dhinojosa
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Wed Aug-03-05 05:19 PM
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| 7. You like java too eh... |
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that's my life right there.
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| -Why don't "we" build an 'open source' voting machine company?? |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:15 PM |
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Because paper ballots hand counted would be cheaper and more secure |
libertypirate |
Aug-03-05 05:15 PM |
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No arguement.. but people have 'machines in their mind'... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:17 PM |
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In the 2004 presidential primary, I voted on a plain piece of paper. |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 05:20 PM |
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You just don't get it... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:22 PM |
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OK, if people need automation, then how about |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 05:27 PM |
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what I propose would have that as an OPTION.. |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:30 PM |
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What is the point of electronic voting machines |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 05:36 PM |
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If you have a MACHINE print the ballot... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:46 PM |
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People can make a lot more mistakes with electronic voting |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 06:01 PM |
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"Open" source would be a big step forward, but still has invisibility |
Land Shark |
Aug-04-05 07:28 PM |
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Voting machines that aren't connected to the internet cannot get viruses. |
Massacure |
Aug-05-05 07:56 AM |
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Exactly! |
merh |
Aug-03-05 09:53 PM |
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Still depends on who is counting. |
Tigress DEM |
Aug-03-05 10:59 PM |
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Disagree |
dhinojosa |
Aug-03-05 05:19 PM |
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Wind? not if countd AT precincts. ballots never move |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:29 PM |
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A couple of cans of gas, and a gun, and there goes those ballots. |
dhinojosa |
Aug-03-05 05:33 PM |
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? a gun, and all databases go out the window |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:37 PM |
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If after each vote it gets automatically wired out of the precinct? |
dhinojosa |
Aug-03-05 05:39 PM |
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elec. wire-out each vote:tricks abound there |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:43 PM |
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How do you prevent ballot stuffing? |
merh |
Aug-03-05 09:54 PM |
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Each precinct watcher can have a stamp. |
Festivito |
Aug-04-05 05:46 AM |
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"a tedious review could begin" |
merh |
Aug-04-05 09:49 AM |
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Volunteers and paid volunteers. |
Festivito |
Aug-05-05 06:17 AM |
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Who funds the paid volunteers? |
merh |
Aug-05-05 09:14 AM |
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I understand the concern when there is pay. |
Festivito |
Aug-05-05 04:48 PM |
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Since you have been involved in overseeing elections, how easy |
merh |
Aug-05-05 04:58 PM |
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My friend oversaw. |
Festivito |
Aug-05-05 07:23 PM |
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And it was the "contenders" watchers that caused such a problem |
merh |
Aug-05-05 07:51 PM |
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Not so much the watchers. Republican judges were the problem. |
Festivito |
Aug-05-05 11:38 PM |
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I am a software engineer who started out as an |
libertypirate |
Aug-03-05 06:56 PM |
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Do the freaken math. |
yowzayowzayowza |
Aug-03-05 07:32 PM |
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What is dangerous is the folks who haven't a clue what it takes |
merh |
Aug-03-05 08:59 PM |
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Exactly... |
libertypirate |
Aug-03-05 10:37 PM |
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Well, let's put it this way. |
merh |
Aug-03-05 11:25 PM |
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So how do we weed through who is going to do it right |
libertypirate |
Aug-04-05 06:31 PM |
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You don't necessarily. |
yowzayowzayowza |
Aug-05-05 07:56 AM |
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Now see, that is where you guys miss the practicalities of |
merh |
Aug-03-05 08:50 PM |
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What's the hurry? |
A Simple Game |
Aug-03-05 09:06 PM |
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How are you going to fund the recount? |
merh |
Aug-03-05 09:08 PM |
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There doesn't seem to be a problem |
A Simple Game |
Aug-03-05 09:29 PM |
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Canada's population compared to ours? |
merh |
Aug-03-05 09:47 PM |
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So California uses the same number of counters that |
A Simple Game |
Aug-03-05 10:03 PM |
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Go back and what the footage from the Florida recounts. |
merh |
Aug-03-05 10:12 PM |
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My saying give me a week was hyperbole. |
A Simple Game |
Aug-03-05 10:28 PM |
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You must be living in another realm of reality. |
merh |
Aug-03-05 10:54 PM |
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Ok, last one for the night. |
A Simple Game |
Aug-03-05 11:45 PM |
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Excuse me - hand counts take longer than recounts. |
merh |
Aug-03-05 11:53 PM |
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Take 10 deep breaths. |
A Simple Game |
Aug-04-05 12:22 AM |
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Again, your ignorance of election laws is showing. |
merh |
Aug-04-05 12:31 AM |
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Actually, In Washington state, a recount is a full recount of all ballots. |
claudiajean |
Aug-04-05 03:18 AM |
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Like you said, you live in a county with a small population. |
merh |
Aug-04-05 09:46 AM |
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Hand counts are not accurate. If you gave one person 1,000 ballots |
Egalitariat |
Aug-04-05 06:47 PM |
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I thought a bunch of geeks were already on it. |
aquart |
Aug-03-05 05:18 PM |
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Maybe we should hit Soros for a grant :) |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:19 PM |
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I think we should get all the grants we could. Maybe we could be .. |
Tiggeroshii |
Aug-03-05 05:22 PM |
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Still, PAPER BALLOTS HAND COUNTED |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:21 PM |
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If the CODE is open, and the voter has to approve the printed ballot... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:23 PM |
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Genius exists to surprise you with new tricks |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:40 PM |
