| 124. In its purest form that what it is! |
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Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 02:58 PM by davepc
thats why we have REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT so that the MINORITY gets a fair say and has a voice in the process and isn't steamrolled by the will of the majority.
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| -Liberal SCOTUS Justices Screwed The Home Owners |
stopbush |
Jun-23-05 11:46 AM |
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I agree 100% |
AX10 |
Jun-23-05 11:48 AM |
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On this particualr ruling, I prefer to put the blame where it |
stopbush |
Jun-23-05 11:51 AM |
#2 |
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The liberals on the court were right to support this |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:13 PM |
#8 |
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So long, private property, then. |
aeolian |
Jun-23-05 01:16 PM |
#9 |
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Private property is anti-democratic |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:20 PM |
#12 |
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That's how Magabe justifies it, too. |
elehhhhna |
Jun-23-05 01:24 PM |
#17 |
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Then you should really be against this friend. Consider this scenario |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 01:50 PM |
#50 |
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So one farmer should stand in the way of people that need homes? |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:55 PM |
#54 |
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so developers and bureaucrats should be able to push families out of |
aeolian |
Jun-23-05 02:10 PM |
#64 |
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THE PEOPLE should be able to push families out |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:15 PM |
#69 |
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You can't see how that could possibly go wrong? |
aeolian |
Jun-23-05 02:18 PM |
#72 |
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Why do you think we have social programs? |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:22 PM |
#75 |
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CitiCorp wanting to build an office building is now a "social program?" |
aeolian |
Jun-23-05 02:25 PM |
#80 |
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If it brings jobs and more tax money |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:28 PM |
#84 |
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"we support democracy" |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 02:36 PM |
#95 |
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But they answer to elected officials |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:40 PM |
#103 |
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Will you stop with this blather about Democracy |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:48 PM |
#112 |
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Democracy is NOT BLATHER |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:54 PM |
#119 |
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In its purest form that what it is! |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:58 PM |
#124 |
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Why not build cities populated entirely by corporate structures |
stopbush |
Jun-23-05 03:25 PM |
#137 |
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Hey, not to mention the "elected officials" from that district... |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 03:28 PM |
#139 |
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I support democracy |
TXlib |
Jun-23-05 06:07 PM |
#181 |
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They aren't necessarily opposed |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 07:31 PM |
#193 |
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Communism only works when everyone is emotionally vested in everybody else |
TXlib |
Jun-23-05 11:26 PM |
#200 |
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YOU'RE DAMNED STRAIGHT I REALIZE WHO I AM AGREEING WITH! |
Walt Starr |
Jun-23-05 07:53 PM |
#198 |
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Trouble with that concept friend is that it isn't THE PEOPLE |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 02:32 PM |
#89 |
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As an individaul, you don't like it, but we live in a democracy. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:38 PM |
#99 |
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put the issue up for a vote then |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:42 PM |
#108 |
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Wrong, we live in a Constitutinal REPUBLIC |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 02:47 PM |
#111 |
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This is also called "Democratic Underground" |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:57 PM |
#122 |
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Funny how as, according to you "Democracy wins" |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 03:37 PM |
#144 |
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You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.. |
T Town Jake |
Jun-23-05 03:39 PM |
#147 |
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It's funny how your vision of democracy resembles Soviet Russia |
TXlib |
Jun-23-05 06:06 PM |
#180 |
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LOL friend, you don't know a damn thing about me, |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 03:01 PM |
#128 |
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You keep saying it is up to the people to decide, but it is not. |
Rex |
Jun-23-05 06:15 PM |
#182 |
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The rules of our democracy are layed out by the Constitution. |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-23-05 06:24 PM |
#184 |
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Either you're an outright communist |
TXlib |
Jun-23-05 06:05 PM |
#179 |
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They're not bureaucrats. |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 02:41 PM |
#107 |
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Did you even read the post properly? |
GoneOffShore |
Jun-23-05 02:27 PM |
#83 |
