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32. The results of this poll are VERY disturbing.
50% of DU thinks murdering civilians is legitimate.

That means 50% of the folks here are lower than Bush & Rumsfeld.
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  -Its a war. My country's army is killing civilians; am I a "fair target?" IdaBriggs  Jul-07-05 10:40 AM   #0 
  - no, i'm white  sniffa   Jul-07-05 10:42 AM   #1 
  - ....  Vash the Stampede   Jul-07-05 10:43 AM   #2 
  - think again, LIBERAL  rucky   Jul-07-05 12:46 PM   #47 
     - i don't do heroin  sniffa   Jul-07-05 01:15 PM   #50 
  - No  OhioBlues   Jul-07-05 10:45 AM   #3 
  - War is fought in any and all fashions.  Jara sang   Jul-07-05 10:47 AM   #4 
  - Anyone involved in the killing of civilians  justinsb   Jul-07-05 10:47 AM   #5 
  - So Roosevelt should be charged with war crimes?  Jara sang   Jul-07-05 10:48 AM   #7 
     - Sure, I doubt they'll show up for court  justinsb   Jul-07-05 11:00 AM   #13 
  - Civilians are not a "legitimate" target in war.  BurtWorm   Jul-07-05 10:48 AM   #6 
  - yes. thanks to "civilized" western europeans  leftofthedial   Jul-07-05 10:49 AM   #8 
  - The Geneva what? Oh, yeah, those silly things our new Attorney  Benhurst   Jul-07-05 10:49 AM   #9 
  - Yes... They Are So "Quaint"  GiovanniC   Jul-07-05 11:15 AM   #16 
  - No, I abhor the fact my government has abandoned the geneva...  liberalitch   Jul-07-05 10:51 AM   #10 
  - Neither. It's immoral to kill civilians you are not targeting  Ignoramus   Jul-07-05 10:59 AM   #11 
  - I can't give so simple an answer as a yes or a no....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 11:00 AM   #12 
  - Thanks for your reply...  IndyOp   Jul-07-05 11:13 AM   #15 
  - yes, I know it....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 11:21 AM   #21 
     - Good point...  IndyOp   Jul-07-05 11:31 AM   #24 
  - What a stirring defense of terrorism. Please allow me to throw up all  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 12:56 PM   #49 
  - You Are Not A Fair Target, Ms. Briggs  The Magistrate   Jul-07-05 11:01 AM   #14 
  - whose "laws of war" do we follow  uncle ray   Jul-07-05 12:32 PM   #44 
  - As fair as their civilians.  Kraklen   Jul-07-05 11:15 AM   #17 
  - war is always about targeting civilians  CWebster   Jul-07-05 11:17 AM   #18 
  - War can be many things  manic expression   Jul-07-05 11:35 AM   #29 
     - Well, ideally no  CWebster   Jul-07-05 11:38 AM   #31 
        - It usually works the worst way  manic expression   Jul-07-05 12:02 PM   #35 
  - Yes, but you get a taxcut...  kentuck   Jul-07-05 11:20 AM   #19 
  - War in general is not "fair"  mtnester   Jul-07-05 11:20 AM   #20 
  - NO innocent civilians are EVER "fairly" targeted.  SmokingJacket   Jul-07-05 11:21 AM   #22 
  - NO. n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Jul-07-05 11:21 AM   #23 
  - Yes - because that is the way people think  DireStrike   Jul-07-05 11:32 AM   #25 
  - Of course not.  Goldmund   Jul-07-05 11:33 AM   #26 
  - If you start a war, you can expect that the other side will fight back  Jacobin   Jul-07-05 11:35 AM   #27 
  - unfortunately, the sad truth is the answer is yes  KG   Jul-07-05 11:35 AM   #28 
  - only if you are flying a W the President sticker on your SUV  GeekMonkey   Jul-07-05 11:36 AM   #30 
  - The results of this poll are VERY disturbing.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 11:41 AM   #32 
  - Yeah, I don't get it!  SmokingJacket   Jul-07-05 12:03 PM   #36 
  - Even Bush and Rumsfeld don't maintain that it's perfectly legitimate  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 12:08 PM   #40 
     - Yeah because voting NO on this poll will totally convince  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:42 PM   #67 
  - i don't see the word 'legitimate' anywhere in the original post.  KG   Jul-07-05 12:13 PM   #41 
  - A yes vote meant that you and I are "fair targets." A no vote meant  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 12:16 PM   #42 
     - if our country is engaged in the murder of civilans "over there..."  mike_c   Jul-07-05 01:31 PM   #55 
     - Well, you can justify terrorism all you want.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:33 PM   #58 
        - No one is defending or justifying terrorism, you are jumping to some  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:41 PM   #65 
           - The question is whether DU'ers think American civilians are fair  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:47 PM   #72 
              - IN THE TERRORIST'S EYES.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:48 PM   #74 
     - A yes vote did NOT mean that someone doesn't believe in the  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:47 PM   #73 
        - Because the question is what do DU'ers think. Everyone already  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:56 PM   #85 
           - YOU learn to read.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:58 PM   #88 
              - Allow me to quote posts from this thread:  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:07 PM   # 
                 - Ah, so you don't like the fact that people in this thread are looking  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:13 PM   #99 
                    - Yes, I say that ANYONE who considers what Al Qaeda does to be self-defense  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:16 PM   #102 
