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| 108. I have just come around to the belief that Bush didn't actually win. |
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To many things just don't add up and the explanations for discrepancies in voting and polls are lacking. We already have documented disenfranchisement in Ohio. Now we have the Ohio coin -gate. I know there was a lot of aid money sent to just about anyone who asked in Florida after the hurricane's. I read they were taking applications at fast food restaurants and aid money was received within 24 hours without a waiting period. The one article I remember reading in Newsweek,right after the election, pertained to Karen Hughes preparing to sit the president down to tell him he lost, and Rove telling her to hold off, because he had a feeling their numbers were going to come in later. I often go back to this statement, in my mind, when I'm angry people couldn't see through the Bush campaign bullsh*t.(I'll be happy to provide a link once I relocate it).
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| -A simple question: Do you believe Bush stole the 2004 election? |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-10-05 08:42 AM |
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Ask the same question about the 2000 vote |
whistle |
Jul-10-05 08:43 AM |
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bu$h didn't not do it. He does not have enough functioning brain cells. |
RC |
Jul-10-05 08:49 AM |
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Exactly. Question should be, "Do you think the *GOP* stole it?"! |
checks-n-balances |
Jul-10-05 02:17 PM |
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YES. 2000 AND 2004. n/t |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jul-10-05 08:45 AM |
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yep |
barb162 |
Jul-10-05 09:48 AM |
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Yes - in 2000 and 2004 |
Cerridwen |
Jul-10-05 08:47 AM |
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Yup. Both. |
iconoclastic cat |
Jul-10-05 11:57 AM |
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I believe there was definately fraud. |
mutley_r_us |
Jul-10-05 08:53 AM |
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Agreed...fraud, but probably not enough |
formernaderite |
Jul-10-05 10:23 AM |
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Kick for more votes. |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-10-05 09:45 AM |
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I don't know |
Retired AF Dem |
Jul-10-05 09:53 AM |
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Not a doubt in my mind it was fraud |
Greybnk48 |
Jul-10-05 09:58 AM |
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so where are the many DUers who believe Bush won? n/t |
LSK |
Jul-10-05 10:05 AM |
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fraWd. |
peekaloo |
Jul-10-05 10:08 AM |
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I believe they stole it = absolutely! |
goclark |
Jul-10-05 10:10 AM |
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Voter disenfranchisement in Ohio was shameful |
AlwaysDemocrat |
Jul-10-05 10:25 AM |
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Insider Info? |
BushFungus |
Jul-10-05 10:24 AM |
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You are going to love DU! |
blondeatlast |
Jul-10-05 10:29 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-10-05 03:22 PM |
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2000 absolutely, 2004 I don't know. |
stpalm |
Jul-10-05 10:28 AM |
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How many links to those "liberal publications" do you need? |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 11:26 AM |
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I haven't seen any, besides one on Salon (I think) NT |
stpalm |
Jul-10-05 11:35 AM |
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Here is a start: |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 12:01 PM |
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interesting.... |
stpalm |
Jul-11-05 09:45 AM |
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Other: Yes, Bush stole 2004; No, the exit polls prove doodlysquat |
foo_bar |
Jul-10-05 11:11 AM |
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I agree it was more disenfrachisement than anything else |
ccbombs |
Jul-10-05 03:29 PM |
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What difference does it make if it was legitimate? |
dddem |
Jul-10-05 11:11 AM |
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What I think doesn't really matter without actinable proof. nt |
bilgewaterbill |
Jul-10-05 01:39 PM |
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and how easy it was to steal both the electoral but also the popular |
helderheid |
Jul-10-05 11:15 AM |
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Rove, not Bush |
undeterred |
Jul-10-05 11:16 AM |
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Wow |
LincolnMcGrath |
Jul-10-05 11:17 AM |
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There's fraud in every national election. Not enough in this case. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-10-05 11:21 AM |
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Can't vote in this poll |
Walt Starr |
Jul-10-05 11:22 AM |
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Agree. For stolen election look to 2000! |
valniel |
Jul-11-05 08:11 AM |
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Yep! I'm with Rep. Conyers :) |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 11:24 AM |
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Conyers never asserted the election was stolen |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 11:57 AM |
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Ummm, Cocoa, he wrote a book about it. |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 01:03 PM |
