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Sun Sep-21-03 01:08 PM
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| 92. Of course bush and his cronies |
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Edited on Sun Sep-21-03 01:54 PM by salin
ignored all sorts of intelligence warnings - including from day one of the transition. They shelved anti-terrorism efforts - and put Cheney in charge. Cheney, being too busy with his other task force (the energy 'paybackdonors' task force), didn't hold a single meeting prior to 911. Even after the intel briefing on teh Pheonix memo, even after the intel briefing on Minnesota. Even after the chatter got so loud that Ashcroft was told not to fly commercial. Even Ashcroft dropped the priority of the DOJ (and thus FBI) on antiterrorism efforts from the level under Clinton that in his budget priorities it wasn't even in the top 10 areas (it was high up by the end of the Clinton admin, btw) in his budget request of early September 2001 (even after all of the above mentioned).
Given that context - a level of denial, incompetence or "other priorities" it is not surprising that this administration failed to prevent 911. They were too busy fundraising. Too busy trying to kill Kyoto. Too busy trying to gut energy regulation. Too busy fighting Gray Davis in California over the energy crisis. Too busy trying to gut worker safety rules, agriculture safety rules, and environmental rules.
I think it is no predictor of whether another administration could prevent a future event.
Indeed, I think anyone of the current democratic candidates would do a better job on this front as others - as they are concerned about the people rather than simply making life more lucrative for their business cronies/political sponsors.
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Sep-21-03 08:08 AM |
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people aren't buying the Bush\Rove nonsense any more |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:14 AM |
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Sep-21-03 08:18 AM |
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I understand your fear..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:27 AM |
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And then thousands of Americans |
realpolitik |
Sep-21-03 08:17 AM |
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that's pointless |
Sagan |
Sep-21-03 08:17 AM |
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Sep-21-03 08:21 AM |
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why would any candidate fare differently? including Kerry AND Clark? |
Sagan |
Sep-21-03 08:23 AM |
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maybe because they faught in Nam instead of Skiing in Aspen? |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 08:54 AM |
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Sadly, even heroically losing limbs in Vietnam |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:13 AM |
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Yeah, in Georgia, which is more pro-Bush than the country as a whole |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 11:23 AM |
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Two points |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:52 AM |
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no, Dean will raise taxes on the middle and working class |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 05:44 PM |
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Remember that Cleland "lost" after GA went to computer voting. |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-21-03 11:56 AM |
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Of course he would. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:29 AM |
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Pete, it plays the same way no matter who gets nominated. |
ozymandius |
Sep-21-03 09:17 AM |
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Not Clark or Kerry... |
alg0912 |
Sep-21-03 08:24 AM |
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Correct |
Code_Name_D |
Sep-21-03 08:39 AM |
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Gosh Sagan. I didn't see you complaining about candidate-bashing here |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-21-03 08:46 AM |
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nor did he participate |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:15 AM |
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and your point is? |
Sagan |
Sep-21-03 08:08 PM |
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My point is that... |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-22-03 06:27 AM |
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I can understand that..... However.... |
Sagan |
Sep-22-03 09:20 AM |
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Pete |
indigo32 |
Sep-21-03 08:22 AM |
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Sep-21-03 08:24 AM |
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That must be why |
ComerPerro |
Sep-21-03 08:29 AM |
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Sep-21-03 08:41 AM |
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and the latest polls indicate that Americans like that U.N troops idea. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:46 AM |
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Dean can also state that he did not give Bush a blank check for war |
ComerPerro |
Sep-21-03 08:50 AM |
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Please read |
Donna Zen |
Sep-21-03 09:14 AM |
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Im not saying its rock solid |
ComerPerro |
Sep-21-03 09:21 AM |
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I'm sorry but I've seen nothing in Kerry |
indigo32 |
Sep-21-03 08:32 AM |
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Kerry has Bob Shrum at the helm..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:52 AM |
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Didn't Cleland also vore to for the war resolution? |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:16 AM |
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The Rove machine will play dirty pool no matter who gets nommed |
Enraged_Ape |
Sep-21-03 08:22 AM |
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you overestimate Rove and underestimate Dean |
CMT |
Sep-21-03 08:27 AM |
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Kerry Strategy: Cave Early and Often |
OrdinaryTa |
Sep-21-03 08:34 AM |
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and it will be 100 times easier with Dean |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 08:41 AM |
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That shift is taking place |
clar |
Sep-21-03 09:14 AM |
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'not going well' is different than thinking decision was wrong to invade |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 09:20 AM |
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Beg to differ |
connor |
Sep-21-03 09:51 AM |
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Bombtrack is betting on Bush succeeding in Iraq... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 10:01 AM |
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I'm betting on America, Britain, and co succeeding |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 05:56 PM |
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I just think that there is no hope of success |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:14 PM |
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I agree. Here's why |
Enraged American |
Sep-21-03 08:29 AM |
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Boy, is that true |
ablbodyed |
Sep-21-03 08:47 AM |
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You make a good point |