                       - Black and white thinking.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:21 PM   #106 
                          - You're right. I have a morally absolute position on Al Qaeda:  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:26 PM   #110 
                             - HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:29 PM   #113 
                                - Here's what you said:  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:35 PM   #121 
                                   - THEY SEE IT AS SELF-DEFENSE.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:54 PM   #128 
                                      - What AQ isn't self-defense by any sane definition of the word.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:58 PM   #133 
                                         - I am, like, sooooo fucking glad that you aren't a diplomat  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 03:07 PM   #139 
  - Hey weren't you the one talking about the Madrid bombings earlier?  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:35 PM   #60 
  - Huh? Link please. eom  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:39 PM   #63 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-05 01:45 PM   #69 
        - What a stupid attempt to smear me. You need a few lessons in logic and  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:54 PM   #82 
           - Hey, I'm just sayin'.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:59 PM   #89 
  - Bush and Rumsfeld are murdering civilians.  Kraklen   Jul-07-05 01:49 PM   #77 
  - I voted yes  Tinoire   Jul-07-05 12:00 PM   #33 
  - Me too (voted YES) , for mostly the same reasons  meganmonkey   Jul-07-05 12:04 PM   #38 
  - But they're NOT a valid target.  SmokingJacket   Jul-07-05 04:05 PM   #180 
     - I think you're right...  meganmonkey   Jul-07-05 05:24 PM   #192 
  - spot on Tin....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 01:29 PM   #53 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-05 01:38 PM   #61 
     - Is this the same "great majority"  Tinoire   Jul-07-05 01:55 PM   #84 
        - On the issue of terrorism, I certainly am. I don't make excuses for  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:57 PM   #86 
           - I don't see any excuses or justifications.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:07 PM   #93 
           - Again, EVERYONE ON THE PLANET knows that AQ thinks that  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:10 PM   #94 
              - As in the DUers WANT to kill civilians????  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:15 PM   #101 
              - the US military sees civilians as fair game  KG   Jul-07-05 03:32 PM   #157 
           - I agree! Let's stop excusing the terrorists and throw Bush, Blair, Sharon  Tinoire   Jul-07-05 03:08 PM   #140 
     - Well...  Tinoire   Jul-07-05 03:04 PM   #137 
        - indeed....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 03:22 PM   #151 
  - Of course not! But it certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it.  tk2kewl   Jul-07-05 12:01 PM   #34 
  - If my country acts as though the Geneva Conventions are "quaint"  undeterred   Jul-07-05 12:03 PM   #37 
  - Middle. I'm not fond of your two choices  ComerPerro   Jul-07-05 12:05 PM   #39 
  - Umm, are the US/British armies deliberately killing civilians?  LSdemocrat   Jul-07-05 12:18 PM   #43 
  - Enabling. n/t  Finder   Jul-07-05 12:38 PM   #46 
  - there hasn't been a "legitimate military target" in Iraq for years...  mike_c   Jul-07-05 12:49 PM   #48 
  - Tell me what Iraq did to deserve to even be a military target of ours.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:31 PM   #56 
  - Apathetic vs innocent...  Finder   Jul-07-05 12:35 PM   #45 
  - Hello Michelle Malkin Readers !  RobertSeattle   Jul-07-05 01:16 PM   #51 
  - BWAAHAHAHAH!!!  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:33 PM   #57 
  - Of course Malkin has to go looking for straw-men to fight.  darkblue   Jul-07-05 04:09 PM   #181 
  - Civilians are not fair targets in a war  Geek_Girl   Jul-07-05 01:22 PM   #52 
  - I took the poll to mean "do the terrorists think of cilivians  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:54 PM   #81 
     - The question doesn't ask what the terrorists think. It asks what DU'ers  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:58 PM   #87 
        - Back up a step and you'll get it right!!  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:02 PM   #91 
           - Again, the thread doesn't ask what terrorists think. EVERYONE KNOWS  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:04 PM   #92 
              - Nobody feels it is justified...EVER  Finder   Jul-07-05 02:31 PM   #115 
                 - The term "terrorist" applies completely to AQ and similar organizations.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:34 PM   #118 
                    - Unless you are a member of those organizations  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:35 PM   #119 
                    - Except that their perspective is wrong and invalid. eom  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:38 PM   #122 
                       - How is perspective wrong and invalid?  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:52 PM   #127 
