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Sat Aug-06-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #125 |
| 148. Oh, and by the way... |
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Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 03:30 PM by manic expression
my only "personal attack" wasn't all that serious. Read my second reply, and try to object to that instead of your pathetic whining.
And, obviously, you always lost this debate, and always will.
(on edit): and if you can't figure it out, my second reply is #147.
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| -Hiroshima: What would you have done? |
bpilgrim |
Aug-05-05 09:45 PM |
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The A-bomb was a war crime. Palestinians do commit terrorist acts. But |
wurzel |
Aug-05-05 09:58 PM |
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don't ask |
bpilgrim |
Aug-05-05 10:04 PM |
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Cooking men women and children non combatants is hard for me to deal |
niallmac |
Aug-05-05 11:03 PM |
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I agree, niallmac |
zanne |
Aug-06-05 09:00 AM |
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The problem with the demo option was, they only had two bombs |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:23 PM |
#113 |
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Hiroshima & Nagasaki did have military production facilities. |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:19 PM |
#112 |
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Okay, who voted "other" and didn't elaborate? n/t |
IanDB1 |
Aug-05-05 09:59 PM |
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hmm |
dweller |
Aug-05-05 10:05 PM |
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Demo |
dweller |
Aug-05-05 10:04 PM |
#4 |
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Demonstration |
ck4829 |
Aug-05-05 10:17 PM |
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Hiroshima was quite a Demonstration, yet |
Fescue4u |
Aug-06-05 01:33 AM |
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I would have dropped it on some harmless, peaceful natives somewhere |
IanDB1 |
Aug-05-05 10:19 PM |
#7 |
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I voted for "demo" |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Aug-05-05 10:30 PM |
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the US fascists didn't care about Auschwitz and didn't care about nukes |
wli |
Aug-05-05 10:46 PM |
#9 |
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FDR and Truman were Fascists?? n/t |
wrlwnd |
Aug-06-05 12:49 AM |
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I would say that they themselves were not |
wli |
Aug-06-05 01:24 AM |
#30 |
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They're are others calling the shots |
libhill |
Aug-06-05 07:15 AM |
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What a terribly uninformed thing to say. |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:25 PM |
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Same damn thing - I don't go for revisionist history. |
TankLV |
Aug-05-05 11:14 PM |
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not everyone is gung-ho for collective guilt |
MisterP |
Aug-05-05 11:26 PM |
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But you all sure are for imagined innocence! |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 11:53 AM |
#96 |
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You cannot justify an injustice with another injustice |
manic expression |
Aug-05-05 11:30 PM |
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please read the information. you'll see the revisionism was the other |
nofurylike |
Aug-06-05 12:35 AM |
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I did, THEY are the revisionist history. |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 11:54 AM |
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Without any doubt and unequivocably, precisely the same thing as was done |
Walt Starr |
Aug-05-05 11:23 PM |
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You'd sleep easily after murdering so many |
manic expression |
Aug-05-05 11:43 PM |
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I would know that the war was ended |
Walt Starr |
Aug-05-05 11:59 PM |
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The killing would stop... |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 12:05 AM |
#21 |
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The Japanese were the enemy, their deaths do not matter. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 12:21 AM |
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Words cannot describe.... |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 12:36 AM |
#26 |
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Hiroshima was a center of military industry |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:14 AM |
#50 |
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And those 70,000 innocents |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 09:39 AM |
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They don't matter a whit |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 11:04 AM |
#85 |
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they were defeated and suing for peace... |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 11:08 AM |
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No, they weren't. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:06 PM |
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Sueing for peace |
Parche |
Aug-06-05 04:29 PM |
#153 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-06-05 11:56 AM |
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Ahh, now you resort to personal attacks |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:11 PM |
#125 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-06-05 03:24 PM |
#146 |
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Oh, and by the way... |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 03:29 PM |
#148 |
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debate |
Parche |
Aug-06-05 04:52 PM |
#157 |
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I am not attacking, |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 05:03 PM |
#158 |
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Sure didn't stop the Germans and Japanese from doing it! |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 11:56 AM |
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Take 2... |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 03:27 PM |
#147 |
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Hey Walt |
Parche |
Aug-06-05 04:17 PM |
#151 |
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The Japanese had their enemies. |
tuckessee |
Aug-06-05 12:51 AM |
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Sometimes it takes evil to stop evil. |
ovidsen |
Aug-06-05 07:45 AM |
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That's not genocide |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:09 AM |
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Genocide |
Parche |
Aug-06-05 04:26 PM |
#152 |
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How is that stance any different than the current U.S. position on Iraq? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 08:07 AM |
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Excuse me, when did the Iraqis bomb Pearl Harbor? n/t |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:08 AM |
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Ok, Afghanistan then? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 08:09 AM |
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Whendid the Taliban bomb anything? n./t |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:10 AM |
#48 |
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You're dodging the point purposely. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 08:12 AM |