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it's a shell game |
foo_bar |
Aug-03-05 09:16 PM |
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The voter has to approve the printed ballot. |
Pobeka |
Aug-03-05 05:56 PM |
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I agree. With publicly-witnessed counting. |
aquart |
Aug-03-05 09:42 PM |
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That's how it's done in Spain. |
July |
Aug-05-05 07:43 AM |
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That's a great idea |
carnie_sf |
Aug-03-05 05:18 PM |
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You like java too eh... |
dhinojosa |
Aug-03-05 05:19 PM |
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Java & SQL.... no 'binary' code to hide in... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:20 PM |
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You are soooo correct.... |
dhinojosa |
Aug-03-05 05:34 PM |
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that's what the third copy (machine audit) is for.. |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:47 PM |
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I think a nomination of this post is good. kickin' |
Tiggeroshii |
Aug-03-05 05:21 PM |
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It's the exisitng companies who have the contracts and lobbyists. |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 05:23 PM |
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Not gonna happen if they won't sell (and you think they would), a new.. |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:25 PM |
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Sequioa was for sale several months ago, and |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-03-05 05:31 PM |
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There's a project in the works. |
skids |
Aug-03-05 05:24 PM |
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I would provide my services as well |
jsamuel |
Aug-03-05 05:24 PM |
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Maybe it would be safer if, instead of printing, it would output |
ArkDem |
Aug-03-05 05:27 PM |
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Geeze.. why didn't someone tell me I misspelled source in the 1st message |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:28 PM |
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Rosco, idea is good #2 choice if we cant get PAPR..CNTED PBHC |
oscar111 |
Aug-03-05 05:34 PM |
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Logjam's can be broken with $$$ |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:48 PM |
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#1 Choice to GENERATE THE PAPER BALLOTS... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 05:50 PM |
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It's even better: Printer and Scanner MUST match... Automatic recount! |
WhoWantsToBeOccupied |
Aug-03-05 11:14 PM |
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Release early and often... |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-03-05 08:25 PM |
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There are Some open Source voting Projects in the works |
mackdaddy |
Aug-03-05 05:48 PM |
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Both of these companies are doing good work. |
phiddle |
Aug-03-05 09:32 PM |
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Drive hardware cost to $0 with KNOPPIX-style bootable CD |
WhoWantsToBeOccupied |
Aug-03-05 11:38 PM |
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Another possibility, using automated counting equipment. |
Pobeka |
Aug-03-05 06:02 PM |
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Already done in Australia |
interupt |
Aug-03-05 07:41 PM |
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I'm told by an Australian correspondent of mine that paper ballots-- |
eridani |
Aug-03-05 08:15 PM |
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True |
interupt |
Aug-03-05 08:32 PM |
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Not in America |
kster |
Aug-04-05 01:57 AM |
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Give them companies one option |
kster |
Aug-03-05 08:15 PM |
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I like the idea. |
impeachdubya |
Aug-03-05 08:20 PM |
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there already is one: |
garybeck |
Aug-03-05 08:53 PM |
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Roscoe T, I like your thinking! Let's sell it to the country, |
babylonsister |
Aug-03-05 08:54 PM |
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absolutely |
foo_bar |
Aug-03-05 08:57 PM |
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YES! (Beats my donut eating contest idea I had) |
O.M.B.inOhio |
Aug-03-05 09:09 PM |
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The automated teller machine at my bank is made by Liebold...and I bet |
grannylib |
Aug-03-05 09:16 PM |
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another open source idea - voter registration analysis software |
boddhi |
Aug-03-05 09:21 PM |
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Good work, Roscoe! Nominated |
Husb2Sparkly |
Aug-03-05 09:33 PM |
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can it be battery operated???? |
MissWaverly |
Aug-03-05 09:39 PM |
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Just stick them on a 60 minute UPS and 'power blackouts' no loger matter. |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 11:25 PM |
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It has to be inside the machine |
MissWaverly |
Aug-04-05 05:08 PM |
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You need a buttload of money to |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-03-05 09:56 PM |
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you just have to underbid the competition (by a lot) |
foo_bar |
Aug-03-05 11:09 PM |
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if we had to, make it a $100 machine, lose money.. save democracy. n/m |
Rosco T. |
Aug-03-05 11:27 PM |
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Why not pursue something like the TRUVOTE SYSTEM OF ATHAN GIBBS? |
Nothing Without Hope |
Aug-03-05 10:03 PM |
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I don't like the under plexiglass idea. |
Festivito |
Aug-04-05 05:34 AM |
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How do you prove that the published source code is what actually runs on |
satya |
Aug-04-05 01:32 AM |
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Simply put.. MD5 |
Rosco T. |
Aug-04-05 02:25 AM |
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Thanks for the explanation;brings back memories of writing code to compute |
satya |
Aug-04-05 03:05 AM |
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Real simple way to sum the machines... you don't... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-04-05 03:20 AM |
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Why is there no simple paper backup when machines fail, or |
Festivito |
Aug-04-05 05:22 AM |
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David Chaum's solution - "Votegrity" a possible solution..... |
indigonation |
Aug-04-05 12:31 PM |
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We also need to have our own cnn or better yet - take over an existing one |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-04-05 01:54 PM |
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Sorry, Roscoe. We don't discuss solutions here at the DU |
rucky |
Aug-04-05 02:32 PM |
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we have |
helderheid |
Aug-04-05 02:36 PM |
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You managed to build a system, including monitor, for $300? |
Mairead |
Aug-05-05 06:55 AM |
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Not counting monitor... but I did just buy a Samsung 977 for $99. n/m |
Rosco T. |
Aug-05-05 05:05 PM |
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Some good ideas |
wtmusic |
Aug-05-05 09:43 AM |
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Bankrolls and MD5's... |
Rosco T. |
Aug-05-05 05:09 PM |
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Havent read all the posts.. |
Lannes |
Aug-05-05 05:13 PM |
#116 |
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