Reply #12: attitudes like this

[Kalish]

and others on this thread are exactly why we lose...

The right wing wades into the thick of history and plants their flag on the very heart of our country, its founding, and our founders, and we just let them have them...calling them 'slave owners', etc....

Meanwhile they were people way ahead of their time, the liberals of their day; some so liberal on matters of religion they probably couldn't even get elected president these days; absolutely committed to science and art; and all around people we should be using to frame and bolster our arguments.

Instead we've abandoned them to the right wing, just like we abondoned the heart of our country to the right wing.

I guess all we can do is complian and whine and point fingers.

Fucking no one's perfect. But our founders and people like Thomas Jefferson were great men, and on the side of freedom and Democracy.

And Thomas Jefferson was personally opposed to slavery, even wanted to put into the Dec. of Ind., but at the time national unity was more important, otherwise the Revolution could not have been won. Afterwards as a legislator he also put forth a bill that would have abolished slavery in all the new territories, but withdrew it when he realized that the South would be up in arms. He was moving the country in the right direction on the issue. Once again, ahead of his times...