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No, I'm not. Youre comparing apples to kangaroos. n/t |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:15 AM |
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How? How is killing civilians different in one case than in the other? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 08:16 AM |
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#1, Civilians are killed in ALL wars. There is one way to end that - |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:22 AM |
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This wasn't a few civilians caught in the crosshairs of war. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 08:47 AM |
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What do you figure was the civilian to soldier ratio in a ball bearing |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:57 AM |
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Why does the fact that they killed more people in another bombing excuse |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-06-05 11:35 AM |
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It proves that civilian casualties when targeting a legitimate military |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:48 PM |
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Enemy |
Parche |
Aug-06-05 04:31 PM |
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sounds like the SAME thing UBL would say |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:20 AM |
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Don't like the realities of war? |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:35 AM |
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that tired cartoon PROPAGANDA is clearly affecting your judgment on this |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:50 AM |
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I will go with the opinion of the TOP military advisers that it WAS |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:54 AM |
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the facts are japan was defeated and suing for peace |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 09:06 AM |
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The facts are, there were two factions in Japan at the time |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 09:10 AM |
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they had 1 condition, that we finally agreed to, then it ended |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 09:40 AM |
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But those suing for peace with that one condition could not back it up |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 11:06 AM |
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our military leaders backed it up... |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 11:22 AM |
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But the Japanese military WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED IT!!!!! |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:08 PM |
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they did accept, though, as history records, once their 1 condition w/met |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 01:48 PM |
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Tojo was not prepared to accept it and it was only accepted AFTER |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:51 PM |
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And the apologists conveniently igonore the FACT that the |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:02 PM |
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Yeah - suing for peace so much that they didn't surrender after the FIRST |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:00 PM |
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I agree |
libhill |
Aug-06-05 07:24 AM |
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so you would not have opted to SAVE LIVES? and ignored all your militarily |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:17 AM |
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No, I would have followed the advise of the TOP TWO military advisers |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:50 AM |
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that is fucking sick.. |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-06-05 08:55 AM |
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No, sick would have been invading Japan. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 09:00 AM |
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That's crap... |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 12:11 PM |
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WRONG, a new cabinet was offering peace with NO AUTHORITY |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:11 PM |
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Then accept the peace |
manic expression |
Aug-06-05 02:50 PM |
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the way things were back then |
Skypilot 18 |
Aug-05-05 11:27 PM |
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BINGO! Ding! Ding! Ding! |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:04 PM |
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20/20 Hindsight is one thing, but in the context of the times, I would |
rasputin1952 |
Aug-05-05 11:29 PM |
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Exactly What Was Done, Mr. Pilgrim |
The Magistrate |
Aug-05-05 11:35 PM |
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exactly what was done, sssssssssir? a quarter of a million humans were |
nofurylike |
Aug-06-05 01:11 AM |
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Your Grasp Of The History Involved, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Aug-06-05 01:29 AM |
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do not call me ma'am. now, you do need more study, if you wish to |
nofurylike |
Aug-06-05 01:35 AM |
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I would have opted to accept my military leaders advice to SAVE LIVES |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:33 AM |
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That's what Truman did. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 09:02 AM |
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the military leaders in theater advised accepting japans 1 condition |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 09:28 AM |
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The people who made that one condition didn't have the guns |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 11:07 AM |
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No need for 2 bombs. |
Xap |
Aug-05-05 11:49 PM |
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And that wasn't the end - |
libhill |
Aug-06-05 07:41 AM |
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Bomb #1 didn't convince them to surrender. |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:09 PM |
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True. But neither did Bomb #2. Fear of Russian occupation ended the war |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:38 PM |
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A-Bombing Japan, twice, was the appropriate response... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Aug-06-05 12:13 AM |
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thank you for this thread, bpilgrim. and for the links. devastating.... |
nofurylike |
Aug-06-05 12:22 AM |
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thank you for participating and pass'n the word |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:52 AM |
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Bomb them till they stop killing Americans |
Fescue4u |
Aug-06-05 01:32 AM |
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such as accepting the terms of surrender tendered BEFORE the bombs, |
nofurylike |
Aug-06-05 04:52 AM |