                          - Did Adolf Hitler have a wrong and invalid perspective? How about Mao?  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:01 PM   #134 
                             - Again, perspective is simply perspective.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 03:11 PM   #143 
                    - it is not beyond dispute by any means...  mike_c   Jul-07-05 02:47 PM   #125 
                       - It's beyond dispute amongst sane and decent people. I have yet  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:03 PM   #136 
                          - were they terrorists when they fought to eject the soviets...  mike_c   Jul-07-05 03:18 PM   #149 
                          - Were they blowing up buses and office buildings in Moscow during  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:35 PM   #158 
                          - They were Freedom Fighters when they fought against the Soviets, no?  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:23 PM   #152 
                             - How many civilians in Moscow and St. Petersberg did they kill?  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:36 PM   #159 
                                - good point there  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:41 PM   #162 
                                - Being the Soviets, probably quite a few. But the Soviets were never  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:44 PM   #164 
                                - so you think some killing of civilians...  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:50 PM   #168 
                                   - Depends why the civilians were killed.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:57 PM   #173 
                                      - WRONG  Finder   Jul-07-05 04:03 PM   #178 
                                         - Now we're talking about Latin America?  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:11 PM   #182 
                                            - I was referring to your statement, "It depends why..."  Finder   Jul-07-05 04:16 PM   #184 
                                               - Civilians are not fair game.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:20 PM   #187 
                                               - Sigh...If it causes terror it is terrorism if you are...  Finder   Jul-07-05 04:30 PM   #190 
                                - and now the Americans and British...  mike_c   Jul-07-05 03:45 PM   #166 
                                   - Who's 'them?' If you're talking about AQ members, of course  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:52 PM   #170 
                                      - We know that but Bush is still linking the war on terrorism to Iraq...  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:57 PM   #172 
                                      - Bush is a lying asshole. eom  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:58 PM   #174 
                                      - d'oh! No links between Saddam and Osama?! How did I miss...  mike_c   Jul-07-05 04:03 PM   #179 
                                         - Of course I was being sarcastic.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:13 PM   #183 
                                            - Who on left would ever say that? n/t  Finder   Jul-07-05 04:17 PM   #185 
                                               - Everyone who was saying that AQ has been bombing places  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:21 PM   #188 
                                                  - Well that is true in a sense...  Finder   Jul-07-05 04:27 PM   #189 
                                                  - NO doubt that AQ is much less of a cohesive organization nowadays.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:46 PM   #191 
                                - maybe they are "taking the fight to the enemy" in their eyes.  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:45 PM   #165 
                                   - They're still bloody terrorists. The Nazis thought that they were  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:50 PM   #167 
                                      - And Bush thinks he is liberating the Arab world but is still a mass..  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:59 PM   #175 
                                         - No argument from me. eom  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 04:00 PM   #177 
  - If they can't strike at government/military targets, they'd probably hit  Terran1212   Jul-07-05 01:30 PM   #54 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-05 01:35 PM   #59 
     - Hang on a second.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:39 PM   #62 
     - Terrorists have no business engaging in any kind of violence. Period.  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:43 PM   #68 
        - Terrorists.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:50 PM   #78 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-05 01:42 PM   #66 
        - Why haven't you strapped on a suicide belt yet, since you support  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:46 PM   #71 
           - Listen for a second, please.  Terran1212   Jul-07-05 01:48 PM   #76 
           - So, you're willing to cheerlead and encourage terrorism, but not willing  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 01:51 PM   #79 
