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Tue Aug-02-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #61 |
| 63. I have no interest in playing the label game. |
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Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 12:30 PM by K-W
Your argument that an economy controlled by the wealthy is in line with liberalism or the philosophers you mention is absurd.
I never suggested you had to be socialist. I dont know why you feel the need to resort to such rhetorical nonsense.
If you were a liberal, you would support a democratized economy, not an economy controlled by wealthy elites.
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| -Is it time to nationalize certain industries? |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 09:34 AM |
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I think all industries should be nationalized. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 09:43 AM |
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Yeah, this has worked so well in the nations that tried it. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 09:51 AM |
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Nobody wants your sympathy. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 10:08 AM |
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Touche` |
Blue State Native |
Aug-02-05 10:11 AM |
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You're the one standing in the way of progress. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 10:16 AM |
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The reason the right is able to smear the left |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 10:26 AM |
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Democratic-republican governance doesn't require destroying capitalism. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 10:46 AM |
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Huh? |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:00 AM |
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Name the western nations that don't have capitalist economies. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 11:06 AM |
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There are no pure capitalist economies. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:16 AM |
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Cuba is one of the few economies that has nationalized most business. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 11:40 AM |
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So you want to generalize all nationalism together. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:49 AM |
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but what happens when the national systems we currently have |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 01:54 PM |
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The nation isnt the federal government, the nation is we the people. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:01 PM |
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still, someone actually runs it, right? |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 02:05 PM |
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I dont know that one person should run anything. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:16 PM |
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I have to say I am confused.. |
KC_25 |
Aug-02-05 03:49 PM |
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Indeed. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 04:02 PM |
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f you say so..but |
KC_25 |
Aug-02-05 05:27 PM |
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You are missing the point. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 06:38 PM |
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It may well lay the golden egg |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 04:09 PM |
#132 |
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Whether there is a currently |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 11:08 AM |
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eallen is appealing to history, not theory |
leftofthedial |
Aug-02-05 11:06 AM |
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Yep. Capitalism is dynamic & constantly improving its business processes. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 11:16 AM |
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bullshit. capitalism is constantly improving only one thing |
leftofthedial |
Aug-02-05 11:20 AM |
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Ah. That must explain why things have changed so little. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 11:43 AM |
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a couple of depressions every century |
leftofthedial |
Aug-02-05 05:17 PM |
#133 |
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Liberalism does not mean economic control by the wealthy. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:25 AM |
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And the liberal nations without a capitalist economy are...? |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 11:46 AM |
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You are using the term "liberal" in a way that spits in history's face. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:53 AM |
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Nay. I use it in tradition of Locke, Jefferson, Dewey, and Rawls. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 12:21 PM |
#61 |
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I have no interest in playing the label game. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:30 PM |
#63 |
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That means most liberals in modern history weren't liberal in your view. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 12:46 PM |
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You think those people supported the inequality of wealth? |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:50 PM |
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Capitalism guarantees inequality of wealth. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 01:05 PM |
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Its funny you should mention logic. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 01:13 PM |
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My claims are quite different from what you try to make them. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 01:26 PM |
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I guess you are right, you never even tried to prove your claims. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 01:40 PM |
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Which of those liberals did not support capitalism? |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 02:12 PM |
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You have provided no evidence that they support it. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:23 PM |
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Capitalism is codified |
sintax |
Aug-02-05 02:17 PM |
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You set up a strawman argument |
Selatius |
Aug-02-05 11:47 AM |
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The libertarian socialists and right-wing libertarian share a fallacy. |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 12:14 PM |
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It's not a fallacy, at least in my opinion |
Selatius |
Aug-02-05 01:47 PM |
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What is the difference between you and the right-wing anarchist? |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 02:24 PM |
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The issue is education |
Selatius |
Aug-02-05 08:05 PM |
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"Government" and "people" are different things... |
Darranar |
Aug-02-05 01:00 PM |
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I generally support what you say |
Selatius |
Aug-02-05 01:48 PM |
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We have a 100% managed economy. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:35 AM |
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as a whole it is not managed |
leftofthedial |
Aug-02-05 05:30 PM |
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Yes it is. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 06:48 PM |
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I agree, Democratise the Economy. Right now a super-minority controls... |
JanMichael |
Aug-02-05 11:03 AM |
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Ridiculous |
Emendator |
Aug-02-05 02:24 PM |
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You think self government is rediculous? EOM |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:37 PM |
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What you advocate |
Emendator |
Aug-02-05 02:53 PM |
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Actually self government is the only thing I have advocated. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:56 PM |
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So, you want Bush and Congress in charge of your automobile insurance? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-02-05 09:49 AM |
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No, I want the auto insurance agent who tried to convince me... |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 09:58 AM |
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You think that Bush and Congress would give you a more fair deal? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-02-05 12:03 PM |
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Bush and Congress won't give me a more fair deal... |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 12:58 PM |
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So, nationalizing the industry would not make things better |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-02-05 01:10 PM |
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Sure, once we got corporate influence out of government... |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 01:25 PM |
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Bush will be in charge for the next 3 1/2 years |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-02-05 01:51 PM |
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Not if democratic principles are adhered to... |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 02:26 PM |
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I don't think you'll have to worry about Bush nationalizing anything... |
marmar |
Aug-02-05 09:59 AM |
