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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 03:40 AM
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15. But AP....campaigns here are nothing like in the States....
no huge media blitzes etc....just a few posters around town is about it. Perhaps one series of state-paid debates right before elections.

People voted in a Center-Right government because they were most disastisifed with 8 years of Labor.....and getting more worried about the influx of Muslim immigrants who do seem more unwilling to assimilate as well as other groups.
(But because of the economy and this government's cutbacks, polls show that people would now vote to get labor back......fickle, these Dutchmen! :-))

Right wing parties might have latched onto this issue, but I think Imajika's view of the situation is right on the mark.

Add to this the population density of this country compared to others....the many social problems are difficult to ignore.

Since they are the most visible group here (with women's head covers), the fastest growing group as well.....through immigration, family unifying policies, and birthrates, the Dutch are not too pleased.

Perhaps because most Muslims here come from very conservative villages (farmers) they are more reluctant to assimilate in the super-modern/super liberal society here, but the contrast is enormous, and the Dutch do not want their civil liberties, principles of law and order, and very liberal social policies weakened by extreme conservative ones, many based on Islamic laws.

They are suspicious about where this could lead to in future - being a democracy.


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  -Wasn't the Netherlands considered a paragon of tolerance? _Jumper_  Sep-27-03 11:34 PM   #0 
  - Perhaps you might try living  Rowdyboy   Sep-27-03 11:41 PM   #1 
  - The Netherlands is a VERY SMALL country. The impact  LittleApple81   Sep-27-03 11:44 PM   #2 
  - Do you live in California?  frisco   Sep-27-03 11:47 PM   #3 
  - What ethnicity are you?  _Jumper_   Sep-27-03 11:48 PM   #5 
     - I do not count as the family were all English or few Scots.  izzie   Sep-28-03 07:53 AM   #20 
  - Muslims are just 3% of the population there  _Jumper_   Sep-27-03 11:47 PM   #4 
  - it's more like 50% in many big cities  rman   Sep-28-03 07:59 AM   #26 
     - 3% is the CIA number  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:57 PM   #43 
  - 40 miles in some places from border to border.  izzie   Sep-28-03 07:47 AM   #18 
  - i live there, i see no stones being lobbed  rman   Sep-28-03 07:57 AM   #25 
  - i agree  Kamika   Sep-28-03 08:31 AM   #29 
     - Absolutely, Kamika.....  DemEx_pat   Sep-28-03 10:07 AM   #31 
     - Read what you said  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:47 PM   #36 
        - yes, but it's partially true  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-28-03 03:10 PM   #48 
           - I didn't dispute that  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 03:38 PM   #52 
              - but just calling them xenophobes doesn't address their concerns  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-28-03 03:44 PM   #54 
                 - I agree  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 03:46 PM   #55 
                 - The US military is one of the most successfully integrated institutions  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-28-03 04:13 PM   #57 
                    - I think she means social integration  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 04:16 PM   #59 
                 - About affirmative action  Kamika   Sep-28-03 04:07 PM   #56 
                    - Those were exteremists  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 04:14 PM   #58 
                    - They arent sub societies  Kamika   Sep-28-03 04:22 PM   #61 
                       - Then you are just stereotyping  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 04:27 PM   #63 
                    - I think you're wrong  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-28-03 04:18 PM   #60 
                       - i know this  Kamika   Sep-28-03 04:24 PM   #62 
                          - Don't you realize that you sound just like Buchanan and co.?????????  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 04:28 PM   #64 
                          - okay  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-28-03 04:33 PM   #65 
  - Well...  Imajika   Sep-28-03 12:08 AM   #6 
  - The Netherlands is a special case, though  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 12:23 AM   #7 
  - Jumper  Imajika   Sep-28-03 12:42 AM   #8 
     - It is true to an extent  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:45 PM   #35 
        - Then we should kick out all those Native Americans from the US who never  AP   Sep-28-03 02:49 PM   #38 
           - Don't forget Hispanics and African-Americans  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:52 PM   #40 
  - You are right.  izzie   Sep-28-03 07:54 AM   #21 
  - America Is As Racist As Any Nation  QERTY   Sep-28-03 08:27 AM   #28 
     - What is this based on?  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:48 PM   #37 
  - This story is from Feb, 2002, and Fortuyn has since been killed...  Paschall   Sep-28-03 01:15 AM   #9 
  - Did I mention that the List Pim Fortuyn  Paschall   Sep-28-03 03:08 AM   #13 
     - So what?  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:53 PM   #42 
  - The Netherlands has very lax business laws (most American companies  AP   Sep-28-03 01:22 AM   #10 
  - But AP....campaigns here are nothing like in the States....  DemEx_pat   Sep-28-03 03:40 AM   #15 
     - I stand by my theory.  AP   Sep-28-03 10:01 AM   #30 
        - I think that a large % of the Dutch have anti-immigrant sympathies now  DemEx_pat   Sep-28-03 10:19 AM   #32 
           - Holland wouldn't be what it is today if not for liberals helping business  AP   Sep-28-03 10:35 AM   #33 
              - I appreciate your ideas....and they surely have some merit  DemEx_pat   Sep-28-03 10:50 AM   #34 
  - Whoa - that is quite surprising... It WAS one of the most liberal  janekat   Sep-28-03 01:36 AM   #11 
  - The Dutch shouldn't tolerate the intolerant  screaming_meme   Sep-28-03 02:00 AM   #12 
  - Please use <sarcasism> tags unless purposesly trying to be racist  wuushew   Sep-28-03 03:27 AM   #14 
     - Grain of Truth  REP   Sep-28-03 05:28 AM   #16 
     - What is a sarcasism tag?  izzie   Sep-28-03 07:56 AM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-03 05:32 AM   #17 
  - Since you consider Stalin a Liberal  Bridget Burke   Sep-28-03 07:51 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-03 07:54 AM   #22 
  - Only a racist would care about that  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 02:49 PM   #39 
  - tolerance is required in the face of lack of respect  rman   Sep-28-03 07:56 AM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-03 08:18 AM   #27 
  - I always thought that it was tolerance of drugs and sex  im4edwards   Sep-28-03 02:53 PM   #41 
  - Yeah same thing here...  MrPrax   Sep-28-03 03:30 PM   #51 
     - true, for their size they're very wealthy. Very.  im4edwards   Sep-28-03 03:42 PM   #53 
  - Jumper, why are you so fascinated with these superificial fault lines in..  AP   Sep-28-03 02:57 PM   #44 
  - You do  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 03:04 PM   #45 
     - I probably do...  AP   Sep-28-03 03:06 PM   #46 
        - That isn't me  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 03:14 PM   #49 
  - What if large numbers of Southern Baptists moved to San Francisco  QC   Sep-28-03 03:07 PM   #47 
     - It isn't necessarily racist or anti-Muslim  _Jumper_   Sep-28-03 03:16 PM   #50 

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