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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:45 PM
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13. No, they are not, Terwilliger.
While I can acknowledge the fact that these people are attempting to do good works, I cannot condone the fact that they must proselytize to others in the process. I'm not into anyone shoving their beliefs on others, especially from a position of power that these people enjoy, whether they realize it or not.

And I'm disappointed that you would make such a baseless accusation.

Finally, the idea that it needs to be strictly a "governmental organization" is a false one, IMHO. In fact, I believe that is one of the things that we, on the left, bite ourselves in the ass about. Government is NOT always the best provider of services -- for one reason, because government cannot provide a sense of COMMUNITY and SUPPORT that is often so badly needed by people in programs such as welfare. What about getting away from the "faith-based" and instead concentrating on grants to community-based organizations, along with the adequate follow-up to make certain that the program is being run "properly"?
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  -Thoughts on the NOW segment on faith-based programs IrateCitizen  Sep-29-03 02:12 PM   #0 
  - No easy answers  jono   Sep-29-03 02:21 PM   #1 
  - Thanks for reinforcing my cynicism!  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 02:33 PM   #4 
     - I didn't mean to shortchange them  jono   Sep-29-03 02:42 PM   #11 
  - I was highly disturbed by it  LostInAmerica   Sep-29-03 02:28 PM   #2 
  - I agree very much with this:  jono   Sep-29-03 02:35 PM   #7 
  - I think it's important to look at this from their point of view  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 02:40 PM   #9 
  - I'm not so sure about "one and the same thing"  sangh0   Sep-29-03 02:49 PM   #15 
  - ditto n/t  Francis   Sep-29-03 02:48 PM   #14 
  - I think she needed a break  LostInAmerica   Sep-29-03 03:35 PM   #20 
  - Spot on!  LeahMira   Sep-29-03 02:49 PM   #16 
  - Of course  chadm   Sep-29-03 04:18 PM   #29 
  - so-called "Faith Based Initiative = welfare for churches  Walt Starr   Sep-29-03 02:32 PM   #3 
  - Walt, did you actually see the piece I'm referring to?  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 02:35 PM   #5 
     - Sorry, every time I see anything about the so-called "Faith Based  Walt Starr   Sep-29-03 03:37 PM   #22 
        - Even if I specifically requested it be in context of the NOW piece?  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 03:39 PM   #24 
  - What concerned me was  sangh0   Sep-29-03 02:35 PM   #6 
  - That didn't cross my mind, but it is disturbing nonetheless.  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 02:36 PM   #8 
  - Those are the religious people you keep demanding that I tolerate  Terwilliger   Sep-29-03 02:40 PM   #10 
  - No, it's not them you should tolerate  sangh0   Sep-29-03 02:45 PM   #12 
  - the liberal believers tend to bring their belief to others  Terwilliger   Sep-29-03 03:39 PM   #23 
  - No, they are not, Terwilliger.  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 02:45 PM   #13 
     - It's your bailiwick...your religion...  Terwilliger   Sep-29-03 03:37 PM   #21 
        - Will you please cite ONE instance of my condoning their proselytizing?  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 03:46 PM   #27 
           - INCAPABLE of providing.  Terwilliger   Sep-29-03 04:02 PM   #28 
  - I don't doubt the sincerity of these Jesus-types...  edzontar   Sep-29-03 02:56 PM   #17 
  - They're committing an abuse of power, plain and simple.  IrateCitizen   Sep-29-03 03:04 PM   #18 
     - You nailed it, IC  LostInAmerica   Sep-29-03 03:34 PM   #19 
     - Oh, and one other obvious thing  LostInAmerica   Sep-29-03 03:39 PM   #25 
  - mp3 and quicktime for those who missed it  Wonk   Sep-29-03 03:45 PM   #26 
  - Wonk: Thanks for the Mahler show. And thanks for all the others  LittleApple81   Sep-29-03 09:21 PM   #31 
  - I look at it more as diversifying programs.  Festivito   Sep-29-03 09:18 PM   #30 

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