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but he never asserts the election was stolen |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 01:23 PM |
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I have the book. |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 01:26 PM |
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most of it |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 01:30 PM |
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Here is something else |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 01:38 PM |
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you posted a blurb and a joke |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 01:47 PM |
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A joke? You've got to be kidding. |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 01:56 PM |
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if this isn't distancing, then nothing is |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 02:04 PM |
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I guess he was trying to distance himself with an investigation |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 02:19 PM |
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Conyers is explicit about what his investigation was and was NOT about |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 02:25 PM |
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Oh, Cocoa! I've seen the way you operate |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 02:37 PM |
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when talking about Conyers's position, I post Conyers's words |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 02:49 PM |
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Yeah, and I did, too! |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 03:21 PM |
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you posted your words |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 03:25 PM |
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Bullshit! Read post 78 again. Those aren't my words. |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 03:30 PM |
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but he does provide insight into the abuse and manipulation |
rman |
Jul-11-05 06:50 AM |
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This clearly a no brainer. The neo cons been stealing elections |
B Calm |
Jul-10-05 11:26 AM |
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No, I'm with John Conyers |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 11:33 AM |
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Don't assume that John Conyers Jr. doesn't think it was stolen, he is a |
dandrhesse |
Jul-10-05 12:23 PM |
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not just his own credibility |
Cocoa |
Jul-10-05 12:43 PM |
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you bet and we should all take notes on how he approaches and issue, it is |
dandrhesse |
Jul-10-05 01:02 PM |
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Read post 45 above. |
MelissaB |
Jul-10-05 01:19 PM |
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Once again: There is absolutely no legitimate reason to force voters |
Zorra |
Jul-10-05 11:45 AM |
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Hell yeah!!!!!! |
Jim Sagle |
Jul-10-05 12:05 PM |
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I think the Bush team started stealing the 2004 vote back in 2000 |
derby378 |
Jul-10-05 12:10 PM |
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yes, starting with the 2000 appointment, the rigged midterms in 2006 and |
dandrhesse |
Jul-10-05 12:20 PM |
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Yes..via crooked voting commissioners |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Jul-10-05 12:25 PM |
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It wasn't fixed. We lost Ohio because we got outhustled in Southern Ohio. |
The Blue Knight |
Jul-10-05 12:48 PM |
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So you missed those long lines wrapped around the blocks in Dem |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Jul-10-05 12:51 PM |
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with all due respect, |
dddem |
Jul-10-05 03:39 PM |
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I would rephrase the question... |
sendero |
Jul-10-05 12:49 PM |
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Stole in 2004 and given to him in 2000, the man is a born loser, the |
candy331 |
Jul-10-05 12:57 PM |
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If you steal something (say, 2000 election!) and get away with it... |
LuCifer |
Jul-10-05 01:05 PM |
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There was fraud & we don't know how much. |
rucky |
Jul-10-05 01:06 PM |
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YES... Absofuckinglutely! If you voted no then you are seriously mis- |
In Truth We Trust |
Jul-10-05 01:07 PM |
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No rDUr here--Who the heck are those 4 people (hunky dorey). |
autorank |
Jul-10-05 01:22 PM |
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Blackwell, "Evidence? Right under my butt?" ..... |
Tigress DEM |
Jul-10-05 01:51 PM |
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Nobody's said it better. This is great... |
autorank |
Jul-10-05 02:04 PM |
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cya at the 9/24/05 party!!! |
autorank |
Jul-11-05 04:45 PM |
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They did they same thing during the 2002 elections...look at the polls... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-10-05 01:29 PM |
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No mother fucking... |
Hepburn |
Jul-10-05 01:40 PM |
