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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #142
152. "He was a general carrying out orders."
I don't think that works. The general commanding gives the orders. The means to the end is left up to that GOC, so if that person decides to use, say, saturation bombardment against sparse targets, the blood from the extensive 'collateral damage' is primarily on his/her hands, and only secondarily on the hands of his/her civilian bosses.
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  -Serious question: What are Clark's progressive accomplishments? FubarFly  Sep-27-03 03:06 PM   #0 
  - Repost of some simple questions for Clark that bear on this  fiziwig   Sep-27-03 03:09 PM   #1 
  - He's a four star general who decided to run as a democrat.  Solomon   Sep-28-03 12:25 AM   #110 
     - "those brave souls who have stepped forward on our behalf."  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:28 AM   #148 
  - more liberal than al sharpton  JI7   Sep-27-03 03:11 PM   #2 
  - the question was about "accomplishment" not "attitude"  dfong63   Sep-27-03 07:38 PM   #78 
  - Scaring the sh*t out of the entire Repug party n/t  MIMStigator   Sep-27-03 03:12 PM   #3 
  - Does that make Bin Laden a progressive too  JVS   Sep-27-03 03:14 PM   #4 
  - That was LOL funny  roughsatori   Sep-27-03 03:41 PM   #14 
  - good one...LOL!  tokenlib   Sep-27-03 03:18 PM   #5 
  - I LIKE that one a lot n/t  janekat   Sep-28-03 12:12 AM   #103 
  - Cool. This is a link to Cocoa's thread.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:24 PM   #6 
  - well, he has none.  KG   Sep-27-03 03:26 PM   #7 
  - The silence cetainly does seem damning.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:28 PM   #8 
     - Not really  union_maid   Sep-27-03 03:35 PM   #11 
     - Thanks for your honesty.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:39 PM   #13 
     - I believe the silence seems damning  Pastiche423   Sep-27-03 03:44 PM   #16 
        - Yup. That's my number #1 worry about Clark.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:55 PM   #21 
        - "Look at what he's *done*" sounds like a good test  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:35 AM   #149 
  - Even if he has none., an explanation would be nice.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:32 PM   #9 
  - Yes, he endorsed Cleland in 2002  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 03:48 PM   #19 
  - Human rights, cleaner energy  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 03:32 PM   #10 
  - Thank you.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:35 PM   #12 
  - This is the best I could find on short notice  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 03:42 PM   #15 
  - Thanks for taking the time to find the link.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:47 PM   #18 
  - I'd agree that standing by while people are killed is utterly dishonorable  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:40 AM   #151 
  - Does lobbying for the company whose board you sit on  roughsatori   Sep-27-03 03:45 PM   #17 
     - I'm going to use this thread as reference.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:49 PM   #20 
     - It's a little of both, of course, but . . .  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 04:05 PM   #28 
     - The same question came to my mind.  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:38 AM   #150 
  - #1 is very good in my book  Cocoa   Sep-27-03 04:03 PM   #26 
  - Here's one thing  sandnsea   Sep-27-03 03:55 PM   #22 
  - Excellent. Thank you.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:59 PM   #25 
     - I'm not for Clark  sandnsea   Sep-27-03 04:04 PM   #27 
        - I'm surprised thay haven't googled this stuff already.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:07 PM   #30 
  - He Lead The Camapign Against Ethnic Cleansing  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 03:55 PM   #23 
  - The motives for the Kosovo war are debatable.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 03:58 PM   #24 
  - I Don't Think The Indigenous Kosovars or Bosnians  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 04:06 PM   #29 
     - I am not trying to diminish Clark.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:09 PM   #31 
     - Ask the Serbs !! Clark was their Killer from the Air  JasonBerry   Sep-27-03 04:14 PM   #33 
     - LOL  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 04:34 PM   #43 
     - This is Fun!  RandomUser   Sep-27-03 04:53 PM   #48 
        - months ... nt  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 04:55 PM   #49 
           - Well, you've convinced me  RandomUser   Sep-27-03 05:02 PM   #52 
              - Jason's ok ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 05:07 PM   #53 
              - that was a smart or classy answer  lostnfound   Sep-28-03 06:09 AM   #141 
              - *sigh*  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 05:09 PM   #54 
                 - Apologies  RandomUser   Sep-27-03 05:20 PM   #58 
                 - now you've done it ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 05:28 PM   #60 
                    - Sorry you feel that way.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 05:40 PM   #62 
                       - sticking up for someone does not ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 05:51 PM   #66 
                       - The funny thing here is I was sticking up  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 04:08 AM   #129 
                       - For the record  RandomUser   Sep-27-03 07:03 PM   #74 