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Of course I read the post. Either you support democracy or not. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:30 PM |
#86 |
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Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness (property) |
VTMechEngr |
Jun-23-05 02:33 PM |
#93 |
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Democrats stand for democracy |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:46 PM |
#109 |
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So, you support turning a 30% homeless rate into a 50% homeless rate. |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 02:48 PM |
#113 |
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Oh yeah, just wait |
ProgressiveFool |
Jun-23-05 04:59 PM |
#171 |
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Tyranny of the Majority eh? |
Heaven and Earth |
Jun-23-05 11:40 PM |
#202 |
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OMG! What a horrible concept. A farmer needing land for crops |
VTMechEngr |
Jun-23-05 02:32 PM |
#88 |
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Making special considerations for housing, agriculture... |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:17 PM |
#133 |
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Considering that I own such a farm, yes, I think that it is entirely fair |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 02:40 PM |
#104 |
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Its too bad we don't have fair or comprehensive planning policies. |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:29 PM |
#140 |
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I agree with you |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 03:41 PM |
#149 |
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Soooo |
Horse with no Name |
Jun-24-05 11:38 AM |
#212 |
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tyranny of the majority is anti-democratic too |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:32 PM |
#90 |
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I can't believe what I'm hearing! |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:52 PM |
#116 |
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Party of Democracy? |
GarySeven |
Jun-23-05 03:25 PM |
#138 |
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You don't even know the definition of "democracy" |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 03:47 PM |
#153 |
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You are an absolute NUT |
GarySeven |
Jun-23-05 03:52 PM |
#157 |
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the proper name for the tyranny of the majority is kleptocracy |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 03:38 PM |
#146 |
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Suddenly, the scene in Dr Zhivago where 200 people are |
stopbush |
Jun-23-05 03:21 PM |
#134 |
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Really? |
davekriss |
Jun-23-05 05:50 PM |
#176 |
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"Private Property is anti-democratic" is the same concept that... |
AX10 |
Jun-23-05 06:37 PM |
#186 |
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Then you apparently agree with all the conservatives |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 07:34 PM |
#194 |
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Private property guarantees democracy ! |
eagler |
Jun-24-05 05:22 AM |
#206 |
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Ugh |
FreedomAngel82 |
Jun-23-05 01:47 PM |
#47 |
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Tax the rich then. |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 01:28 PM |
#25 |
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Property owners are the rich |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:31 PM |
#30 |
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Anyone who makes mortgage payments is *NOT* "rich"... |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 01:35 PM |
#33 |
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thank you, you took the words out of my mouth.n/t |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:08 PM |
#61 |
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this won't effect the Rich |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 01:39 PM |
#36 |
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Relative to the poor, they are the rich. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:43 PM |
#40 |
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"the city does pay 'fair market value' to the land owner for property" |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 01:49 PM |
#49 |
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I grew up poor too, but I worked very hard for my modest home....... |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:25 PM |
#79 |
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And some don't even have a home. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:33 PM |
#92 |
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Your not making any sense....You have it all wrong. |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:37 PM |
#96 |
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Please explain how making the 30% homeless 50% homeless... |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 02:38 PM |
#100 |
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It isn't for the greater good. It just helps the rich get richer..... |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:40 PM |
#102 |
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From Each According to His Ability |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 03:40 PM |
#148 |
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It is a DEMOCRATIC |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 03:58 PM |
#160 |
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So is lynching, racism if the "majority" so decrees |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 04:46 PM |
#166 |
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To each according to his greed isn't communism |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-23-05 06:23 PM |
#183 |
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Fair market value = 10-20% of REAL fair market value |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 02:50 PM |
#114 |
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Said so much better than I ever could... |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 01:46 PM |