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Yes, |
countingbluecars |
Jul-10-05 01:43 PM |
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Ken Blackwell was the one with "dirty hands" but no question about it. |
Tigress DEM |
Jul-10-05 01:49 PM |
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More accurately: his handlers stole it |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-10-05 02:22 PM |
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man, TIA -- it's great seeing this info outside of the election forum! |
nashville_brook |
Jul-10-05 02:42 PM |
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I'll even kick it for you... |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-11-05 04:19 PM |
#115 |
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it was all the amazing work in the election forum that made a member |
nashville_brook |
Jul-11-05 09:38 PM |
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Yes, the election was stolen. |
Blue in Portland |
Jul-10-05 03:00 PM |
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I have very deep suspicions that Bush/Rove rigged the election |
deutsey |
Jul-10-05 03:02 PM |
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exit polls |
WinkyDink |
Jul-10-05 03:05 PM |
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My answer is simple |
Mythsaje |
Jul-10-05 03:15 PM |
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They stole it by stealing hearts & minds - and some tricky games |
applegrove |
Jul-10-05 03:40 PM |
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This needs kicked too. |
vickiss |
Jul-10-05 04:22 PM |
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I do not believe Kerry won the popular vote... |
kentuck |
Jul-10-05 04:24 PM |
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90% yes |
helderheid |
Jul-10-05 04:58 PM |
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The evidence is overwhelming |
tommcintyre |
Jul-10-05 05:25 PM |
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No doubt about it |
vanboggie |
Jul-10-05 05:45 PM |
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Yes. |
Stand and Fight |
Jul-10-05 07:20 PM |
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It was stolen in Ohio--just look how corrupt Ohio is.... n/t |
deacon |
Jul-10-05 07:46 PM |
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I believe to the depth of my being that * & cabal stole the elections in |
OhGodNotAgain |
Jul-10-05 08:09 PM |
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. |
helderheid |
Jul-10-05 10:48 PM |
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Do I believe that, for the first time ever, the exit polls were wrong? |
txindy |
Jul-10-05 11:10 PM |
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YES |
lala_rawraw |
Jul-11-05 12:20 AM |
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Yes, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind. |
AuntPatsy |
Jul-11-05 12:22 AM |
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Of course it was stolen--and it was on national TV for all to see. |
Ojai Person |
Jul-11-05 02:59 AM |
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Of course it was stolen. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-11-05 04:01 AM |
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Why does the republican party fight for no paper trail? |
B Calm |
Jul-11-05 05:37 AM |
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Why don't the democrats, other than Conyer's, ask them? |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-11-05 06:43 AM |
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I'd bet the farm that it was stolen. |
Old and In the Way |
Jul-11-05 07:27 AM |
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Actually, it was Bush 62-59mm (official) but Kerry really won by 63-58mm.. |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-11-05 08:11 AM |
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I stand corrected, TIA |
Old and In the Way |
Jul-11-05 09:27 AM |
#103 |
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yes |
Neecy |
Jul-11-05 09:55 AM |
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So sure that I closed my business of 17+ years to investigate + work on |
mod mom |
Jul-11-05 10:30 AM |
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Mr. PseudoMath strikes again! |
ArkDem |
Jul-11-05 10:33 AM |
#107 |
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I have just come around to the belief that Bush didn't actually win. |
second edition |
Jul-11-05 10:52 AM |
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I wonder - the people who vote "no" |
bloom |
Jul-11-05 11:08 AM |
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Yes, stolen. |
ThruTheLookingGlass |
Jul-11-05 11:10 AM |
#110 |
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I can't vote in this poll |
Walt Starr |
Jul-11-05 11:16 AM |
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Fraud yes, theft? Dunno. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jul-11-05 11:45 AM |
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What's the purpose of fraud, then? Is it just a game? |
TruthIsAll |
Jul-12-05 09:28 AM |
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The purpose is to sow confusion. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jul-12-05 12:10 PM |
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2000, 2002, & 2004. n/t |
Al-CIAda |
Jul-11-05 11:51 AM |
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I absolutely believe it, both in 2004 and 2000. |
Rhiannon12866 |
Jul-11-05 12:53 PM |
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Why are there so few votes? |
lyberyl_prygryssyve |
Jul-12-05 09:37 AM |
#119 |
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YES |
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Jul-12-05 09:52 AM |
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