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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 11:34 AM
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37. I think it's long past time.
Not to say that these industries should be 100% public... but there should be a public version to counterbalance the private interests.
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  -Is it time to nationalize certain industries? KansDem  Aug-02-05 09:34 AM   #0 
  - I think all industries should be nationalized.  K-W   Aug-02-05 09:43 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, this has worked so well in the nations that tried it.  eallen   Aug-02-05 09:51 AM   #3 
  - Nobody wants your sympathy.  K-W   Aug-02-05 10:08 AM   #6 
     - Touche`  Blue State Native   Aug-02-05 10:11 AM   #7 
     - You're the one standing in the way of progress.  eallen   Aug-02-05 10:16 AM   #9 
     - The reason the right is able to smear the left  K-W   Aug-02-05 10:26 AM   #13 
        - Democratic-republican governance doesn't require destroying capitalism.  eallen   Aug-02-05 10:46 AM   #14 
           - Huh?  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:00 AM   #18 
           - Name the western nations that don't have capitalist economies.  eallen   Aug-02-05 11:06 AM   #21 
              - There are no pure capitalist economies.  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:16 AM   #26 
                 - Cuba is one of the few economies that has nationalized most business.  eallen   Aug-02-05 11:40 AM   #44 
                    - So you want to generalize all nationalism together.  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:49 AM   #50 
                    - but what happens when the national systems we currently have  northzax   Aug-02-05 01:54 PM   #95 
                    - The nation isnt the federal government, the nation is we the people.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:01 PM   #97 
                       - still, someone actually runs it, right?  northzax   Aug-02-05 02:05 PM   #99 
                          - I dont know that one person should run anything.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:16 PM   #102 
                    - I have to say I am confused..  KC_25   Aug-02-05 03:49 PM   #128 
                       - Indeed.  K-W   Aug-02-05 04:02 PM   #130 
                          - f you say so..but  KC_25   Aug-02-05 05:27 PM   #134 
                             - You are missing the point.  K-W   Aug-02-05 06:38 PM   #141 
                    - It may well lay the golden egg  julianer   Aug-02-05 04:09 PM   #132 
           - Whether there is a currently  julianer   Aug-02-05 11:08 AM   #23 
     - eallen is appealing to history, not theory  leftofthedial   Aug-02-05 11:06 AM   #20 
        - Yep. Capitalism is dynamic & constantly improving its business processes.  eallen   Aug-02-05 11:16 AM   #25 
        - bullshit. capitalism is constantly improving only one thing  leftofthedial   Aug-02-05 11:20 AM   #27 
        - Ah. That must explain why things have changed so little.  eallen   Aug-02-05 11:43 AM   #45 
           - a couple of depressions every century  leftofthedial   Aug-02-05 05:17 PM   #133 
        - Liberalism does not mean economic control by the wealthy.  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:25 AM   #31 
        - And the liberal nations without a capitalist economy are...?  eallen   Aug-02-05 11:46 AM   #48 
           - You are using the term "liberal" in a way that spits in history's face.  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:53 AM   #51 
              - Nay. I use it in tradition of Locke, Jefferson, Dewey, and Rawls.  eallen   Aug-02-05 12:21 PM   #61 
                 - I have no interest in playing the label game.  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:30 PM   #63 
                    - That means most liberals in modern history weren't liberal in your view.  eallen   Aug-02-05 12:46 PM   #70 
                       - You think those people supported the inequality of wealth?  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:50 PM   #73 
                          - Capitalism guarantees inequality of wealth.  eallen   Aug-02-05 01:05 PM   #80 
                             - Its funny you should mention logic.  K-W   Aug-02-05 01:13 PM   #86 
                             - My claims are quite different from what you try to make them.  eallen   Aug-02-05 01:26 PM   #89 
                                - I guess you are right, you never even tried to prove your claims.  K-W   Aug-02-05 01:40 PM   #91 
                                   - Which of those liberals did not support capitalism?  eallen   Aug-02-05 02:12 PM   #100 
                                      - You have provided no evidence that they support it.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:23 PM   #104 
                             - Capitalism is codified  sintax   Aug-02-05 02:17 PM   #103 
