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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 05:37 PM
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54. "Guilt by by association"...
I have thought a lot about racism too. Discussed it in multiracial classes and gatherings as well.

Do you believe that you would have acted very differently, as a white person, from other whites if you had lived during that era?

I think social pressures push people to go either way. The author of the post earlier in this thread said he would have gone along more than likely, with everybody else--he would not have rebelled.

I think a lot of white people went along for the same reasons. It's a lot easier to go along when you gain privilege and even esteem by being thought of as "better than" others simply because of the color of your skin. Had those whites not gone along, they would have been labeled. Social diversity is more acceptable now, for the most part so it's easy to go along with that today.

I also think that subtle racism persists because people gravitate toward their own kind. People seek to affiliate and assimilate, and race is an easy way to begin doing that. It takes a lot of personal awareness to step outside of this comfort zone.

I live in an area where there are few blacks--and I'm black. I find most people to be very friendly. But...I often feel a sense of apprehension about how whites will respond to me. I sometimes feel that I will be resented because I'm simply in "their" area. I have spoken to people in my neighborhood in passing and gotten no response (not many, but it's happened). I won't say that's totally because of race--these people could be crazy or deaf for all I know--but it's easy to jump to the conclusion that racism is the reason.

I would like to add that racism is not just a black/white issue. I went to a store owned by orientals once. I was prepared to buy several items. After I tried on a few items, the oriental woman who assisted me (watched my every move actually) told me that I had to leave, I could not try on anything else. That's when I saw a sign that said you could only try on three items. I was floored--and happy as hell I hadn't bought anything before finding out I would be put out. These people, doing business in a black neighborhood, often want blacks to come in, drop their money and get out. They have zero respect for the people they make a living off of. My only regret is that I didn't organize a picket of their store to run them out of the neighborhood.
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  -I was watching a Black couple the other night and felt sad. trumad  Jun-30-05 04:25 PM   #0 
  - Did they have a good table?  Kraklen   Jun-30-05 04:27 PM   #1 
  - They were treated fine...  trumad   Jun-30-05 04:31 PM   #4 
  - "Noticing the modern racism. . ."  Iris   Jun-30-05 04:41 PM   #14 
  - It took me years to understand  ewagner   Jun-30-05 04:30 PM   #2 
  - " doing the "work of God"...framed in Bible verse and morality ploys...  bloom   Jun-30-05 04:44 PM   #18 
  - Yes. Yes it does... n/t  ewagner   Jun-30-05 04:49 PM   #24 
  - They're right.....  MsTryska   Jun-30-05 05:05 PM   #32 
  - That's what's scary  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:27 PM   #59 
  - I thought about this the other night.  tallahasseedem   Jun-30-05 04:30 PM   #3 
  - As a black man,  Tim4319   Jun-30-05 04:34 PM   #5 
  - hi tim. i hope and trust no one here feels different than you on this  faithnotgreed   Jun-30-05 04:38 PM   #12 
  - Yes, and the implications of those acts are still felt today.  Iris   Jun-30-05 04:43 PM   #16 
  - after the OJ verdict, I had a long discussion with a black woman colleague  bobbieinok   Jun-30-05 04:44 PM   #17 
  - I never heard about the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 until I saw a documentary  oasis   Jun-30-05 04:48 PM   #22 
  - Check this out! Here are some articles.  Tim4319   Jun-30-05 04:51 PM   #26 
  - Thanks for the Tulsa Riot Links!  martymar64   Jun-30-05 08:11 PM   #71 
  - I read about it in "Lies My Teacher Told Me"  Logansquare   Jul-01-05 04:23 PM   #83 
  - I did some research on the Tulsa riots and Black Wall Street.  Tim4319   Jun-30-05 04:48 PM   #23 
  - HBO documentary: "OJ, A Study in Black and White"  La Coliniere   Jun-30-05 05:09 PM   #36 
  - Oh wow  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:33 PM   #61 
  - We not only need to remember and think about the history of racism and  Mairead   Jun-30-05 04:47 PM   #21 
  - i agree  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 04:50 PM   #25 
  - As a white man  Bread and Circus   Jun-30-05 05:13 PM   #40 
  - The Jews don't want the Holocaust forgotten either. The Christians  Auntie Bush   Jun-30-05 05:28 PM   #50 
  - I agree  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:30 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-30-05 04:34 PM   #6 