                          - Jason's biggest problem is that ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 07:46 PM   #80 
     - Clark Was Not Their Killer  Justice   Sep-28-03 06:16 AM   #142 
        - "He was a general carrying out orders."  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:53 AM   #152 
     - I don't think this thread is an attempt to "diminish Clark"  orangepeel68   Sep-27-03 04:19 PM   #36 
     - Yeah, this thread will help Clark if we take it seriously.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:21 PM   #37 
     - OK orangepeel :-) I found something for you  Clark Can WIN   Sep-27-03 11:17 PM   #92 
        - Thanks, Clark --  orangepeel68   Sep-27-03 11:23 PM   #93 
     - For debate on Kosovo, read Parenti's book 'To Kill A Nation'  lostnfound   Sep-28-03 06:06 AM   #140 
  - what do you mean when you call that progressive?  Cocoa   Sep-27-03 04:13 PM   #32 
     - My Fealty Is To Do Doing What Is Right  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 04:25 PM   #39 
        - well, I thought this thread was about the ideology  Cocoa   Sep-27-03 04:47 PM   #45 
  - he did volunteer work with inner-city kiddos ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 04:16 PM   #34 
  - Absolutely!  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:18 PM   #35 
     - ok  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 04:23 PM   #38 
        - Do you know what the program is called?  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:26 PM   #40 
           - nope ... nt  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 04:32 PM   #41 
           - This Is Like Final Exams  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 04:33 PM   #42 
              - Hehe. Sorry about that.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:37 PM   #44 
           - Well, if he graduated the Point in June, and was at Oxford in August  Mairead   Sep-28-03 10:58 AM   #153 
  - Thanks for asking the questions...  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-27-03 04:47 PM   #46 
  - More on the environment  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 04:48 PM   #47 
  - Good stuff.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 04:56 PM   #50 
     - Not so unique, actually!  Cleve Steamer   Sep-27-03 05:02 PM   #51 
  - If I was the teacher's aide in this class grading the paper...  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 05:16 PM   #55 
  - Right now it gets an "I" n/t  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 05:17 PM   #56 
  - not much on reading before grading?  Pepperbelly   Sep-27-03 05:18 PM   #57 
     - Didn't say there was nothing. There are two things basically.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 05:22 PM   #59 
        - What Are  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 05:42 PM   #64 
           - Besides passing or signing legislation?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 05:47 PM   #65 
              - How Much Legislation Did Grant, Eisenhower, Washington Pass  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 05:55 PM   #67 
                 - None.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 06:02 PM   #68 
                    - GW didn't have the opportunity to pass legislation  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 06:44 PM   #71 
                       - What are Clark's progressive accomplishments?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 06:49 PM   #72 
                          - His Best Progressive Accomplishment Is Yet To Come....  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 06:56 PM   #73 
                             - And that pretty much sums up this thread. n/t  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 07:07 PM   #75 
                                - Can You Think Of A Greater Progressive Accomplishment  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-03 07:32 PM   #77 
                                   - yeah, he could help Dean get elected  dfong63   Sep-27-03 07:45 PM   #79 
                                   - Yes. Something based in reality as opposed to speculation. n/t  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 09:14 PM   #81 
  - Well, I'm off to work now.  FubarFly   Sep-27-03 05:36 PM   #61 
  - He instituted...  Padraig18   Sep-27-03 05:42 PM   #63 
  - Hate to kick this thread  OKNancy   Sep-27-03 06:20 PM   #69 
     - No problem. This thread needs to be kicked.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 06:32 PM   #70 
     - Thank you  salin   Sep-27-03 07:24 PM   #76 
        - I am one of those people Salin.....  Flying_Pig   Sep-27-03 09:49 PM   #83 
           - Threads like these are good  salin   Sep-27-03 11:27 PM   #95 
  - Just so all the info gets accumulated, kick.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 09:33 PM   #82 
  - Implementing Child Care On Bases For Military Families  cryingshame   Sep-27-03 09:55 PM   #84 
  - Got a link?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 10:06 PM   #85 
     - It Was On CSpan Twice  cryingshame   Sep-27-03 10:13 PM   #86 
        - From the original post:  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 10:26 PM   #87 
           - HE ACTUALLY HELPED IMPLEMENT DAYCARE  cryingshame   Sep-27-03 10:28 PM   #88 
              - There was no Day Care before Clark?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 10:46 PM   #89 
                 - My Take- Which May Be Wrong  cryingshame   Sep-27-03 10:59 PM   #90 
  - This is a fine thread ...  familydoctor   Sep-27-03 11:04 PM   #91 
  - Start another thread please.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 11:24 PM   #94 
