Reply #127: Anti-Christian Dems Also Have to Learn How to Talk, Not Just Attack

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To be honest, I think this is yet another highly unimpressive Dean comment, right up there with all the "Nobody I know likes abortion," "They put us in the position of having to defend abortion," etc., stupid remarks, that seem "tough" and "honest," but when you think about it, don't seem to really be advancing anything important, at the cost of so much in-fighting. As some people have noted, Dean is apparently not as liberal and progressive as you might believe or want. I do not, though, criticize Dean and jump on that bandwagon. There was a really good comment, though, on one of the threads here (General-Politics) "What's wrong with pointing out that the Democratic Party is a melting pot?" from the 4th poster, HawkerHurricane, that because Dean specifically named the groups--"white" and "Christian"--as "Republicans," that "meant" that we Democrats are the "ANTI" "white Christian"/"Republican" Party, a disaster. Then you have to try to explain what you really meant, as the Republican media encourages the false impression. Somebody should get Dean away from the corporate "framing" consultants, and teach Dean how to talk, and by the way, stop antagonizing women.

We have to move past the era just ending, and adopt a new attitude toward a lot of things. As many people have noticed, there is a vicious hate on this website for Christians, they are allowed to get away with it, the slander is left standing, and other Democrats reading this can guess their own fate here. Democratic religious people--Christians, other religions, mixes of things, searchers who don't want to be identified with any group or name--from everything I have read from posters here, etc., are such a thoughtful, varied group, that this should have been a rich and constructive subject to explore, and also an attractive feature of our group, that we are the moral/spiritual thinkers who really try to find answers to things, and for whom religion is actually important, unlike the act that Republican male corporatists put on. Instead, you get this one group of total assholes who hide behind each other, attack as a group, and then, like fascists, censor you completely and try to get you silenced, and THEN go ON viciously attacking you. I have never tried to get anyone's post deleted; the anti-Christian mob, (so "oppressed") does all the time; you decide the threat. When they treat an ordinary liberal Christian as if we are the "persecuting genocidal agent of the theocracy," and your messages are deleted, not theirs, then anyone reading this site will conclude, "They hate us no matter what we really are, they will not allow me to live and express myself either." With all the "anti-heirarchical" religious people here who could have given a beautiful expression of religious faith--all squelched.

When these threads do not even honestly get into the meaning and concept of how people are thinking, but instead always, only, censor one side and do not allow it to critcize the hateful, lying attacks of the other, then do not stop those attacks by the other, privileged group, don't be surprised if people notice only your preference. They know you take sides, and that there is nothing useful to be learned from you.

I am old enough to remember when an attack exposing the hypocrisy of white people, Christians, "the middle-of-the-road," etc., was really brave and even exciting to hear. Those days are long gone, and an attempt has to be made to distinguish between people who only appear to be members of the same group. A more conciliatory attitude is needed, more perceptive and accepting, saving the attacks for the true enemy (Republicans, capitalists, bigoted males, whites, "theocrats,"etc.). An example might be the protests against the war. If you remember Viet Nam, you may remember that when the soldiers came home, disgraced and hated, they were actually spit on and had things thrown at them by protesters, who called them "baby killers," (just the way anti-abortionists do--standard term). It is painful and ugly to think back to. They don't do that anymore, but have a more understanding, inclusive attitude, having learned. Now they praise and respect those who serve, and attack the policy of certain wars. You learn.

We Democrats are actually on a higher level of thinking and could be a model for things--how to solve problems, conduct government ethically, get along and treat each other during debates, etc. It has to be solved here, or apparently you "prove" that it can't be solved.