newsjunkie |
Sep-21-03 08:34 AM |
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If no one takes the nomination.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:37 AM |
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Thats a scary thought for Rove and Bush |
newsjunkie |
Sep-21-03 08:48 AM |
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I am not certain Hillary would win. |
Fabio |
Sep-21-03 09:20 AM |
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Anyone |
clar |
Sep-21-03 09:16 AM |
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agreed - that would mobilize a base |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:19 AM |
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There are other factors to consider |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Sep-21-03 08:35 AM |
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Rove, TNR, the Weekly Standard, have all revealed he's the dream candidate |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 08:35 AM |
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they would never reveal their actual "dream candidate". |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 08:39 AM |
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Exactly... |
newsjunkie |
Sep-21-03 08:45 AM |
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you'll believe whatever suits your purpouses |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 09:04 AM |
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So they are actually afraid of people like Sharpton getting the nom? |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 08:50 AM |
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and who do the "politically savvy" people support..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 09:26 AM |
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democrats or republicans? |
Bombtrack |
Sep-21-03 09:42 AM |
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we shall see. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 09:47 AM |
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??? |
connor |
Sep-21-03 10:05 AM |
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As a gay man.. |
ablbodyed |
Sep-21-03 08:51 AM |
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Don't think that way.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 09:19 AM |
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But, do you think the voters who would have this |
salin |
Sep-21-03 11:20 AM |
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What a bigoted post! |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-21-03 11:39 AM |
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Sep-21-03 11:40 AM |
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Crazy software made my post echo & won't allow me to edit out |
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Sep-21-03 11:44 AM |
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Sep-21-03 11:40 AM |
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That's the RNC recipe to destroy any Democrat in 2004 |
charlie |
Sep-21-03 08:45 AM |
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Is there Anything New here? |
EagleEye |
Sep-21-03 08:46 AM |
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Sep-21-03 08:47 AM |
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Kerry is SOunding like . . . |
EagleEye |
Sep-21-03 08:50 AM |
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Kerry is right about one thing.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 09:28 AM |
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as long as we're imagining |
muchacho |
Sep-21-03 08:54 AM |
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Actually, no... |
Darranar |
Sep-21-03 08:55 AM |
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Hi Pete, |
clar |
Sep-21-03 09:03 AM |
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Who politics |
Donna Zen |
Sep-21-03 09:07 AM |
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Pete, just fill in the blank [your favorite candidate's name here]... |
PAMod |
Sep-21-03 09:07 AM |
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shrill and silly |
PATRICK |
Sep-21-03 09:10 AM |
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a "what-if" scenario is not a strong argument |
disgruntella |
Sep-21-03 09:11 AM |
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Fear of Rove spin - |
bitchkitty |
Sep-21-03 09:16 AM |
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Two words: Max Cleland |
orangepeel68 |
Sep-21-03 10:16 AM |
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good point |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 10:24 AM |
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Cleland Supported the War |
OrdinaryTa |
Sep-21-03 10:29 AM |
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I won't defend that vote |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 10:41 AM |
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Three words about Cleland's defeat: Black Box Voting n/t |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-21-03 11:50 AM |
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yeah, after years and years of accuracy...... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 11:52 AM |
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Well... |
gully |
Sep-21-03 10:23 AM |
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Anyone we nominate is going to beat bush. I think it will be even |
zidzi |
Sep-21-03 11:09 AM |
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I don't agree |
orangepeel68 |
Sep-21-03 11:20 AM |
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Do you suppose |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-21-03 11:47 AM |
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Sep-21-03 12:06 PM |
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I disagree |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-21-03 02:56 PM |
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blah to your post |
newsguyatl |
Sep-21-03 11:48 AM |
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Sep-21-03 12:10 PM |
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"Can Dean stop the next 9/11?" |
pengpong |
Sep-21-03 12:02 PM |
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Of course bush and his cronies |
salin |
Sep-21-03 01:08 PM |
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the "Dean will raise retirement age" scare ads, |
SEAburb |
Sep-21-03 12:09 PM |
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Dean's quick and smart enough to counter those lies in a New |
zidzi |
Sep-21-03 12:46 PM |
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You really cant counter |
Fabio |
Sep-21-03 01:45 PM |
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I disagree with your premise..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-21-03 01:49 PM |
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My premise is not that |
Fabio |
Sep-21-03 11:29 PM |
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Kick |
SEAburb |
Sep-21-03 12:46 PM |
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I think that gives Rove/Bush way too much credit |
deutsey |
Sep-21-03 01:31 PM |
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It's One Possible Scenario |
HPLeft |
Sep-21-03 07:47 PM |
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Say hello to President Dole |
dsc |
Sep-21-03 11:34 PM |
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You are relying on a false assumptions |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-22-03 09:04 AM |
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I disagree with ya Pete! |
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Sep-22-03 06:44 AM |
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