  - "Shrug???"  JanMichael   Jun-30-05 04:38 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-30-05 04:59 PM   #28 
     - Well we don't know the poster is down yonder.  JanMichael   Jun-30-05 05:01 PM   #30 
        - Or... You Could Check the Profile...  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:06 PM   #33 
        - I don't really trust what people put in online profiles.  JanMichael   Jun-30-05 05:11 PM   #38 
           - I Hear Ya !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:18 PM   #43 
           - What the?  Kraklen   Jun-30-05 05:20 PM   #44 
        - Unless he's lying...  fudge stripe cookays   Jun-30-05 05:08 PM   #34 
           - Just LOVE That Button !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:10 PM   #37 
           - Good one  Yupster   Jun-30-05 07:57 PM   #70 
  - if things hadn't changed...  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 04:56 PM   #27 
  - You Know I Love You... Don't You ???  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:09 PM   #35 
     - but of course  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 05:22 PM   #48 
        - Here... And Yes !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:25 PM   #49 
           - i'll put in on my calendar  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 05:29 PM   #51 
  - LOL.  Kraklen   Jun-30-05 05:03 PM   #31 
  - "Guilt by by association"...  linazelle   Jun-30-05 05:37 PM   #54 
     - How sad  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:39 PM   #63 
  - Actually I was a caterpillar who turned into a butterfly  trumad   Jun-30-05 05:12 PM   #39 
  - I hear you.  thereismore   Jun-30-05 04:34 PM   #7 
  - And yet, some have learned nothing...  nikraye   Jun-30-05 04:35 PM   #8 
  - Exactly. That's so sickening.  Zenlitened   Jun-30-05 05:01 PM   #29 
  - that is truly and equal-opportunity hate  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 07:02 PM   #56 
  - A big difference...  nikraye   Jun-30-05 07:17 PM   #57 
     - surface acceptance, perhaps  noiretblu   Jun-30-05 07:25 PM   #58 
        - Yes...religion is the common thread.  nikraye   Jun-30-05 07:34 PM   #62 
           - oakland is very diverse  noiretblu   Jul-01-05 01:24 PM   #81 
  - Obviously not  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:40 PM   #66 
  - they are simply anti-gay bigots  noiretblu   Jul-01-05 03:02 PM   #82 
  - they are told we choose to be this way...they didn't choose  jonnyblitz   Jul-01-05 08:02 PM   #85 
  - when i was a kid  knowbody0   Jun-30-05 04:35 PM   #9 
  - This is so common!  expatriate   Jun-30-05 08:25 PM   #72 
     - maybe you are my cousin?  knowbody0   Jun-30-05 09:23 PM   #73 
        - Could be!  expatriate   Jun-30-05 10:59 PM   #76 
  - Why not feel happy and proud?  TahitiNut   Jun-30-05 04:36 PM   #10 
  - Oh I do...  trumad   Jun-30-05 05:16 PM   #42 
  - Good points  FreedomAngel82   Jun-30-05 07:45 PM   #68 
  - When people find difficulty in their lives, it's easy  One_Life_To_Give   Jun-30-05 04:37 PM   #11 
  - Maybe some self-professing Christians don't practice Christian principles,  indepat   Jun-30-05 04:41 PM   #15 
  - I was just thinking about something like that  lynch03   Jun-30-05 04:44 PM   #19 
  - Last night while listing to Mike Malloy tell of what  devinsgram   Jun-30-05 04:45 PM   #20 
  - Martin Niemoeller on the failure of the churches to protest Nazi crimes  bobbieinok   Jun-30-05 05:21 PM   #46 
  - That;'s mighty white of you, Tru  CatWoman   Jun-30-05 05:16 PM   #41 
  - Another Black Goddess !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 05:22 PM   #47 
  - (tsk, tsk)  TahitiNut   Jun-30-05 05:43 PM   #55 
  - Thank you! Maybe someday  goclark   Jun-30-05 05:20 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-30-05 05:30 PM   #52 
  - same way a "human" can praise jeebiz on sunday  leftofthedial   Jun-30-05 05:31 PM   #53 
  - I think it's normal to feel that way... I know I do.  progressivebydesign   Jun-30-05 07:39 PM   #64 
  - My grandmother died a few years back at the age of 93  Ikonoklast   Jun-30-05 07:40 PM   #65 
  - Thats a GREAT story. Thanks.  geckosfeet   Jun-30-05 10:53 PM   #75 
  - *sobbing* - Thank You For That !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 11:01 PM   #77 
  - I am racist towards racists.  BMG   Jun-30-05 07:41 PM   #67 
  - I had a similar thought the other day...  porphyrian   Jun-30-05 07:50 PM   #69 
  - NOTICE, THAT NOT ONE PERSON, INCLUDING ME, VOTED THIS UP !!!  WillyT   Jun-30-05 10:49 PM   #74 
  - I'm ashamed to admit it, but I was trying to keep the black man down  AchtungToddler   Jul-01-05 07:54 PM   #84 
  - There's alot of dark history  mmonk   Jun-30-05 11:07 PM   #78 
  - I know you live in Miami where blacks have never had it easy  RagingInMiami   Jun-30-05 11:17 PM   #79 
  - I think it's a normal reaction  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-01-05 02:09 AM   #80 
 

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