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There was no valid reason to accept |
Fescue4u |
Aug-06-05 12:02 PM |
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Again - that is BULLSHIT! |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:10 PM |
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I've always thought this debate itself was misguided |
Oak2004 |
Aug-06-05 01:58 AM |
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One thing is certain |
libhill |
Aug-06-05 08:09 AM |
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60 years of "relative" peace is something... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Aug-06-05 02:27 PM |
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When you total the cost in blood |
libhill |
Aug-06-05 02:40 PM |
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no military leader in theater AT THAT TIME agree with you... |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 08:30 AM |
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The TOP military advisers said drop the bomb! |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:52 AM |
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I don't think I could have brought myself to use nukes |
Raiden |
Aug-06-05 07:48 AM |
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Should of dropped it right on the Emperors Palace |
Freedomfried |
Aug-06-05 07:57 AM |
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They were crimes against humanity. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-06-05 08:46 AM |
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exactly, pure fucking evil. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-06-05 08:58 AM |
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150 Chicago Scientists who worked on the bomb were polled in 1945... |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-06-05 08:51 AM |
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A "demonstration" was militarily unfeasible. n/t |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 08:53 AM |
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How so? |
wuushew |
Aug-06-05 09:11 AM |
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I would have done nothig to alter the war |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:09 PM |
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"legitimate military targest such as Hiroshima and Nagasaki."... |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-06-05 01:16 PM |
#126 |
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One again....besides other facts of the war, if the Firestorm over Tokyo, |
rasputin1952 |
Aug-06-05 09:02 AM |
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Red Army Invasion of Manchuria |
Boreas |
Aug-06-05 09:19 AM |
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EVERY military leader in theater at the time DISAGREED with decision |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 09:46 AM |
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"THE DECISION TO USE THE ATOMIC BOMB" - THE H-NET DEBATE |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 09:56 AM |
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Was bombing Hiroshima really needed? New research suggests it wasn't. |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 10:54 AM |
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Very informative. Very intriguing. But reality in Tokyo is meaningless. |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:32 PM |
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We set a precedent -- will we regret later? |
fortyfeetunder |
Aug-06-05 11:11 AM |
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i believe the whole world will and has ever since |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 11:25 AM |
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No one seems to mention the killing of a teacher and students in |
hayu_lol |
Aug-06-05 11:57 AM |
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Why was unconditional surrender so important ? |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-06-05 12:31 PM |
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The condition the Japanese wanted was to keep the Emperor but |
neverforget |
Aug-06-05 02:49 PM |
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the Japanese Emperor has always been a figure head, especially during WWII |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 03:51 PM |
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Bombs away! |
MrSlayer |
Aug-06-05 11:41 AM |
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what an apt user name |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 11:43 AM |
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Nothing wrong with studying it. |
MrSlayer |
Aug-06-05 11:57 AM |
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I would have bombed military targets, not civilans. |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-06-05 11:45 AM |
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We did. They were all intermingled. Couldn't avoid hitting civilians. |
TankLV |
Aug-06-05 12:14 PM |
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You need to explain that comment a little better. |
Bucky |
Aug-06-05 12:29 PM |
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I've read articles that Eisenhower threatened to use bomb in Korea if the |
FreeStateDemocrat |
Aug-06-05 12:02 PM |
#104 |
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After watching "the fog of war" |
Lannes |
Aug-06-05 12:11 PM |
#109 |
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I don't think it's possible to put yourself in the shoes of Truman |
paulk |
Aug-06-05 12:29 PM |
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How many times do the Japanese have to surrender? |
Generic Other |
Aug-06-05 12:38 PM |
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not really, Japan retained it visions of power |
idlisambar |
Aug-06-05 01:32 PM |
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Interesting |
Walt Starr |
Aug-06-05 01:44 PM |
#128 |
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I think the lesson the world learned was to never use those terrible |
neverforget |
Aug-06-05 01:44 PM |
#129 |
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they sure are building plenty of em... and our current foreign policy |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 01:50 PM |
#132 |
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This day is always a grim reminder |
Generic Other |
Aug-06-05 02:31 PM |
#138 |
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Just dropping in... |
darkism |
Aug-06-05 01:56 PM |
#134 |
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alright, I'm coming down on the side of "take conditional surrender" |
boddhi |
Aug-06-05 02:06 PM |
#135 |
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War is war |
Baclava |
Aug-06-05 02:17 PM |
#136 |
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then obviously, you would vote for accepting their 1 condition |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 02:38 PM |
#139 |
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I blame the aliens for all wars |
Baclava |
Aug-06-05 02:57 PM |
#143 |
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honestly? I don't know. |
ulysses |
Aug-06-05 03:09 PM |
#144 |
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Thank you for trying to share truth and sanity today. |
Zhade |
Aug-06-05 03:11 PM |
#145 |
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We were reading the Japanese Diplomatic dispatches at the time |
neverforget |
Aug-06-05 03:52 PM |
#150 |
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all of our military leaders in theater at the time, disagree with you ... |
bpilgrim |
Aug-06-05 04:41 PM |
#155 |
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Had to |
Drewskie |
Aug-06-05 04:48 PM |
#156 |
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Locking.... |
Moderator |
Aug-06-05 05:46 PM |
#159 |
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