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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 10:09 AM
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6. I have to agree with that...
I understand that one of the cornerstones of human behavior is that we are motivated by two things:

1). The desire to seek pleasure

2). The desire to avoid pain

...and everything else is essentially a variant of those two categories. We really don't take action for any other reason.

However, while pain at the pump may spur alternative fuel legislation...and I use the term "may" loosely...there are plenty of people who were in pain from George W. Bush's "strong, and gettin' STRONGER" economy BEFORE the recent price hikes.

I drove by the local Chevron station yesterday, and after several days of waffling, they raised the price on Supreme from "2.99 & 9/10ths" to "3.03 & 9/10ths."

For people who are struggling to pay rent and keep food on the table, I have a real challenge seeing this as "good."
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  -I want higher gas prices. KarenInMA  Aug-19-05 10:01 AM   #0 
  - What about people that can't afford higher prices?  kentuck   Aug-19-05 10:04 AM   #1 
  - I feel very bad for those people,  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:08 AM   #4 
  - I have to agree with that...  Bush_Eats_Beef   Aug-19-05 10:09 AM   #6 
  - whether or not it's "good" is ultimately immaterial....  mike_c   Aug-19-05 10:32 AM   #23 
     - Agreed, it's inevitable...  Bush_Eats_Beef   Aug-19-05 10:36 AM   #26 
     - So why should oil companies make obscene profits if it is inevitable?  kentuck   Aug-19-05 10:37 AM   #28 
        - "Why not put price controls on the oil companies"  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:38 AM   #30 
        - nixon did it, you calling him an honest politician  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:34 AM   #63 
        - I agree 100 percent....  mike_c   Aug-19-05 10:43 AM   #36 
        - How do you propose we do this?  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:45 AM   #37 
           - Exactly...folks, let's get real...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:57 AM   #44 
        - Um, it's not the oil companies.  Redstone   Aug-19-05 11:16 AM   #56 
           - But oil companies have record profits ?  kentuck   Aug-19-05 11:29 AM   #60 
              - One more time: The oil companies have record profits,  Redstone   Aug-19-05 05:06 PM   #83 
  - agree and I am one of them ...  earthmama   Aug-19-05 11:26 AM   #59 
  - People won't have anything to eat in the near future if we don't  Lorien   Aug-19-05 06:37 PM   #86 
  - I wrote a paper almost 30 years ago in which I suggested a 50-cent tax  Ron_Green   Aug-19-05 10:08 AM   #2 
  - Why don't you run for public office?  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:09 AM   #5 
  - You weren't bribed by the oil companies for your opinion.  FloridaPat   Aug-19-05 10:12 AM   #9 
  - In a way we've all been bribed with cheap fossil fuel prices  Ron_Green   Aug-19-05 10:17 AM   #14 
     - Bingo was his name-o, Ron_Green!!!  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:39 AM   #32 
  - There were a few such proposals  ramapo   Aug-19-05 10:23 AM   #19 
  - I hear ya, Karen...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:08 AM   #3 
  - Mass transit is part of it  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:10 AM   #7 
     - BushCo is oilman=oil companies hate mass transit=disaster  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:12 AM   #10 
  - There is no money. The treasury is empty. The future has been  FloridaPat   Aug-19-05 10:11 AM   #8 
  - Sad, but very true...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:13 AM   #12 
  - I haven't heard that since the seventies  Career Prole   Aug-19-05 10:12 AM   #11 
  - You and me both, Career Prole...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:16 AM   #13 
  - Did I say poor people don't drive?  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:19 AM   #15 
  - karen your analysis will kill yr children's hope of clean air  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:40 AM   #66 
     - You can't run cars on coal.  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 12:00 PM   #71 
        - But if you're talking about the govt doing something....  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 12:30 PM   #76 
  - But don't you know?  CrispyQGirl   Aug-19-05 11:07 AM   #54 
  - Well it is HURTING ME BADLY!!! I ONLY TAKE HOME ENOUGH TO BUY FOOD  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:21 AM   #16 
  - Higher prices are just making oil companies even more powerful.  1932   Aug-19-05 10:21 AM   #17 
  - But this is only way.  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:28 AM   #20 
     - consumption tax on gas, or windfall profit taxes on oil corp profits.  1932   Aug-19-05 10:32 AM   #22 
