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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:48 AM
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125. I want to suggest something to anyone reading this:
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 12:56 AM by Bouncy Ball
This is a clever little thing, this.

1. Suggest that DUers compile a list of racist websites we should never link to, to "help" the moderators.

2. Then, when DUers insist that such a list is not necessary, start to complain that DUers are ok with racist websites. REALLY what they are saying is "we are adults, we are able to judge, and we have moderators who do that job, too, so where's the need?"

Set up straw man, knock him down.

But geek, you made a mistake. Right in the middle of the thread, when talking to snot, you admit that in GD or LBN, any thread linking to American Free Press is locked or deleted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

You also admit here and there that most other websites like that, when used here, are gotten rid of.

Here are more examples of geek admitting this isn't a problem:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

So essentially you admit this isn't a problem and the moderators do their jobs quite nicely.

I am only left to wonder why you want to set up the straw man of DUers being ok with racist websites.

Hmmmm.

And finally, all in one post, a lovely example of EXACTLY what I described:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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  -To help the admins and mods, list sources that are too crazy or racist geek tragedy  Jul-12-05 10:26 PM   #0 
  - fromthewilderness.com alternates between prescient and nuts.  iconoclastic cat   Jul-12-05 10:29 PM   #1 
  - That's part of the problem w/ blanket denunciation. n/t  Hissyspit   Jul-12-05 10:31 PM   #4 
     - For sites that are just plain nutty, I agree. There's the occasional  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:57 PM   #14 
        - Why don't you allow DU to make those decisions?  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-13-05 12:31 AM   #89 
           - This is to provide them a list of recommendations. They of course  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:33 AM   #92 
  - I don't know that I know of any. I'm usually pretty good about...  Hissyspit   Jul-12-05 10:29 PM   # 
  - The American Standard  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-12-05 10:29 PM   #2 
  - Even then - it can be interesting  bloom   Jul-12-05 11:09 PM   #20 
  - Newsmax? World Nut Daily?  CatholicEdHead   Jul-12-05 10:30 PM   #3 
  - Do people actually treat those sites as real news sources here?  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:33 PM   #7 
     - I've seen them used once or twice  Lone_Star_Dem   Jul-13-05 12:48 AM   #123 
        - Check out these numbers:  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:58 AM   #134 
           - Wow!  Lone_Star_Dem   Jul-13-05 01:01 AM   #139 
  - I assume the results will be compiled in . . .  snot   Jul-12-05 10:31 PM   #5 
  - Racist sites aren't allowed here, period. For instance, linking  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:33 PM   #6 
  - www.freerepublic.com  niceypoo   Jul-12-05 10:39 PM   #8 
  - The Free Republic is a source of entertainment, not news.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:41 PM   #9 
  - You're really serious about this????  starroute   Jul-12-05 10:42 PM   #10 
  - The sites I listed are all unacceptable sources in any decent conversation  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:45 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-05 11:04 PM   #17 
     - Racist and fascist sites have absolutely no business being treated  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:15 PM   #21 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-05 11:27 PM   #25 
           - Racist sites are already forbidden at DU. However, that hasn't  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:48 PM   #31 
           - ".... progressive minister of propaganda..."  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:16 AM   #58 
              - Why are people so opposed to the DU rule banning racist websites?  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:19 AM   #61 
                 - "Should "news" articles about gay marriage ...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #85 
                    - If you're writing it to mock the site, that's one thing.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:39 AM   #108 
                       - We have to prove intent...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:44 AM   #115 
                          - You Might Want To Read This, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jul-13-05 12:48 AM   #124 
                             - Thank you...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:54 AM   #133 
  - areyou doiong this at the requests of the admins?  notadmblnd   Jul-12-05 10:51 PM   #12 
  - They noted that they are discussing it. Why not be proactive?  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 10:53 PM   #13 
  - I'm glad to see aztlan.net on your list.  rockymountaindem   Jul-12-05 10:57 PM   #15 
  - Crazy and racist--not a great combination.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:01 PM   #16 
  - I don't think we should wait for disagreement - I think there should be  bloom   Jul-12-05 11:06 PM   #18 
  - Fair point. Here's proof for my list:  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:46 PM   #29 
