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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:36 PM
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13. I've seen DK speak twice, actually..
Dean twice and Kerry once, FWIW.

I admit Dean got my attention because of his Bush-bashing. (He got everyone's attention that way -- some liked it, some didn't.)
But I never assumed he was a progressive/liberal/whatever. The media are, well, the media. They say what they want.

I educated myself and choose to support him because I appreciate his pragmatism, his willingness to compromise, and the fact that he doesn't take the progressive vote for granted, or call us loonies or fringe activist elites.

Look, I like DK. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he got the nomination. But I like Dean's pragmatism, in a president, better than I like DK's idealism. Idealism is great, but I think he'd be better in House leadership. Nothing personal, just a preference.
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  -"a Dean supporter is a Democrat who hasn't heard Dennis speak" directinfection  Sep-24-03 06:26 PM   #0 
  - Dean is more centrist--which I like  forradalom   Sep-24-03 06:29 PM   #1 
  - The earlier you compromise, the more centrist you become  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-24-03 07:19 PM   #39 
     - Centrists have ideas too, y'know.  poskonig   Sep-24-03 08:43 PM   #46 
        - centrists only have one idea  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-24-03 08:50 PM   #47 
           - Centrists have many well defined positions.  poskonig   Sep-24-03 08:55 PM   #50 
           - a prolife pro social security voter is not a centrist  WhoCountsTheVotes   Sep-24-03 09:23 PM   #52 
              - youre right thats no moderate  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 09:58 PM   #55 
           - I believe Lieberman sued Allstate when he was CT Attorney General  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-24-03 09:58 PM   #56 
           - Dean's sponsors are the people  Eloriel   Sep-24-03 10:04 PM   #59 
  - I've heard Dennis speak.  orangepeel68   Sep-24-03 06:30 PM   #2 
  - So have I  dansolo   Sep-24-03 08:41 PM   #45 
     - Ditto  Pavlovs DiOgie   Sep-24-03 09:51 PM   #53 
        - uh....mega-dittos? I like Kucinich.....  virtualobserver   Sep-25-03 08:40 AM   #79 
  - I dunno  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 06:31 PM   #3 
  - Continue to be stubborn...  w13rd0   Sep-24-03 06:34 PM   #8 
  - thanks but it just bugs the hell of me  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 06:35 PM   #11 
  - if anything...  directinfection   Sep-24-03 06:55 PM   #22 
  - Well, if it makes you feel better  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-24-03 09:59 PM   #57 
  - I lived for two years in Kucinich's district  dsc   Sep-24-03 06:33 PM   #4 
  - Also from the John Nichols article...  zidzi   Sep-24-03 06:33 PM   #5 
  - I was a Dean Supporter when Dennis  zidzi   Sep-24-03 06:56 PM   #23 
  - I've heard Dennis speak and I love alot of what he says  CMT   Sep-24-03 06:33 PM   #6 
  - Same here  goobergunch   Sep-24-03 06:35 PM   #10 
  - That's a bit patronizing.  bezdomny   Sep-24-03 06:33 PM   #7 
  - im sorry  directinfection   Sep-24-03 06:50 PM   #20 
  - on abortion  directinfection   Sep-24-03 06:59 PM   #25 
  - Wrong!  mandyky   Sep-24-03 06:34 PM   #9 
  - Risk???  Uzybone   Sep-24-03 06:35 PM   #12 
  - he has taken risks in the past  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 06:37 PM   #15 
  - how so?  directinfection   Sep-24-03 07:09 PM   #32 
  - I've seen DK speak twice, actually..  eyesroll   Sep-24-03 06:36 PM   #13 
  - ...  directinfection   Sep-24-03 06:46 PM   #17 
  - I get it too but  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 06:49 PM   #18 
     - no kidding  directinfection   Sep-24-03 06:53 PM   #21 
        - some day  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 06:56 PM   #24 
        - the press bugs me  directinfection   Sep-24-03 07:02 PM   #27 
        - Graham? damn  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 07:04 PM   #28 
        - I see your frustration  JNelson6563   Sep-24-03 08:41 PM   #44 
        - of course I am idealistic but you gotta understand  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 08:51 PM   #48 
        - Well  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:17 PM   #86 
           - Me and you think alike DI  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:27 PM   #90 
        - You're sick of waiting? How old are you again?  Eloriel   Sep-24-03 10:16 PM   #64 
        - I mean history and yeah I am young but goddamnit  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 10:31 PM   #67 