#44 |
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don't mention it |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:11 PM |
#66 |
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So I'm RICH! That's a laugher friend! |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 03:11 PM |
#132 |
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Everone with wealth thinks they "deserve it". Nice try. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 03:50 PM |
#155 |
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So you really believe |
Ron Mexico |
Jun-23-05 02:58 PM |
#125 |
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You must be absolutely CRAZY |
GarySeven |
Jun-23-05 02:58 PM |
#126 |
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Eminent domain should be reserved for PUBLIC uses of property-- |
eridani |
Jun-24-05 03:32 AM |
#203 |
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This is going to hurt us politically |
4_Legs_Good |
Jun-23-05 11:52 AM |
#3 |
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most of the people who post here will not be happy either |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 11:55 AM |
#5 |
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I'm happy. Taking this land means more collected in taxes. That's good. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:17 PM |
#10 |
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no---that is how communism works |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:20 PM |
#13 |
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Nope. It's about democracy and the greater good. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:24 PM |
#18 |
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wait until they fuck over someone you love |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:27 PM |
#21 |
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But the corp pays more in taxes to the city |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:36 PM |
#34 |
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we are a country of laws |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:45 PM |
#42 |
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Please don't alert this post... |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:00 PM |
#127 |
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It is "very instructive"...and quite right, at that. |
T Town Jake |
Jun-23-05 03:41 PM |
#150 |
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Wait .. what?? |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-23-05 04:18 PM |
#163 |
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That's not what I was getting at. |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 04:49 PM |
#167 |
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i don't believe property rights are absolute |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-24-05 06:53 AM |
#208 |
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selfish bastards |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 01:45 PM |
#43 |
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But he was right |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:05 PM |
#59 |
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Be very careful with that statement |
wuushew |
Jun-23-05 02:10 PM |
#63 |
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Not at all racist |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:17 PM |
#70 |
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Why was invading Amerika the only option for the Irish? |
wuushew |
Jun-23-05 02:24 PM |
#78 |
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John Wayne is burning in HELL with Adolf. |
AX10 |
Jun-23-05 06:49 PM |
#188 |
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he was right to absolutely no extent |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:14 PM |
#67 |
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If you're poor and hungry, you'll fight |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:19 PM |
#73 |
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Geez, you don't even know history do you! |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 03:22 PM |
#135 |
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You're the one that is ignorant of history |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 03:45 PM |
#151 |
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Funny guy, tell you what, can I go show these comments of yours |
MadHound |
Jun-23-05 04:59 PM |
#172 |
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Please avail yourself of his services. Don't just sit in your office. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 05:58 PM |
#177 |
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Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't |
0rganism |
Jun-23-05 02:24 PM |
#77 |
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Really? Come over to Fairfield Connecticut, GE hasn't.... |
AX10 |
Jun-23-05 06:52 PM |
#189 |
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This ISN'T about the greater good |
fujiyama |
Jun-23-05 01:33 PM |
#31 |
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Yes it is. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:40 PM |
#37 |
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Money for more social programs----Right........ |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:56 PM |
#120 |
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The words you're looking for are PUBLIC USE |
0rganism |
Jun-23-05 02:27 PM |
#82 |
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But collecting more in taxes is a form of PUBLIC USE |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 03:01 PM |
#129 |
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YOU DON'T KNOW that more taxes will be the result, |
0rganism |
Jun-23-05 03:22 PM |
#136 |
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It's been developed for high end condos |
GoneOffShore |
Jun-23-05 02:32 PM |
#91 |
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Liberalism means helping the INDIVIDUAL |
GarySeven |
Jun-23-05 03:07 PM |
#131 |
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Yeah well liberalism isn't enough. |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:59 PM |
#161 |
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Is this sarcasm? It must be... nt |
smartvoter |
Jun-23-05 01:21 PM |
#15 |
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let's hope so... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:22 PM |