     - You make some good points, 1932...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:38 AM   #29 
     - "their desire to conserve fuel"  Ron_Green   Aug-19-05 10:43 AM   #35 
        - Well, so be it....  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 11:04 AM   #52 
        - You hit the nail on the head with this post!  CrispyQGirl   Aug-19-05 11:20 AM   #57 
           - Bravo, CrispyQGirl...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 11:40 AM   #67 
     - It's so ironic, while we're having this discussion...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:34 AM   #24 
     - People were demanding it before it was hurting!  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:36 AM   #25 
     - What did Clinton, or Bush 1 or Reagan do about this  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:42 AM   #34 
        - What I was talking about was the global talks and other environmental laws  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:54 AM   #41 
     - you're always wrong when you say yr way is only way  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:47 AM   #68 
  - Jimmy Carter = Conservation, Public Works, Infrastructure  Ron_Green   Aug-19-05 10:22 AM   #18 
  - I'm with you...  Township75   Aug-19-05 10:31 AM   #21 
  - the middle and upper class will not feel any pinches unless it goes to $20  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:39 AM   #31 
  - It already sucks for the poor.  Career Prole   Aug-19-05 03:46 PM   #82 
  - If gas goes to $5/gallon soon, I'll be able to afford 1 fill-up per month  Mairead   Aug-19-05 10:37 AM   #27 
  - maybe this is what people mean by the "liberal elite"  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:41 AM   #33 
  - Why would you say that?  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:46 AM   #38 
  - My solution would be to fight it now rather than waiting for it to get  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 10:51 AM   #39 
     - Fight it how?  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:56 AM   #43 
     - That is what I wanted to hear :D  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 11:04 AM   #51 
     - "Most people who voted for Bush are poor"? How do you know their....  Media_Lies_Daily   Aug-19-05 10:59 AM   #46 
     - wow, um I don't know their vote was counted  jsamuel   Aug-19-05 11:05 AM   #53 
     - Seems to me folks should be cutting off...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 11:00 AM   #47 
  - Well, don't hold your breath for the repukes to help...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 10:55 AM   #42 
  - I don't think that is what she meant.  friesianrider   Aug-19-05 12:14 PM   #73 
  - Here's my "unfortunate reality" for you....  Media_Lies_Daily   Aug-19-05 10:53 AM   #40 
  - it's gonna hurt. I know  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 10:58 AM   #45 
  - Oh, that's a great solution!  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 11:03 AM   #48 
  - I'm not going without a fight  KarenInMA   Aug-19-05 11:04 AM   #50 
  - Have we evolved so little...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 11:12 AM   #55 
  - and we all know that the us military would be unable to handle  Catholic Sensation   Aug-19-05 11:38 AM   #65 
  - "Hurt"? I don't think you have a clue how bad it's going to get....  Media_Lies_Daily   Aug-19-05 11:04 AM   #49 
     - Things are going to get alot worse,  CrispyQGirl   Aug-19-05 11:31 AM   #62 
  - Revolution occurs when the middle class dwindles away...  friesianrider   Aug-19-05 12:15 PM   #74 
  - USA use twice much gas as europe  YapiYapo   Aug-19-05 11:21 AM   #58 
  - yes we have a large country, they have little ones  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:53 AM   #69 
     - That's one of the sorriest excuses for inaction...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 12:13 PM   #72 
     - What's matter is average mileage per car. US/EU  YapiYapo   Aug-19-05 01:03 PM   #77 
        - Some would try to argue that it does....  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 01:15 PM   #78 
  - then you want the utter destruction of our mountains  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:31 AM   #61 
  - That's what the oil people said to Cheney when they thought up the war  mtnsnake   Aug-19-05 11:37 AM   #64 
  - sure  pitohui   Aug-19-05 11:59 AM   #70 
     - Again, do you really think a repuke controlled government...  getmeouttahere   Aug-19-05 12:17 PM   #75 
     - Great post, pitohui. n/t  mtnsnake   Aug-19-05 02:01 PM   #79 
  - I agree.  seersuckersuit   Aug-19-05 02:06 PM   #80 
  - Do not fret, you will get your wish! It'll make you very happy to know gas  LaPera   Aug-19-05 02:12 PM   #81 
  - I've been saying this for years.  MercutioATC   Aug-19-05 06:26 PM   #84 
  - So does *. Except you want reform. He wants a dictatorship.  HypnoToad   Aug-19-05 06:34 PM   #85 

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