You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #71: Some revisionist history there. [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
71. Some revisionist history there.
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 02:41 PM by amBushed
Humphrey was not, and did not run as an anti-war candidate. That was his biggest mistake. He wanted to remain loyal to Johnson's policies as the sitting Vice President, so he didn't criticize the war at all until almost the end of the campaign.

Bobby Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy were the anti-war candidates, not Humphrey. Humphrey was tied to Johnson's pro-war policy, that's why he lost.

Nixon was free to criticize the war because he had no IWR equivalent on his record.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -Pro-war Democrats pberq  Aug-20-05 12:29 PM   #0 
  - Since Hillary and  jrthin   Aug-20-05 12:34 PM   #1 
  - "Since Hillary and Biden are so pro-war"  moddemny   Aug-20-05 11:56 PM   #99 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 02:07 PM   #109 
        - Automactically calling someone a dlc operative.......  moddemny   Aug-21-05 03:10 PM   #112 
           - But the DLC bot that can't spell automatically is clearly sporting high IQ  tasteblind   Aug-22-05 02:14 PM   #122 
              - Clinging to a typo to win a debate?  moddemny   Aug-23-05 04:01 AM   #125 
                 - You cast the first stone with your "brain dead" comment.  tasteblind   Aug-23-05 07:28 AM   #127 
                    - I cast the first stone?  moddemny   Aug-23-05 12:57 PM   #128 
                       - This is just like what Kerry did...he voted for the war and then  tasteblind   Aug-23-05 02:00 PM   #129 
                          - Part of the problem ......  moddemny   Aug-23-05 04:40 PM   #134 
  - The DLC is just a home for "moderate" Republicans.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-20-05 12:36 PM   #2 
  - We were going to war  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 12:39 PM   #3 
  - True to a degree  amBushed   Aug-20-05 12:46 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, remember Kerry and Clelland  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:01 PM   #12 
     - Kerry was done in by the "flip flop" attack  Armstead   Aug-20-05 01:10 PM   #19 
     - If that were true  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:14 PM   #25 
        - Anyone asked Hagel or Jones if they are 'flipflopping'?  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-20-05 01:21 PM   #30 
        - Had Saddam not been captured in December  dsc   Aug-20-05 02:12 PM   #58 
        - The Dem Establishment is enslaved to corporate interests who profit off of  Larkspur   Aug-20-05 02:36 PM   #65 
        - That's it in a nutshell, Larkspur!  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:55 PM   #76 
        - I can think of two easy examples: Feinstein and Harman.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:12 PM   #82 
        - Because the media and Democratic establishment...  Armstead   Aug-20-05 02:48 PM   #74 
     - Yeah, except the problem was, Humphrey was not a true antiwar candidate  pberq   Aug-20-05 01:55 PM   #41 
     - Some revisionist history there.  amBushed   Aug-20-05 02:41 PM   #71 
        - Ok, it was a poor comparison  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 02:52 PM   #75 
  - O.K. may be that was true in 2002, BUT this is 2005!  pberq   Aug-20-05 12:47 PM   #5 
  - So they won't be painted as "soft on defense,"  NYCGirl   Aug-20-05 12:50 PM   #8 
     - So they should embrace an ongoing war crime for PR purposes?  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:05 PM   #47 
  - Explain the 'necessity' of it please. And why is it not 'necessary' for  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-20-05 12:49 PM   #6 
  - "Political necessity" cost thousands of lives.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-20-05 12:55 PM   #10 
  - Right. So much for personal integrity and sticking to one's beliefs.  TankLV   Aug-20-05 01:10 PM   #20 
  - "We were against the war, our deputies, our Ministers, were all against...  JanMichael   Aug-20-05 03:27 PM   #89 
  - Well, the political climate changes.  renaissanceguy   Aug-20-05 03:54 PM   #95 
  - No. F-ing. Way. A vote on war is the time to stand up, not the time  KnowerOfLogic   Aug-20-05 04:58 PM   #98 
  - "Pro-war". Nice sound bite. Short and slanderous.  Inland   Aug-20-05 12:49 PM   #7 
  - Humbug. They voted for the war and still support the occupation.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-20-05 12:53 PM   #9 
  - The first order of business for a politician  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:04 PM   #14 
  - Yeah, even if it's on the graves of the innocent.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:09 PM   #54 
  - Well, I don't think I am posting on a site called...  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 02:59 PM   #78 
     - Nope, I checked, you're not.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:08 PM   #81 