     - Do you have anything current from WRH  bloom   Jul-13-05 12:04 AM   #45 
  - My faith in freedom of speech is whole, it is complete.  Bluebear   Jul-12-05 11:08 PM   #19 
  - Sadly, many members are completely unable to determine  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:16 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-05 11:30 PM   #26 
  - Racist sites are already forbidden at DU. This is a list of sites that  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:46 PM   #30 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-13-05 12:04 AM   #46 
     - Not wanting Nazi filth at a progressive website is like being a Nazi?  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:09 AM   #48 
  - exactly !  hiley   Jul-13-05 12:36 AM   #99 
  - lol  bpilgrim   Jul-12-05 11:53 PM   #35 
     - My goal is to prevent the far-right from infiltrating progressive circles.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:54 PM   #37 
        - same as it ever was, eh  bpilgrim   Jul-12-05 11:58 PM   #42 
        - They sure as hell infiltrated a move on meeting tonight see my post on  lonestarnot   Jul-13-05 12:37 AM   #101 
           - Do you have a link? eom  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:38 AM   #104 
              - No I don't because I don't know how to link stuff.... LOL  lonestarnot   Jul-13-05 12:51 AM   #128 
                 - At least tell me the forum. Doh! eom  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 01:01 AM   #140 
  - I'm completely with you, Bluebear. nt  snot   Jul-12-05 11:41 PM   #28 
  - Again, I'm trying to point out sites that ALREADY VIOLATE DU RULES.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:51 PM   #34 
     - IF THEY ALREADY VIOLATE DU RULES  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:13 AM   #53 
     - I respect  snot   Jul-13-05 12:26 AM   #73 
        - I'm just trying to make the rules clearer--they're already there.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:33 AM   #91 
           - Maybe you can help me out . . .  snot   Jul-13-05 12:40 AM   #109 
              - He's just trying to be able to say  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:43 AM   #114 
              - That's part of the problem. It's policy and rules, but not spelled out  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:44 AM   #116 
                 - Well, then, it sounds to me like we don't have a problem.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:45 AM   #119 
  - Thank you for the vote...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:19 AM   #63 
  - I agree.  atommom   Jul-13-05 12:29 AM   #78 
  - What really happened has a lot of useful stuff--  eridani   Jul-12-05 11:22 PM   #23 
  - Fox news, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, any major newspaper.  TankLV   Jul-12-05 11:25 PM   #24 
  - You have links proving that those sources violate DU rules? eom  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:49 PM   #33 
  - this is politically impaired.  lvx35   Jul-12-05 11:34 PM   #27 
  - I sure as hell hope that your typical rense or tbrnews reader doesn't  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:49 PM   #32 
     - Then you sure hope DU stays small.  lvx35   Jul-12-05 11:56 PM   #40 
        - There are a lot of racists and clinically insane people on the Internet.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:59 PM   #43 
           - What on earth is racist about it?  lvx35   Jul-13-05 12:03 AM   #44 
           - WRH  Behind the Aegis   Jul-13-05 12:11 AM   #50 
           - Yeay, but sites have focus.  lvx35   Jul-13-05 12:19 AM   #64 
           - WRH links to articles he describes as evidence of "Jewish control"  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:21 AM   #66 
           - No they're not.  lvx35   Jul-13-05 12:31 AM   #87 
              - Yes, and their forum has been taken over by the Stromfront crowd.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:34 AM   #96 
           - I do know what they look like.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-13-05 12:23 AM   #69 
           - ".... anti-Semitic or racist notions ..."  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:24 AM   #71 
              - How about theories that Jews are ripping off American consumers  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:28 AM   #76 
              - You really think...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:39 AM   #106 
                 - Again, my original hope was to help clarify the rules by providing  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:40 AM   #110 
                    - I get it...  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:46 AM   #120 
                       - Many folks are concerned about Freepers infiltrating us.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:49 AM   #127 
                          - The right is infultrating us. HALLELUJAH!  lvx35   Jul-13-05 01:02 AM   #141 
              - Did I say that?  Behind the Aegis   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #84 
                 - Re: "Did I say that?"  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:34 AM   #95 
                    - Is this an apology?!  Behind the Aegis   Jul-13-05 12:39 AM   #107 
                       - "Is this an apology?!"  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:42 AM   #113 
                          - ok  Behind the Aegis   Jul-13-05 12:49 AM   #126 
