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connor Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #54
61. Beg to differ
From MWO's report on the latest CBS polling...

"Fewer than half of Americans (43%) think the war was worth the loss of life and other costs, the lowest number yet in CBS News polls, while more (47%) think it was not worth the costs. Last month, the public was evenly split on this question."

That's still a plurality, not yet a majority, but the direction of public opinion is evident. Even if Bush and Rove pull Osama and Saddam out of their pockets between now and election day, all it would take is one more terrorist bombing somewhere in the world to remind Americans that gee, this ain't no John Wayne movie, and things aren't magically better because you "got the bad guy."

The problem with the Republican strategy is that you can't scare people into blind panic forever. It's a two-edged, time-sensitive sword. The public may turn to the current administration for security from fear at first (irrational as that may actually be, given the fact that the situation represents a failure on the administration's part, it does make immediate emotional sense: you hide in the bunker you've got)...but time passes. If people stop feeling insecure, they'll vote their wallets. And if they still feel insecure, they'll finally blame the people in charge for not doing enough about changing that.

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  -Deleted message Name removed  Sep-21-03 08:08 AM   #0 
  - people aren't buying the Bush\Rove nonsense any more  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:14 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:18 AM   #4 
     - I understand your fear.....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:27 AM   #12 
  - And then thousands of Americans  realpolitik   Sep-21-03 08:17 AM   #2 
  - that's pointless  Sagan   Sep-21-03 08:17 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:21 AM   #5 
  - why would any candidate fare differently? including Kerry AND Clark?  Sagan   Sep-21-03 08:23 AM   #8 
  - maybe because they faught in Nam instead of Skiing in Aspen?  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 08:54 AM   #40 
     - Sadly, even heroically losing limbs in Vietnam  salin   Sep-21-03 11:13 AM   #70 
        - Yeah, in Georgia, which is more pro-Bush than the country as a whole  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 11:23 AM   #76 
           - Two points  salin   Sep-21-03 11:52 AM   #84 
           - no, Dean will raise taxes on the middle and working class  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 05:44 PM   #97 
           - Remember that Cleland "lost" after GA went to computer voting.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-21-03 11:56 AM   #86 
  - Of course he would.  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:29 AM   #14 
  - Pete, it plays the same way no matter who gets nominated.  ozymandius   Sep-21-03 09:17 AM   #52 
  - Not Clark or Kerry...  alg0912   Sep-21-03 08:24 AM   #9 
  - Correct  Code_Name_D   Sep-21-03 08:39 AM   #23 
  - Gosh Sagan. I didn't see you complaining about candidate-bashing here  NNN0LHI   Sep-21-03 08:46 AM   #29 
     - nor did he participate  salin   Sep-21-03 11:15 AM   #71 
     - and your point is?  Sagan   Sep-21-03 08:08 PM   #100 
        - My point is that...  NNN0LHI   Sep-22-03 06:27 AM   #104 
           - I can understand that..... However....  Sagan   Sep-22-03 09:20 AM   #107 
  - Pete  indigo32   Sep-21-03 08:22 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:24 AM   #10 
     - That must be why  ComerPerro   Sep-21-03 08:29 AM   #13 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:41 AM   #25 
        - and the latest polls indicate that Americans like that U.N troops idea.  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:46 AM   #28 
        - Dean can also state that he did not give Bush a blank check for war  ComerPerro   Sep-21-03 08:50 AM   #35 
           - Please read  Donna Zen   Sep-21-03 09:14 AM   #49 
              - Im not saying its rock solid  ComerPerro   Sep-21-03 09:21 AM   #56 
     - I'm sorry but I've seen nothing in Kerry  indigo32   Sep-21-03 08:32 AM   #16 
     - Kerry has Bob Shrum at the helm.....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:52 AM   #38 
     - Didn't Cleland also vore to for the war resolution?  salin   Sep-21-03 11:16 AM   #72 
  - The Rove machine will play dirty pool no matter who gets nommed  Enraged_Ape   Sep-21-03 08:22 AM   #7 
  - you overestimate Rove and underestimate Dean  CMT   Sep-21-03 08:27 AM   #11 
  - Kerry Strategy: Cave Early and Often  OrdinaryTa   Sep-21-03 08:34 AM   #17 
  - and it will be 100 times easier with Dean  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 08:41 AM   #24 
     - That shift is taking place  clar   Sep-21-03 09:14 AM   #48 
        - 'not going well' is different than thinking decision was wrong to invade  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 09:20 AM   #54 
           - Beg to differ  connor   Sep-21-03 09:51 AM   #61 
              - Bombtrack is betting on Bush succeeding in Iraq...  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 10:01 AM   #62 
                 - I'm betting on America, Britain, and co succeeding  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 05:56 PM   #98 