        - And so does wishful thinking  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 03:17 PM   #85 
           - There's a difference between wishful thinking and idealism.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:21 PM   #87 
              - The difference between idealism and wishful thinking is  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 03:31 PM   #91 
                 - That's not wishful thinking, that's arrogance.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:50 PM   #93 
                    - Hey, why not both?  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 04:29 PM   #97 
  - Yes. At any price. Even the bodies of people.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-20-05 02:37 PM   #66 
  - No, they didn't "vote for the war."  Inland   Aug-20-05 01:19 PM   #28 
     - Sorry, but they knew what they were doing when they voted for  pberq   Aug-20-05 01:54 PM   #40 
     - What were they doing?  paulk   Aug-20-05 03:06 PM   #79 
        - If we go with your interpretation, a question arises:  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:15 PM   #84 
           - I'm sure there were different reasons for different people  paulk   Aug-20-05 03:54 PM   #96 
              - Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  Zhade   Aug-21-05 03:19 PM   #114 
                 - well, it's known that Kerry was on Gore's shortlist  paulk   Aug-21-05 08:13 PM   #117 
                    - Sad that we live in a country where such views would be a liability!  Zhade   Aug-21-05 09:07 PM   #120 
     - Hillary and Biden were for it. And, still are.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-20-05 02:40 PM   #68 
        - What purpose does the truth serve, besides peace and justice?  Inland   Aug-21-05 12:21 PM   #101 
        - The "truth" is that they acted like the opportunistic politicians they are  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-21-05 12:35 PM   #103 
           - And your proof of that, is that they didn't agree with you. Nothing more.  Inland   Aug-21-05 01:26 PM   #104 
              - Well, keep on defending the politicians who put their ambitions first.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-21-05 01:49 PM   #106 
                 - The truth is the truth. You can decide if it's a defense.  Inland   Aug-21-05 02:38 PM   #110 
                    - Just where are the "lies" you are talking about?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-21-05 08:43 PM   #118 
                       - What, haven't I been clear?  Inland   Aug-22-05 02:12 PM   #121 
        - The best clue to those who genuinely want to get out  karynnj   Aug-21-05 01:42 PM   #105 
  - Amen...  liberaliraqvet26   Aug-20-05 01:02 PM   #13 
  - So they are opportunists whores, willing to sell out to the highest bidder  TankLV   Aug-20-05 01:11 PM   #21 
  - There were 21 Democratic Senators and well over 100 House members...  Telly Savalas   Aug-20-05 01:12 PM   #22 
  - And name one  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:15 PM   # 
     - Russ Feingold 2008  wuushew   Aug-20-05 01:18 PM   #27 
     - I've not seen a poll that includes Feingold  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:36 PM   #34 
     - Yes! Feingold is our best bet as of now  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:40 PM   #70 
     - A whiff of hypocrisy  FightinNewDem   Aug-21-05 08:47 PM   #119 
        - Anti-War > Pro-labor  wuushew   Aug-22-05 02:51 PM   #124 
     - So it's okay to allow oneself to be 'fooled' for political expediency?  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:17 PM   #60 
        - No, but I am not expecting an excuse  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 02:38 PM   # 
        - I don't believe that for a second.  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:43 PM   #72 
        - I think you actually answered me in the affirmative.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:47 PM   #73 
           - I don't think it's all that iffy  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 02:57 PM   #77 
              - Yeah, and the 'containment' including constant bombings...  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:06 PM   #80 
                 - I'll take a Democrat who is "marginally better" on FP  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 03:14 PM   #83 
                    - So the only choices in this country are 'kinda militaristic'...  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:19 PM   #86 
                       - Cindy Sheehan might have changed that  pberq   Aug-20-05 03:25 PM   #88 
                          - I think it was possible long before Cindy.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 03:29 PM   #90 
        - It's not that black and white  karynnj   Aug-21-05 01:57 PM   #107 
           - "...that the Iraq war would not have happened?"  Zhade   Aug-21-05 03:22 PM   #115 
  - Sorry, but there was plenty of evidence out there that Bush was lying  pberq   Aug-20-05 01:57 PM   #43 