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All corporations are supposed to be public corporations. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 10:17 AM |
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I agree with Freddie |
Thrasybulus |
Aug-02-05 10:18 AM |
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I can't speak for the OP... |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-02-05 03:44 PM |
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Only the bankrupt or corrupt ones. Oops, that's all of them. lol |
Joanne98 |
Aug-02-05 10:16 AM |
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The question is - under what form? |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 10:21 AM |
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"In short they should be democratic servants of the people." |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 10:48 AM |
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Auto insurance is a necessity, but autos are not? |
eallen |
Aug-02-05 10:58 AM |
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I lived in Europe for a few months... |
KansDem |
Aug-02-05 12:50 PM |
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Why shouldn't everyone decide |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 10:58 AM |
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In a word, no. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 11:07 AM |
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Thanks for adding your voice of reason. |
rockymountaindem |
Aug-02-05 11:16 AM |
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Capitalism works? |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 11:23 AM |
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Hmmmm, Soviet Russia fell iafter decades of communist rule |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 11:26 AM |
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It's worked splendidly in Haiti and a whole lot of other places like... |
JanMichael |
Aug-02-05 12:32 PM |
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Did you bother to read |
julianer |
Aug-02-05 03:57 PM |
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Yeah,it's working out great. |
Algorem |
Aug-02-05 11:26 AM |
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It sure is, our capitalist system for the first time in history |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 11:27 AM |
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MMMM!Kool Aid! |
Algorem |
Aug-02-05 11:36 AM |
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Sounds to me like you're sure drinking it. |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 11:38 AM |
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Walt, all of your posts here are based on vast oversimplifications |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:32 AM |
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Okay, name an industry that would be better served by the government |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 11:37 AM |
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You are still just making broad generalizations. EOM |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 11:45 AM |
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Answer the question. n/t |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 12:21 PM |
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Give me a question that isnt based on broad generlizations. EOM |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:32 PM |
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can you one industry that can be run better by the government, and if so |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 12:38 PM |
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That is the same question. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:42 PM |
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Oh, I getcha |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 12:49 PM |
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No, I cant answer a meaningless question. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:52 PM |
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WTF was meaningless about it? |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 12:56 PM |
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As I already explained, it was based on generalizations |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 01:07 PM |
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Then the discussion ends here |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 01:08 PM |
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So you are only capable of discussing broad generalizations? |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 01:15 PM |
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Numerous public utilities have been successfully government run |
wuushew |
Aug-02-05 05:58 PM |
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wow, what a thoughtful and reasoned response.... |
antfarm |
Aug-02-05 12:25 PM |
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Last time I checked, |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:34 PM |
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A couple |
idlisambar |
Aug-02-05 12:38 PM |
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I would maintain that an increased competiveness in both |
Walt Starr |
Aug-02-05 01:06 PM |
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on what basis |
idlisambar |
Aug-02-05 01:27 PM |
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I'll quibble there |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 02:02 PM |
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Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-02-05 05:33 PM |
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Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-02-05 05:33 PM |
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I always thought extraction industries, and that includes oil, should |
Cleita |
Aug-02-05 11:22 AM |
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nationalize the housing stock and farms |
Mr.Green93 |
Aug-02-05 11:25 AM |
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Yes, Including Airlines |
cryingshame |
Aug-02-05 11:26 AM |
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I think it's long past time. |
redqueen |
Aug-02-05 11:34 AM |
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look at the countries which have tried this |
bigtree |
Aug-02-05 11:35 AM |
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To speak of giving republicans heartburn... |
tokenlib |
Aug-02-05 11:40 AM |
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Middle ground. |
iconoclastNYC |
Aug-02-05 11:45 AM |
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Place industry under control of a corrupt government? How would that help? |
rman |
Aug-02-05 11:56 AM |
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Compared to corporations, |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:00 PM |
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You've got to be kidding. |
rman |
Aug-02-05 12:04 PM |
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Umm. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 12:10 PM |
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You are right in principal; corporations are completely undemocratic |
rman |
Aug-02-05 12:48 PM |
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there are many corporations |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 02:14 PM |
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Wow. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:34 PM |
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so anyone who owns stock is a plutocrat? |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 02:44 PM |
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I think you know full well who the plutocrats are. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 02:47 PM |
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of course not |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 02:58 PM |
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So in your reality corporate america is controlled by workers? |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 03:01 PM |
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no, it's controlled, for the most part |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 03:24 PM |
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So you oppose democracy... |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 03:29 PM |
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no, I am arguing for representative democracy |
northzax |
Aug-02-05 03:40 PM |
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It looked to me like you were arguing for corporate control. |
K-W |
Aug-02-05 04:03 PM |
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Obviously. n/t |
Zorra |
Aug-02-05 12:00 PM |
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Yes |
The Revolution |
Aug-02-05 12:07 PM |
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It's past time to nationalize the defense industry |
jmowreader |
Aug-02-05 12:54 PM |
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Sure, let's let the government run everything! |
Redstone |
Aug-02-05 01:10 PM |
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How about us BE the Governement and the Governement BE us? |
JanMichael |
Aug-02-05 01:54 PM |
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what's your point? |
idlisambar |
Aug-02-05 03:25 PM |
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Energy should be nationalized nt |
TWiley |
Aug-02-05 02:28 PM |
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I'd agree with health insurance, medical care, and utilities. |
livinginphotographs |
Aug-02-05 02:40 PM |
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Road Construction |
SlipperySlope |
Aug-02-05 03:08 PM |
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Since roads are publicly funded |
djohnson |
Aug-02-05 03:33 PM |
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No - a lot of construction is done by private contractors. |
SlipperySlope |
Aug-02-05 03:38 PM |
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Healthcare definitely |
djohnson |
Aug-02-05 03:31 PM |
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Deregulation has been a big source of our problems |
Lannes |
Aug-02-05 03:36 PM |
#124 |
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Capitalism and "free" markets are to economies |
leftofthedial |
Aug-02-05 05:31 PM |
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Nationalize???? |
whosinpower |
Aug-02-05 06:08 PM |
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Just a note on your higher taxes |
djohnson |
Aug-03-05 09:10 AM |
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