                    - I just think that there is no hope of success  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:14 PM   #101 
  - I agree. Here's why  Enraged American   Sep-21-03 08:29 AM   #15 
  - Boy, is that true  ablbodyed   Sep-21-03 08:47 AM   #31 
  - You make a good point  newsjunkie   Sep-21-03 08:34 AM   #18 
  - If no one takes the nomination....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:37 AM   #21 
  - Thats a scary thought for Rove and Bush  newsjunkie   Sep-21-03 08:48 AM   #33 
     - I am not certain Hillary would win.  Fabio   Sep-21-03 09:20 AM   #55 
  - Anyone  clar   Sep-21-03 09:16 AM   #51 
     - agreed - that would mobilize a base  salin   Sep-21-03 11:19 AM   #73 
  - There are other factors to consider  ayeshahaqqiqa   Sep-21-03 08:35 AM   #19 
  - Rove, TNR, the Weekly Standard, have all revealed he's the dream candidate  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 08:35 AM   #20 
  - they would never reveal their actual "dream candidate".  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 08:39 AM   #22 
  - Exactly...  newsjunkie   Sep-21-03 08:45 AM   #26 
  - you'll believe whatever suits your purpouses  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 09:04 AM   #43 
  - So they are actually afraid of people like Sharpton getting the nom?  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 08:50 AM   #36 
     - and who do the "politically savvy" people support.....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 09:26 AM   #57 
        - democrats or republicans?  Bombtrack   Sep-21-03 09:42 AM   #59 
           - we shall see.  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 09:47 AM   #60 
           - ???  connor   Sep-21-03 10:05 AM   #63 
  - As a gay man..  ablbodyed   Sep-21-03 08:51 AM   #37 
     - Don't think that way....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 09:19 AM   #53 
     - But, do you think the voters who would have this  salin   Sep-21-03 11:20 AM   #75 
     - What a bigoted post!  DemBones DemBones   Sep-21-03 11:39 AM   #77 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 11:40 AM   #78 
     - Crazy software made my post echo & won't allow me to edit out  DemBones DemBones   Sep-21-03 11:44 AM   #80 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 11:40 AM   #79 
  - That's the RNC recipe to destroy any Democrat in 2004  charlie   Sep-21-03 08:45 AM   #27 
  - Is there Anything New here?  EagleEye   Sep-21-03 08:46 AM   #30 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:47 AM   #32 
  - Kerry is SOunding like . . .  EagleEye   Sep-21-03 08:50 AM   #34 
  - Kerry is right about one thing....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 09:28 AM   #58 
  - as long as we're imagining  muchacho   Sep-21-03 08:54 AM   #39 
  - Actually, no...  Darranar   Sep-21-03 08:55 AM   #41 
  - Hi Pete,  clar   Sep-21-03 09:03 AM   #42 
  - Who politics  Donna Zen   Sep-21-03 09:07 AM   #44 
  - Pete, just fill in the blank [your favorite candidate's name here]...  PAMod   Sep-21-03 09:07 AM   #45 
  - shrill and silly  PATRICK   Sep-21-03 09:10 AM   #46 
  - a "what-if" scenario is not a strong argument  disgruntella   Sep-21-03 09:11 AM   #47 
  - Fear of Rove spin -  bitchkitty   Sep-21-03 09:16 AM   #50 
  - Two words: Max Cleland  orangepeel68   Sep-21-03 10:16 AM   #64 
  - good point  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 10:24 AM   #66 
  - Cleland Supported the War  OrdinaryTa   Sep-21-03 10:29 AM   #67 
     - I won't defend that vote  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 10:41 AM   #68 
  - Three words about Cleland's defeat: Black Box Voting n/t  DemBones DemBones   Sep-21-03 11:50 AM   #83 
     - yeah, after years and years of accuracy......  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 11:52 AM   #85 
  - Well...  gully   Sep-21-03 10:23 AM   #65 
  - Anyone we nominate is going to beat bush. I think it will be even  zidzi   Sep-21-03 11:09 AM   #69 
  - I don't agree  orangepeel68   Sep-21-03 11:20 AM   #74 
  - Do you suppose  JNelson6563   Sep-21-03 11:47 AM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 12:06 PM   #88 
     - I disagree  JNelson6563   Sep-21-03 02:56 PM   #96 
  - blah to your post  newsguyatl   Sep-21-03 11:48 AM   #82 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 12:10 PM   #90 
  - "Can Dean stop the next 9/11?"  pengpong   Sep-21-03 12:02 PM   #87 
  - Of course bush and his cronies  salin   Sep-21-03 01:08 PM   #92 
  - the "Dean will raise retirement age" scare ads,  SEAburb   Sep-21-03 12:09 PM   #89 
  - Dean's quick and smart enough to counter those lies in a New  zidzi   Sep-21-03 12:46 PM   # 
     - You really cant counter  Fabio   Sep-21-03 01:45 PM   #94 
        - I disagree with your premise.....  virtualobserver   Sep-21-03 01:49 PM   #95 
           - My premise is not that  Fabio   Sep-21-03 11:29 PM   #102 
  - Kick  SEAburb   Sep-21-03 12:46 PM   #91 
  - I think that gives Rove/Bush way too much credit  deutsey   Sep-21-03 01:31 PM   #93 
  - It's One Possible Scenario  HPLeft   Sep-21-03 07:47 PM   #99 
  - Say hello to President Dole  dsc   Sep-21-03 11:34 PM   #103 
  - You are relying on a false assumptions  NNN0LHI   Sep-22-03 09:04 AM   #106 
  - I disagree with ya Pete!  0007   Sep-22-03 06:44 AM   #105 
 

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