  - the IWR was equivalent to holding a gun to someone's head  wuushew   Aug-20-05 01:05 PM   #15 
  - Swingvoters & moderates dont buy that. Neither do Liberal DEMs.  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 01:05 PM   #16 
  - Perhaps they would say they made a mistake  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:13 PM   #23 
  - Does someone have to ask them to speak the obvious?  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 01:15 PM   #26 
  - You are so right!  sue_66   Aug-20-05 01:24 PM   #31 
  - And when they do "come clean", we'll be here to call them liars  Inland   Aug-20-05 01:24 PM   #32 
     - They should have listened to the base from the get go...  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 01:39 PM   #35 
     - Your premise is confusing.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:15 PM   #59 
        - The OP says they were "pro war."  Inland   Aug-21-05 12:10 PM   #100 
           - Well, some of them ARE pro-war.  Zhade   Aug-21-05 03:24 PM   #116 
  - As long as they support continued occupation.  K-W   Aug-20-05 01:09 PM   #18 
  - No, they aren't.  Inland   Aug-20-05 01:28 PM   #33 
     - "there's going to be a war either way"???  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:02 PM   #46 
     - Pro-war is pro-war, you are spinning.  K-W   Aug-20-05 02:06 PM   #51 
  - This argument that those politicians, who have access to  Skidmore   Aug-20-05 01:49 PM   #37 
  - Well said, Skidmore  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:05 PM   #48 
  - DAMN STRAIGHT!  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:25 PM   #61 
  - Sorry, but there was plenty of evidence  pberq   Aug-20-05 01:50 PM   #39 
  - Look at Clinton servicing a Big Lie!  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:32 PM   #63 
  - You know, it's interesting - even if the UN had approved the war...  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:08 PM   #52 
  - exactly so!  GreenArrow   Aug-21-05 02:58 PM   #111 
  - Excuse me, but WE knew the war was bullshit as far back as 2002  derby378   Aug-21-05 03:16 PM   #113 
  - They are out of touch and 1 year behind the times- as always.  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 12:57 PM   #11 
  - Do you remember when  Autonomy   Aug-20-05 01:07 PM   #17 
     - Rangel expressed that intention...  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 01:13 PM   #24 
  - DrFate has hit the bullseye again. It is the reason the Democratic  greyhound1966   Aug-20-05 01:20 PM   #29 
  - This discussion points out the need for a dark horse Dem. candidate.  heidler1   Aug-20-05 01:44 PM   #36 
  - Hackett did not use those failed DEM strategies- he used his gut.  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 01:49 PM   #38 
  - "This discussion points out the need for a dark horse Dem. candidate."  CNewton   Aug-20-05 01:56 PM   #42 
  - Kennedy already ran in 1980  wuushew   Aug-20-05 01:59 PM   #44 
  - Nah- why turn an election into a media murder mystery?  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 02:01 PM   #45 
     - Let em talk  CNewton   Aug-20-05 02:06 PM   #50 
        - Good luck with that one. n/t  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 02:10 PM   #55 
  - I think you're right, but, once again, he/she will be slapped down  greyhound1966   Aug-20-05 03:52 PM   #94 
  - Yeah, and all too often it's the MIDDLE finger.  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:33 PM   #64 
  - I don't see them as pro-war at all.  Oerdin   Aug-20-05 02:05 PM   #49 
  - Anyone who supports more war, is pro-war. This isnt complicated.  K-W   Aug-20-05 02:08 PM   #53 
  - Nuance did not work in '04.  Dr Fate   Aug-20-05 02:11 PM   #56 
  - I don't think everyone agrees that US pullout = civil war at all.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-20-05 02:12 PM   #57 
  - So you still buy the big Civil War excuse?  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:38 PM   #67 
  - "...is not even remotely in our interests..."  Zhade   Aug-20-05 02:40 PM   #69 
  - only peace can be negotiated  no_to_war_economy   Aug-23-05 02:26 PM   #132 
  - the Strategic Class  pberq   Aug-20-05 02:32 PM   #62 
  - Perhaps this illistrates the need for a true 'Liberal Party'  God Bless the USA   Aug-20-05 03:38 PM   #92 
  - Fear. Pure and Simple.  salin   Aug-21-05 12:24 PM   #102 
  - I'll vote in the primaries  Geek_Girl   Aug-21-05 02:04 PM   #108 
  - Well it is because their corporate masters don't want the war to end  MadHound   Aug-22-05 02:18 PM   #123 
  - The return of the BS construct that only serve the GOP to devide + conquer  Bombtrack   Aug-23-05 05:05 AM   #126 
  - This is Bush's war. The only "pro-war Democrat" is Zell Miller.  oasis   Aug-23-05 02:09 PM   #130 
  - Hillary and Biden are the furthest thing from my mind - they don't show me  Imagevision   Aug-23-05 02:20 PM   #131 
  - Blame Democrats for not speaking up NOW, but enough w/blaming them  mtnsnake   Aug-23-05 02:33 PM   #133 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC