-05 11:55 AM   #53 
  - an analogy:  WMliberal   Aug-21-05 11:58 AM   #54 
  - It's an analogy, but a bad one  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:06 PM   #59 
  - good point.  WMliberal   Aug-21-05 12:18 PM   #66 
     - Broadcasting a radio signal is done  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:23 PM   #68 
        - this guy would be better off if he just asked his neighbor.  WMliberal   Aug-21-05 12:29 PM   #71 
           - That's what I did  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:31 PM   #73 
  - Your using it most definitely could diminish their ability to use it.  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 12:10 PM   #62 
     - So you boot up your pc  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:16 PM   #65 
        - that's where the courts come in to the equation  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:28 PM   #70 
        - There are two concepts about the law that you need to read up on...  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 12:31 PM   #72 
  - The Question: Can the law limit the use of your own computer.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 11:59 AM   #55 
  - On the other hand, if you don't pay for intenet, and have it  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:27 PM   #69 
  - But can it be illegal?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:32 PM   #74 
  - I'm starting to gather that you're arguing on behalf of the vast  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:34 PM   #75 
  - I helped several neighbors secure their wireless systems.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 12:40 PM   #76 
     - Like someone else pointed out above  DS1   Aug-21-05 12:48 PM   #78 
  - "people do not actively do anything to steal internet"  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 06:37 PM   #129 
     - Do you think my neighbor realized this?  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 06:58 PM   #138 
        - I think you misunderstand my point...  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #163 
           - Now that is a good point.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:52 PM   #164 
              - Besides, I don't want them going around and arresting my family!  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 08:09 PM   #170 
                 - Yeh, my neighbors got had on that stuff.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 08:16 PM   #174 
                    - Whoa! See that's what I worry about...  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 08:41 PM   #181 
  - DCMA  Madrone   Aug-21-05 01:03 PM   #81 
  - The law limits the use of your own computer every day - nothing new there  Veganistan   Aug-21-05 03:46 PM   #95 
  - You obviously don't have a clue  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 05:44 PM   #98 
  - Since people have been dicks about this, Let me explain this  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 09:42 PM   #189 
  - Yes, it's wrong.  lizzy   Aug-21-05 12:00 PM   #56 
  - Aren't you slowing down his connection by using his service?  ultraist   Aug-21-05 12:44 PM   #77 
  - Well, it is something that can get you sued over  WLKjr   Aug-21-05 01:04 PM   #82 
  - It depends -  lynne   Aug-21-05 01:11 PM   #83 
  - Of course it's wrong.  evil eggplant   Aug-21-05 05:53 PM   #107 
  - What I think  FreedomAngel82   Aug-21-05 05:55 PM   #110 
  - No. Not unless you do something atrociously illegal on it.  darkism   Aug-21-05 05:57 PM   #112 
  - I fyou have to ask--hell, effing, yes. Why ask US?  blondeatlast   Aug-21-05 05:59 PM   #114 
  - How do you know you're stealing?  GoneOffShore   Aug-21-05 06:22 PM   #121 
  - Well, if you have something that belongs to someone else...  spuddonna   Aug-21-05 06:42 PM   #133 
  - I live in an apartment and have a desktop and laptop...  Clintmax   Aug-21-05 06:38 PM   #131 
  - Do lock the MAC address of your PC in the router.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:19 PM   #144 
  - I enable the encryption because I work hard for my $45 a month.  OrlandoGator   Aug-21-05 07:29 PM   #149 
  - Don't argue that point, lest you be called a rapist in this thread.  VTMechEngr   Aug-21-05 07:45 PM   #159 
     - Please point out where you were called a rapist on this thread?  tx_dem41   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #162 
        - It's not really a matter of ethics, it's a matter of reality.  OrlandoGator   Aug-21-05 08:23 PM   #179 
  - Yes it is wrong. Taking something without permission  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Aug-21-05 07:34 PM   #154 
  - Yes.  lateo   Aug-21-05 07:47 PM   #160 
  - Yes I think it is wrong.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-21-05 07:55 PM   #167 
  - Sure, stealing is stealing, but sometimes  GoneOffShore   Aug-21-05 08:01 PM   #168 
     - I couldn't do it. Someone else is paying for it...therefor it's not mine.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-21-05 08:11 PM   #172 
  - If you have to ask if it's wrong, then it probably is.  lectrobyte   Aug-21-05 10:33 PM   #196 
  - Agreed.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 10:41 PM   #199 
  - Yes. You are stealing what I paid for. It's the same as stealing my car.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 10:39 PM   #197 
  - "What type of wireless adapter are you speaking of"  Old_Fart   Aug-21-05 11:12 PM   #208 
  - I think any kind in general.  PatriotGames   Aug-21-05 11:18 PM   #210 
  - Locking  Moderator   Aug-21-05 11:53 PM   #214 

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