  - Here's a little something for you to chew on....  familydoctor   Sep-27-03 11:41 PM   #97 
     - What is more fair than asking for his accomplishments?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-27-03 11:57 PM   #98 
     - You are very good at assertions and generalising from insufficient data  Mairead   Sep-28-03 11:10 AM   #155 
  - yeah nice try  Cheswick   Sep-28-03 06:41 AM   #143 
     - Have to agree  JNelson6563   Sep-28-03 08:32 AM   #145 
     - Personally, I believe in the idea of a life of service then  familydoctor   Sep-28-03 09:28 AM   #147 
  - Uh - Clark was in the Military NOT a politician. Whaddya expect? n/t  janekat   Sep-27-03 11:34 PM   #96 
  - he's certainly a politician NOW eom  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:02 AM   #99 
     - For what, 13 days?  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:08 AM   #100 
        - Then upon what do we judge Mr. Clark?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:10 AM   #101 
        - His words.  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:17 AM   #104 
           - wow...you are taking this awfully personally  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:20 AM   #107 
           - I'm not taking it personally at all.  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:37 AM   #117 
           - I'm filthy rich.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:26 AM   #111 
              - Dean has said he is against the war.  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:47 AM   #121 
        - no accomplishments...  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:11 AM   #102 
        - No one assessed anything based on 13 days.  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:18 AM   #105 
        - i know...i don't know much about clark  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:24 AM   #109 
        - Why is it absurd?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:18 AM   #106 
           - actually, i don't expect him to have 'progressive' credentials  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:23 AM   #108 
           - List his centrist accomplishments then.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:29 AM   #112 
              - sorry...i can't help you with that either  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:32 AM   #114 
                 - If you want to state that he's dishonest, do so.  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:35 AM   #115 
                 - i don't know if is honest or dishonest...you claimed he is honest  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 12:37 AM   #118 
                 - Great.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:39 AM   #119 
                    - unfortunately...honesty, is this case, is not one of virtues  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 01:02 AM   #123 
           - When you know that history doesn't exist, it's strong evidence  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:29 AM   #113 
           - I'm not trying to convert you  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:37 AM   #116 
              - You are presuming I based my decision based on  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 12:45 AM   #120 
                 - Go with your feeling.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 12:51 AM   #122 
                    - I'm curious...  phegger   Sep-28-03 01:26 AM   #124 
                       - Yes.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-28-03 11:18 AM   #157 
                          - You went from stating that 'you think you understand the  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 02:19 PM   #160 
           - Sharpton has a political history as well  Mairead   Sep-28-03 11:14 AM   #156 
        - This thread is not a setup.  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 04:03 AM   #128 
           - The shoe dropped throughout the thread,  BillyBunter   Sep-28-03 04:33 AM   #133 
              - That wasn't my intent, although I was aware it might happen.  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 04:57 AM   #135 
  - What were YOUR progressive accomplishments  Buzzz   Sep-28-03 01:31 AM   #125 
  - If I was running for President I would be sure to tell you.  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 04:09 AM   #130 
  - i don't think the poster is running for president  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 04:21 AM   #132 
     - Aware yes, active no.  Buzzz   Sep-28-03 04:50 AM   #134 
        - For the purpose of this thread, progressive is a loose term.  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 05:01 AM   #136 
        - he was the NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, unlike the poster  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 05:09 AM   #137 
           - I don't have such a hard time.  Buzzz   Sep-28-03 05:38 AM   #139 
              - Great, that makes him very qualified to be a General  Cheswick   Sep-28-03 06:47 AM   #144 
                 - At this point...  Buzzz   Sep-28-03 09:02 AM   #146 
  - For your consideration  dralston   Sep-28-03 02:34 AM   #126 
     - I'm going to repost  sandnsea   Sep-28-03 02:56 AM   #127 
     - did you read these first?  noiretblu   Sep-28-03 05:18 AM   #138 
        - Of course  dralston   Sep-28-03 01:55 PM   #159 
     - This is beautiful. My enormous thanks.  FubarFly   Sep-28-03 04:21 AM   #131 
     - "hold nineteen democracies together while conducting 34,000 sorties"???  JohnOneillsMemory   Sep-28-03 11:00 AM   #154 
        - Clark is not for pacifists  dralston   Sep-28-03 01:45 PM   #158 
 

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