#16 |
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Not sarcasm and not cold-hearted |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:28 PM |
#23 |
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luck? lucky to own a home? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:31 PM |
#29 |
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Yes, lucky. And lucky to own a business, too. Those are taken as well. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:46 PM |
#45 |
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this will need to be deleted |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:48 PM |
#48 |
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Don't give me the "all taxes are pass on" crud |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:02 PM |
#56 |
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yeah...corporations just absorb that |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 02:04 PM |
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well, no |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-23-05 01:51 PM |
#52 |
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a little esoteric for this discussion |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-23-05 01:56 PM |
#55 |
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absolutely wrong |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-23-05 02:09 PM |
#62 |
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the king owns his castle, the lord his manor |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:19 PM |
#74 |
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hardly |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-23-05 02:38 PM |
#98 |
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this law has the potential of creating a whole lot more |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:57 PM |
#123 |
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That's why it's called real estate |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:24 PM |
#76 |
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Dude, you have this all wrong........ |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:15 PM |
#68 |
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But big corps pay more in taxes. That's a fact. |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:26 PM |
#81 |
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No they don't........ |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:34 PM |
#94 |
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No they don't. Not proportionately. This is just silly. |
smartvoter |
Jun-23-05 11:38 PM |
#201 |
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I'm thinking it must be |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 01:52 PM |
#53 |
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unfortunately not |
noiretblu |
Jun-23-05 02:04 PM |
#58 |
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Fact is big corps make lots of money, therefore can pay more in taxes |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 02:07 PM |
#60 |
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they make lots of money, but they pay little in taxes......... |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:29 PM |
#85 |
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Agreed |
Hong Kong Cavalier |
Jun-23-05 02:46 PM |
#110 |
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enron certainly was a big corporation |
noiretblu |
Jun-23-05 04:09 PM |
#162 |
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except of course... that often such projects get huge tax breaks |
salin |
Jun-23-05 01:33 PM |
#32 |
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You are absolutely correct that incentives are expensive |
wuushew |
Jun-23-05 01:47 PM |
#46 |
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no it's how fascism works |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 01:43 PM |
#39 |
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They take the property to get more in tax money |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:51 PM |
#51 |
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Corporations are given huge tax breaks to move into a community. |
converted_democrat |
Jun-23-05 02:31 PM |
#87 |
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any extra tax money isn't going to social programs |
GreenArrow |
Jun-23-05 02:37 PM |
#97 |
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This had nothing to do with social programs |
dean_dem |
Jun-23-05 03:30 PM |
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I agree completely |
Indy Lurker |
Jun-23-05 07:06 PM |
#191 |
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delete: my send button's a little trigger-happy |
dean_dem |
Jun-23-05 03:30 PM |
#141 |
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Karl? That you? I've got Engels on the phone. Lenin says hi! |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:38 PM |
#101 |
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You're talking to the wrong Karl, if you read closely. |
pgh_dem |
Jun-23-05 05:23 PM |
#175 |
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I suppose you're calling me a freeper then |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 07:39 PM |
#195 |
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Jesus Christ, you are sooooo naive! |
dbaker41 |
Jun-23-05 07:50 PM |
#197 |
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but it also cleaves a wedge among republicans |
salin |
Jun-23-05 01:30 PM |
#27 |
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That's why I just can't understand why the supposed "liberal" judges |
ComerPerro |
Jun-23-05 01:19 PM |
#11 |
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More public services provided with more tax money |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:21 PM |
#14 |
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The trend in business taxation has been a downward race to the bottom |
wuushew |
Jun-23-05 01:27 PM |
#22 |
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More business mean more tax money to collect |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 01:30 PM |
#28 |
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Yeah, I suppose that would be one rationale. But good luck collecting |
ComerPerro |
Jun-23-05 01:37 PM |
#35 |
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I think they were being strict constitutionalists and defining the term |
4_Legs_Good |
Jun-23-05 01:40 PM |
#38 |