           - carlos, is that you?  KG   Jul-07-05 01:54 PM   #83 
           - HAHAHAHA!!!!!!  Swamp Rat   Jul-07-05 02:11 PM   #95 
           - Hahahaha!!!  NervousRex   Jul-07-05 02:28 PM   #111 
           - lol....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 02:33 PM   #117 
           - I'M NOT encouraging or "cheerleading" terrorism...  Terran1212   Jul-07-05 01:59 PM   #90 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-05 02:13 PM   #96 
              - I don't support "AQ" because I don't believe it exists  Terran1212   Jul-07-05 02:17 PM   #103 
                 - You can't appease Islamist imperialists. They want to restore the  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:19 PM   #105 
                    - You are wrong here...  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:11 PM   #142 
                       - Not to mention...  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:12 PM   #144 
                       - Bin Laden still refers to Spain as Al-Andaluz. That should give  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:40 PM   #161 
                          - Again, I agree  Finder   Jul-07-05 03:55 PM   #171 
                             - No, and Bush does not understand that. Then again, Bush sucks  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:59 PM   #176 
              - I used an analogy above.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:18 PM   #104 
                 - Sorry, I'm not buying your account of theocratic terrorists as enforcers  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:24 PM   #109 
                    - Who said they should win?  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:31 PM   #116 
                    - this is all about Islam for you, isn't it...?  mike_c   Jul-07-05 03:24 PM   #153 
                       - Not Islam--radical Islamism. There is a giant difference between  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:43 PM   #163 
           - can't tell those doing the killing to stop?  onenote   Jul-07-05 02:13 PM   #97 
              - You CAN'T.  Terran1212   Jul-07-05 02:21 PM   #107 
           - What a weird argument.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 01:52 PM   #80 
              - See post #83  Swamp Rat   Jul-07-05 02:13 PM   #98 
              - Who is Carlos?  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:22 PM   #108 
                 - an ex-DUer from the Original Days who was very conservative....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 02:35 PM   #120 
              - Geek sounds "terrorized"...  Finder   Jul-07-05 02:43 PM   #123 
                 - Opposition to terrorism, along with opposition to poverty and disease,  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 02:46 PM   #124 
                    - And NO trying to understand such things are ALLOWED!  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:56 PM   #131 
                       - I want to understand how disease spreads. I want to know how terrorism  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:05 PM   #138 
                          - Everything you've said in this thread has indicated  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 03:14 PM   #146 
                             - The point being that civilians aren't fair game, regardless of what  geek tragedy   Jul-07-05 03:38 PM   #160 
  - Yes, Fair Game. The Geneva Conventions. . .  ProfessorGAC   Jul-07-05 01:41 PM   #64 
  - I, unfortunately, must say yes.  NCevilDUer   Jul-07-05 01:45 PM   #70 
  - I vote "NO" but that is a stance based on my belief that WE should NOT be  sojourner   Jul-07-05 01:48 PM   #75 
  - No, never. (nt)  jaredh   Jul-07-05 02:14 PM   #100 
  - There are exceptions in the GC for colateral damage.  lateo   Jul-07-05 02:29 PM   #112 
  - yes, as a citizen of the bully country, you would need to be  methinks2   Jul-07-05 02:31 PM   #114 
  - You make it hard to answer, in their eyes: yes. In my eyes the Geneva  rumpel   Jul-07-05 02:50 PM   #126 
  - Civilians have always been numbered amongst the victims of war  Walt Starr   Jul-07-05 02:54 PM   #129 
  - Hear, hear.  Bouncy Ball   Jul-07-05 02:57 PM   #132 
  - Exact Same Page, Walt  ProfessorGAC   Jul-07-05 03:03 PM   #135 
  - if it's wrong when we do it...  booley   Jul-07-05 02:55 PM   #130 
  - "Colateral damage"  Disturbed   Jul-07-05 03:14 PM   #147 
  - My mom (may she rest in peace) always said  Karenina   Jul-07-05 03:11 PM   #141 
  - Deliberate targeting of civilians is ethically wrong....  darkblue   Jul-07-05 03:13 PM   #145 
  - If you post a yes/no poll the answers should simply be yes or no  cestpaspossible   Jul-07-05 03:16 PM   #148 
  - What War?  HR_Pufnstuf   Jul-07-05 03:21 PM   #150 
  - been reading Doonesbury today...?  mike_c   Jul-07-05 03:28 PM   #155 
  - Geneva Convention or no, civilians are always casualties of war  MadHound   Jul-07-05 03:26 PM   #154 
  - Killing civilians is the best way  jokerman93   Jul-07-05 03:28 PM   #156 
  - The situation is not parallel  demzilla   Jul-07-05 03:51 PM   #169 
  - Falluja....  mike_c   Jul-07-05 04:19 PM   #186 
  - "Shock and Awe" ... Terrorists are terrorists, whether they  Benhurst   Jul-08-05 07:05 AM   #193 
  - Actually, I was thinking of "Bad Indians!" when I created the poll.  IdaBriggs   Jul-08-05 01:46 PM   #194 
 

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