        - You set up a strawman argument  Selatius   Aug-02-05 11:47 AM   #49 
        - The libertarian socialists and right-wing libertarian share a fallacy.  eallen   Aug-02-05 12:14 PM   #59 
           - It's not a fallacy, at least in my opinion  Selatius   Aug-02-05 01:47 PM   #92 
              - What is the difference between you and the right-wing anarchist?  eallen   Aug-02-05 02:24 PM   #105 
                 - The issue is education  Selatius   Aug-02-05 08:05 PM   #143 
        - "Government" and "people" are different things...  Darranar   Aug-02-05 01:00 PM   #79 
           - I generally support what you say  Selatius   Aug-02-05 01:48 PM   #93 
        - We have a 100% managed economy.  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:35 AM   #39 
           - as a whole it is not managed  leftofthedial   Aug-02-05 05:30 PM   #135 
              - Yes it is.  K-W   Aug-02-05 06:48 PM   #142 
  - I agree, Democratise the Economy. Right now a super-minority controls...  JanMichael   Aug-02-05 11:03 AM   #19 
  - Ridiculous  Emendator   Aug-02-05 02:24 PM   #106 
     - You think self government is rediculous? EOM  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:37 PM   #110 
        - What you advocate  Emendator   Aug-02-05 02:53 PM   #114 
           - Actually self government is the only thing I have advocated.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:56 PM   #115 
  - So, you want Bush and Congress in charge of your automobile insurance?  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-02-05 09:49 AM   #2 
  - No, I want the auto insurance agent who tried to convince me...  KansDem   Aug-02-05 09:58 AM   #4 
  - You think that Bush and Congress would give you a more fair deal?  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-02-05 12:03 PM   #55 
     - Bush and Congress won't give me a more fair deal...  KansDem   Aug-02-05 12:58 PM   #78 
        - So, nationalizing the industry would not make things better  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-02-05 01:10 PM   #84 
           - Sure, once we got corporate influence out of government...  KansDem   Aug-02-05 01:25 PM   #88 
              - Bush will be in charge for the next 3 1/2 years  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-02-05 01:51 PM   #94 
                 - Not if democratic principles are adhered to...  KansDem   Aug-02-05 02:26 PM   #107 
  - I don't think you'll have to worry about Bush nationalizing anything...  marmar   Aug-02-05 09:59 AM   #5 
  - All corporations are supposed to be public corporations.  K-W   Aug-02-05 10:17 AM   #10 
  - I agree with Freddie  Thrasybulus   Aug-02-05 10:18 AM   #11 
  - I can't speak for the OP...  Telly Savalas   Aug-02-05 03:44 PM   #127 
  - Only the bankrupt or corrupt ones. Oops, that's all of them. lol  Joanne98   Aug-02-05 10:16 AM   #8 
  - The question is - under what form?  julianer   Aug-02-05 10:21 AM   #12 
  - "In short they should be democratic servants of the people."  KansDem   Aug-02-05 10:48 AM   #15 
     - Auto insurance is a necessity, but autos are not?  eallen   Aug-02-05 10:58 AM   #16 
     - I lived in Europe for a few months...  KansDem   Aug-02-05 12:50 PM   #74 
     - Why shouldn't everyone decide  julianer   Aug-02-05 10:58 AM   #17 
  - In a word, no.  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 11:07 AM   #22 
  - Thanks for adding your voice of reason.  rockymountaindem   Aug-02-05 11:16 AM   #24 
  - Capitalism works?  julianer   Aug-02-05 11:23 AM   #29 
  - Hmmmm, Soviet Russia fell iafter decades of communist rule  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 11:26 AM   #34 
     - It's worked splendidly in Haiti and a whole lot of other places like...  JanMichael   Aug-02-05 12:32 PM   #65 
     - Did you bother to read  julianer   Aug-02-05 03:57 PM   #129 
  - Yeah,it's working out great.  Algorem   Aug-02-05 11:26 AM   #33 
  - It sure is, our capitalist system for the first time in history  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 11:27 AM   #35 
     - MMMM!Kool Aid!  Algorem   Aug-02-05 11:36 AM   #40 
        - Sounds to me like you're sure drinking it.  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 11:38 AM   #42 
  - Walt, all of your posts here are based on vast oversimplifications  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:32 AM   #36 
     - Okay, name an industry that would be better served by the government  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 11:37 AM   #41 
        - You are still just making broad generalizations. EOM  K-W   Aug-02-05 11:45 AM   #46 
        - Answer the question. n/t  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 12:21 PM   #60 
        - Give me a question that isnt based on broad generlizations. EOM  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:32 PM   #64 
           - can you one industry that can be run better by the government, and if so  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 12:38 PM   #67 