        - you said  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:07 PM   # 
           - He lives modestly too  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:29 PM   #92 
        - When forced to.  JVS   Sep-25-03 09:04 PM   #83 
  - I'd like to see DK run for Senate  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-24-03 10:07 PM   #60 
     - I bet he would too but I have my hopes on the presidency  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 10:12 PM   #63 
        - i think  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:26 PM   #89 
  - I've heard Dennis  clar   Sep-24-03 06:36 PM   #14 
  - For my money, a Dean supporter is a Democrat who  Eloriel   Sep-24-03 06:41 PM   #16 
  - I totally agree.  sham   Sep-24-03 07:16 PM   #36 
  - so if we lose  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:28 PM   #91 
     - I dont know either I think this is everyone's moment  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:31 PM   #94 
  - "..the entrance to the great liberal paradise I envision in my fantasies."  returnable   Sep-25-03 08:30 AM   #78 
     - hes so shrewd  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:29 PM   #93 
     - I dont get people when they say I am an outsider  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:32 PM   #95 
  - Democrat Dean supporter that has heard Dennis speak  quaker bill   Sep-24-03 06:49 PM   #19 
  - I know ...after the Dem nominee wins then there will be another  zidzi   Sep-24-03 07:00 PM   #26 
  - Good points, quaker bill  Eloriel   Sep-24-03 10:25 PM   #65 
  - i have heard DK, but prefer Dean  pansypoo53219   Sep-24-03 07:07 PM   #29 
  - ummm huh?  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 07:13 PM   #34 
  - yeah but  directinfection   Sep-24-03 07:16 PM   #37 
  - Geez-oh-man  eileen from OH   Sep-24-03 07:08 PM   #30 
  - Didnt he get a commendtion from the Cleveland city council  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 07:14 PM   #35 
  - I've heard Dennis speak plenty  manco   Sep-24-03 07:09 PM   #31 
  - I like DK  jiacinto   Sep-24-03 07:11 PM   #33 
  - I heart Dennis but...  Romberry   Sep-24-03 07:19 PM   #38 
  - Many Dean supporters really like Kucinich but suffer from terminal  stickdog   Sep-24-03 07:57 PM   #40 
  - That's exactly my affliction.  ryharrin   Sep-24-03 09:02 PM   #51 
  - Kucinich is far too radical for me  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-24-03 08:19 PM   #41 
  - When you say swing voter  Zorra   Sep-25-03 12:03 AM   #76 
     - I have voted for good Republicans, and there are some  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-25-03 08:41 AM   #80 
  - so true  goodhue   Sep-24-03 08:21 PM   #42 
  - Dean supporters are the ones who aren't listening to the media  dansolo   Sep-24-03 08:40 PM   #43 
  - my problem  directinfection   Sep-24-03 11:41 PM   #72 
  - I've seen Dennis speak for several years.  poskonig   Sep-24-03 08:51 PM   #49 
  - I've heard Dennis speak  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-24-03 09:54 PM   #54 
  - I don't agree with you on that comment  Closer   Sep-24-03 10:04 PM   #58 
  - no  dean4america   Sep-24-03 10:07 PM   #61 
  - a radical centrist what is that if I may ask  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 10:09 PM   #62 
     - John  MuseRider   Sep-24-03 10:37 PM   #68 
        - I get the same  JohnKleeb   Sep-24-03 11:04 PM   #70 
        - Democrats are whiners!  directinfection   Sep-25-03 08:56 PM   #81 
  - only you, not the media, not the dlc can tell you who is the progressive  hedgetrimmer   Sep-24-03 10:28 PM   #66 
  - I Have Heard Him  REP   Sep-24-03 11:00 PM   #69 
  - Funny,  MuseRider   Sep-25-03 09:12 PM   #85 
  - LOL  DinoBoy   Sep-24-03 11:04 PM   #71 
  - Yeah yeah yeah... We're all just being duped...  TLM   Sep-24-03 11:46 PM   #73 
  - blah  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:00 PM   #82 
     - yes and I dont mind socialists  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:07 PM   #84 
        - if being a socialist  directinfection   Sep-25-03 09:21 PM   #87 
           - I prefer to stay and fight but I could leave  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 09:22 PM   #88 
  - No, I've seen them both speak in person, I support Dean  LSdemocrat   Sep-24-03 11:56 PM   #74 
  - I heard Dennis speak, and I heard him sing the national anthem at a debate  gully   Sep-24-03 11:58 PM   #75 
  - Untrue in my case. I've heard Dennis speak.  MercutioATC   Sep-25-03 08:12 AM   #77 
  - Yes Thoughts Hear  Upfront   Sep-25-03 10:03 PM   #96 
     - Aint gonna try to sway you but  JohnKleeb   Sep-25-03 10:06 PM   #97 
 

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