                             - "... just added information."  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:59 AM   #136 
           - Here's a few links just to scratch the surface of the bigotry:  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:14 AM   #56 
              - And here, my freind is the Demon Livergood and UFO Gods  lvx35   Jul-13-05 12:26 AM   #72 
                 - So Rense is racist AND crazy. All the more reason why his site  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #83 
                    - Hate the reference, love the referer.  lvx35   Jul-13-05 12:54 AM   #132 
                       - I don't mind left-wing fringe sites that much. It's the fascist rightwing  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 01:00 AM   #138 
           - You're throwing a wider net  charlie   Jul-13-05 12:05 AM   #47 
              - That's a good point. CHB at least is entertaining even though  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:15 AM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-05 11:53 PM   #36 
  - Huh? Racist and Neo-Nazi sites are already banned here.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:55 PM   #39 
  - I don't know that -- and I don't altogether believe it  starroute   Jul-13-05 12:44 AM   #117 
  - "Who died and made you commissar?"  madeline_con   Jul-13-05 12:27 AM   #74 
  - I don't get this.  snot   Jul-12-05 11:54 PM   #38 
  - Tbrnews.org has suckered a lot of people with its hoaxes here.  geek tragedy   Jul-12-05 11:57 PM   #41 
  - So could this not be adequately addressed . . .  snot   Jul-13-05 12:13 AM   #54 
     - Rating systems are too complicated--and you'd get fights.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:17 AM   #59 
        - Ratings work just fine on Kos  Stray Roots   Jul-13-05 12:29 AM   #77 
        - I can guarantee you that someone posting stuff from Tbrnews.org  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:31 AM   #88 
           - That is ok  Stray Roots   Jul-13-05 12:37 AM   #100 
        - Many of the sites listed are merely inconsistent  Stray Roots   Jul-13-05 12:34 AM   #93 
           - Yes, I am ideologically opposed to the fascist right.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:47 AM   #121 
              - Many of these sites publish mostly nonracist  Stray Roots   Jul-13-05 12:51 AM   #130 
  - You Might Want To Read This, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jul-13-05 12:22 AM   # 
     - I did read it--the discussion of a list there actually sparked the idea  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:24 AM   #70 
     - He wasn't talking to you.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:32 AM   #90 
     - Thank you; this is helpful. nt  snot   Jul-13-05 12:47 AM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-13-05 12:10 AM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-13-05 12:13 AM   #55 
  - Maybe this would best be left to the DU admins if they want  Wonk   Jul-13-05 12:12 AM   #51 
  - It's Wonk!  bicentennial_baby   Jul-13-05 12:18 AM   #60 
  - You're right--it hasn't been as productive as I had hoped.  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:20 AM   #65 
     - Whatever you say.  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #82 
  - Your intentions are good but I dont believe its for us to decide.  Lannes   Jul-13-05 12:12 AM   #52 
  - How about the O'Reilly rule of thumb  pox americana   Jul-13-05 12:19 AM   #62 
     - Not sure where you are going with this.  Lannes   Jul-13-05 12:22 AM   #67 
     - I don't see good intentions, I see a deeply anti-progressive agenda.  pox americana   Jul-13-05 12:28 AM   #75 
        - I was trying to be diplomatic  Lannes   Jul-13-05 12:29 AM   #80 
        - Your problem is with the DU rules then--they're the ones who  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:36 AM   #98 
           - Funny how you are twisting this around to  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:42 AM   #112 
           - Go re-read the posting rules.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:44 AM   #118 
     - Try this: If it's so racist that it's banned at The Free Republic then  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:22 AM   #68 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-13-05 12:29 AM   #79 
           - LMAO  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #81 
  - ...  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:30 AM   #86 
  - Has anyone seen my wubbie?  Solly Mack   Jul-13-05 12:34 AM   #94 
  - My poor lost wubbie. Nobody cares  Solly Mack   Jul-13-05 12:41 AM   #111 
     - If a Wubbie gets lost in a flame war, and no one responds, can you  Solly Mack   Jul-13-05 12:51 AM   #129 
        - LOL, you are having too much fun!  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:54 AM   #131 
           - The Wubbie likes to giggle too.  Solly Mack   Jul-13-05 12:59 AM   #135 
  - Ick. No thanks.  KTM   Jul-13-05 12:36 AM   #97 
  - Did you say "fire?"  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:37 AM   #102 
  - Which sites do you disagree with--or do you disagree with the idea  geek tragedy   Jul-13-05 12:38 AM   #103 
     - I disagree with the idea of you  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:39 AM   #105 
  - I want to suggest something to anyone reading this:  Bouncy Ball   Jul-13-05 12:48 AM   #125 
  - Fox, NYT, CNN, Jerusalem Post, Israel Insider, AIPAC  Tinoire   Jul-13-05 12:59 AM   #137 
  - Locking  Moderator   Jul-13-05 01:02 AM   #142 
 

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