              - That is the same question.  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:42 PM   #69 
              - Oh, I getcha  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 12:49 PM   #72 
                 - No, I cant answer a meaningless question.  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:52 PM   #75 
                    - WTF was meaningless about it?  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 12:56 PM   #77 
                       - As I already explained, it was based on generalizations  K-W   Aug-02-05 01:07 PM   #82 
                          - Then the discussion ends here  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 01:08 PM   #83 
                             - So you are only capable of discussing broad generalizations?  K-W   Aug-02-05 01:15 PM   #87 
              - Numerous public utilities have been successfully government run  wuushew   Aug-02-05 05:58 PM   #139 
        - wow, what a thoughtful and reasoned response....  antfarm   Aug-02-05 12:25 PM   #62 
           - Last time I checked,  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:34 PM   #66 
        - A couple  idlisambar   Aug-02-05 12:38 PM   #68 
        - I would maintain that an increased competiveness in both  Walt Starr   Aug-02-05 01:06 PM   #81 
           - on what basis  idlisambar   Aug-02-05 01:27 PM   #90 
        - I'll quibble there  northzax   Aug-02-05 02:02 PM   #98 
        - Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-02-05 05:33 PM   #137 
        - Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-02-05 05:33 PM   #138 
  - I always thought extraction industries, and that includes oil, should  Cleita   Aug-02-05 11:22 AM   #28 
  - nationalize the housing stock and farms  Mr.Green93   Aug-02-05 11:25 AM   #30 
  - Yes, Including Airlines  cryingshame   Aug-02-05 11:26 AM   #32 
  - I think it's long past time.  redqueen   Aug-02-05 11:34 AM   #37 
  - look at the countries which have tried this  bigtree   Aug-02-05 11:35 AM   #38 
  - To speak of giving republicans heartburn...  tokenlib   Aug-02-05 11:40 AM   #43 
  - Middle ground.  iconoclastNYC   Aug-02-05 11:45 AM   #47 
  - Place industry under control of a corrupt government? How would that help?  rman   Aug-02-05 11:56 AM   #52 
  - Compared to corporations,  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:00 PM   #53 
     - You've got to be kidding.  rman   Aug-02-05 12:04 PM   #56 
        - Umm.  K-W   Aug-02-05 12:10 PM   #58 
           - You are right in principal; corporations are completely undemocratic  rman   Aug-02-05 12:48 PM   #71 
           - there are many corporations  northzax   Aug-02-05 02:14 PM   #101 
              - Wow.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:34 PM   #109 
                 - so anyone who owns stock is a plutocrat?  northzax   Aug-02-05 02:44 PM   #112 
                    - I think you know full well who the plutocrats are.  K-W   Aug-02-05 02:47 PM   #113 
                       - of course not  northzax   Aug-02-05 02:58 PM   #116 
                          - So in your reality corporate america is controlled by workers?  K-W   Aug-02-05 03:01 PM   #117 
                             - no, it's controlled, for the most part  northzax   Aug-02-05 03:24 PM   #119 
                                - So you oppose democracy...  K-W   Aug-02-05 03:29 PM   #121 
                                   - no, I am arguing for representative democracy  northzax   Aug-02-05 03:40 PM   #126 
                                      - It looked to me like you were arguing for corporate control.  K-W   Aug-02-05 04:03 PM   #131 
  - Obviously. n/t  Zorra   Aug-02-05 12:00 PM   #54 
  - Yes  The Revolution   Aug-02-05 12:07 PM   #57 
  - It's past time to nationalize the defense industry  jmowreader   Aug-02-05 12:54 PM   #76 
  - Sure, let's let the government run everything!  Redstone   Aug-02-05 01:10 PM   #85 
  - How about us BE the Governement and the Governement BE us?  JanMichael   Aug-02-05 01:54 PM   #96 
  - what's your point?  idlisambar   Aug-02-05 03:25 PM   #120 
  - Energy should be nationalized nt  TWiley   Aug-02-05 02:28 PM   #108 
  - I'd agree with health insurance, medical care, and utilities.  livinginphotographs   Aug-02-05 02:40 PM   #111 
  - Road Construction  SlipperySlope   Aug-02-05 03:08 PM   #118 
  - Since roads are publicly funded  djohnson   Aug-02-05 03:33 PM   #123 
     - No - a lot of construction is done by private contractors.  SlipperySlope   Aug-02-05 03:38 PM   #125 
  - Healthcare definitely  djohnson   Aug-02-05 03:31 PM   #122 
  - Deregulation has been a big source of our problems  Lannes   Aug-02-05 03:36 PM   #124 
  - Capitalism and "free" markets are to economies  leftofthedial   Aug-02-05 05:31 PM   #136 
  - Nationalize????  whosinpower   Aug-02-05 06:08 PM   #140 
     - Just a note on your higher taxes  djohnson   Aug-03-05 09:10 AM   #144 
 

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