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Thanks for an actual answer and not just hot rhetoric |
ComerPerro |
Jun-23-05 01:43 PM |
#41 |
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I agree halfway |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-23-05 02:02 PM |
#57 |
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Because "liberal" judges advocate an open interpretation of the Constituti |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:51 PM |
#115 |
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it's feeble minded - proof that there needs to be judicial term limits |
sui generis |
Jun-23-05 11:55 AM |
#4 |
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spot on post. thank you. nt |
antfarm |
Jun-23-05 12:46 PM |
#6 |
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I feel sick, i agreed with Scalia. |
SeekerofTruth |
Jun-23-05 01:03 PM |
#7 |
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I have agreed with Thomas twice this month! |
Mitt Chovick |
Jun-23-05 01:24 PM |
#19 |
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So there are only four conservative justices on the SC? |
redqueen |
Jun-23-05 01:26 PM |
#20 |
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I'm not sure which is worse ... |
Eastside Blue |
Jun-23-05 01:28 PM |
#24 |
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It's strange |
fujiyama |
Jun-23-05 01:29 PM |
#26 |
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Exact same reaction when I read the story this morning |
bunkerbuster1 |
Jun-23-05 03:07 PM |
#130 |
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You may be with them... But, for entirely different reasons. |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 03:35 PM |
#142 |
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maybe they draw straws on who will be liberal and who will be... |
tandem5 |
Jun-23-05 02:11 PM |
#65 |
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Only RETHUGS would support this ruling! |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-23-05 02:18 PM |
#71 |
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Only corporatist support it |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 02:40 PM |
#106 |
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Correctomundo |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 02:53 PM |
#117 |
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No, this mad grab for tax base is a result of G.O.P. tax policies |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:38 PM |
#145 |
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States are free to increase their own income taxes |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 07:30 PM |
#192 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-23-05 02:40 PM |
#105 |
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There is no representation of middle America anywhere in our Government. |
Prag |
Jun-23-05 02:53 PM |
#118 |
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The issue of property rights is only one dimension. |
tandem5 |
Jun-23-05 03:49 PM |
#154 |
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Simple .. a proper liberal |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-23-05 03:53 PM |
#158 |
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:( this is scarily fascistic. |
FizzFuzz |
Jun-23-05 02:57 PM |
#121 |
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The point is holding the line on so-called property rights |
LawDem |
Jun-23-05 03:37 PM |
#143 |
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TOTALLY Agree. SCOTUS made a hard but correct decision. |
cprise |
Jun-23-05 03:46 PM |
#152 |
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What you say is absolutely true, BUT |
GarySeven |
Jun-23-05 03:51 PM |
#156 |
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There can be a fair balance between private property and societal good |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 03:54 PM |
#159 |
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Socialism, my ass! |
eridani |
Jun-24-05 03:53 AM |
#205 |
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I'm a homeowner, and I agree |
Pithlet |
Jun-23-05 04:29 PM |
#165 |
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Nobody wants to abolish eliminate domain |
davepc |
Jun-23-05 04:54 PM |
#170 |
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Actually, I don't want to scare anyone, |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-23-05 05:06 PM |
#173 |
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It's definitely not something that should be done on a whim |
Pithlet |
Jun-23-05 06:31 PM |
#185 |
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I understand that |
Pithlet |
Jun-23-05 05:07 PM |
#174 |
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In this case, Pfizer wants to built a new corporate complex... |
AX10 |
Jun-23-05 06:42 PM |
#187 |
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That is wrong |
Pithlet |
Jun-23-05 07:53 PM |
#199 |
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with respect |
TexasUnderground |
Jun-23-05 04:52 PM |
#168 |
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that "bump in the road" to property rights... |
NorthernSpy |
Jun-23-05 06:00 PM |
#178 |
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Name removed |
Jun-23-05 04:27 PM |
#164 |
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This part of what you said is BS |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-23-05 04:52 PM |
#169 |
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How's this tied to the "takings clause" debate in general? |
Cell Whitman |
Jun-23-05 06:59 PM |
#190 |
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Easy to see the logic of it |
blurp |
Jun-23-05 07:48 PM |
#196 |
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There is nothing wrong with eminent domain-- |
eridani |
Jun-24-05 03:38 AM |
#204 |
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Uh, have NONE of you guys figured out... |
Ferretherder |
Jun-24-05 05:58 AM |
#207 |
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no doubt...but he is fun n/t |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jun-24-05 06:56 AM |
#209 |
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It's like a time machine back to 8th grade govenrment class |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Jun-24-05 07:36 AM |
#210 |
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Agreed. |
Sushi-Lover |
Jun-24-05 11:29 AM |
#211 |
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