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Sat Sep-20-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #154 |
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Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 03:21 PM by bpilgrim
could be
 though i was simply trying to charecterize your postion here and put it in perspective which certainly even you would agree is IN LINE with most of establishment and has we both have pointed out has been for a number of decades by now. anyways... i against that ideology, as if you couldn't tell, and wanted to make clear where i stand on this and simular issues. sorry, i certainly didn't mean to offend  peace |
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| -Deleted message | Name removed | Sep-20-03 09:46 AM | #0 |
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except for one thing |
DinoBoy | Sep-20-03 09:48 AM | #1 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed | Sep-20-03 09:54 AM | #3 |
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when you are handing over your power to someone |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 10:26 AM | #20 |
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A one-liner response |
sangha | Sep-20-03 11:27 AM | #38 |
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only the Congress has the constitutional power to declare war |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 11:45 AM | #42 |
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Another one-liner that explains nothing |
sangha | Sep-20-03 11:54 AM | #46 |
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you ignore reality.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:14 PM | #51 |
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Another one-liner that explains nothing |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:27 PM | #54 |
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Did Congress declare war? |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:42 PM | #61 |
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That's better |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:47 PM | #63 |
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no kidding.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:52 PM | #65 |
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Another one-liner |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:10 PM | #75 |
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Congress still has the power to declare war and pass legislation. |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:16 PM | #79 |
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Irrelevant and it makes no sense |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:28 PM | #87 |
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They handed the power over with the War Powers act. |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:47 PM | #97 |
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That makes no sense |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:50 PM | #99 |
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so let me get this straight |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:59 PM | #105 |
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Not straight |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:02 PM | #107 |
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not a personal attack |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:19 PM | #115 |
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Whatever. I'm not going to obsess over it |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:23 PM | #117 |
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once again you avoid the question.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:28 PM | #121 |
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What question is that? |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:29 PM | #123 |
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do you believe that a law that violates the Constitution .... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:40 PM | #126 |
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Yes, and it remains on the books as law of the land |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:43 PM | #129 |
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It does change the functional balance of power |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:48 PM | #135 |
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No it doesn't |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:50 PM | #139 |
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it doesn't grant him authority to declare war but it does grant such |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:03 PM | #108 |
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your point |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:08 PM | #110 |
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The Constitution only gives authority to CONGRESS to Declare War. |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:20 PM | #116 |
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So what? That's a straw man |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:28 PM | #122 |
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now the ACTUAL constitution is a 'straw man' when that is the TOPIC - lol |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:42 PM | #128 |
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You are being shameless here |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:46 PM | #133 |
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If there is no war declared....... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:43 PM | #130 |
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The same way TR, Truman, Ike and Johnson did.....nt |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:48 PM | #136 |
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unconstitutionally n/t |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:50 PM | #138 |
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Constitutionally |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:51 PM | #140 |
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give me a quote from the constitution where it states that..... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:53 PM | #143 |
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Article II, Section 2..................nt |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:54 PM | #144 |
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again... can you point to a section in the constitution that says the prez |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:58 PM | #147 |
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exactly, they were all guilty of not following the constitution as well |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:53 PM | #142 |
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So says you |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:54 PM | #145 |
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you won't quote it because it doesn't say it....... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:58 PM | #146 |
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It puts POTUS in charge of the military |
sangha | Sep-20-03 03:00 PM | #149 |
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1. No quote |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 03:05 PM | #151 |
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It's not a question of "OK or not OK" |
sangha | Sep-20-03 03:07 PM | #153 |
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can anyone else help SANGHA out here? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:12 PM | #157 |
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that STILL doesn't give him the AUTHORITY to DECLARE WAR. |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:09 PM | #155 |
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so now you are advocating for the SCOTUS to make it official? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:07 PM | #152 |
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Another straw man |
sangha | Sep-20-03 03:09 PM | #154 |
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what YOUR ideology? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:18 PM | #160 |
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but it really has been the rule of thumb since TRUMAN and we acepted the |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 12:56 PM | #71 |
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Yes and no. |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:12 PM | #77 |
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well it is certainly UNCONSTITUTIONAL |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 01:28 PM | #88 |
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It is constitutional |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:30 PM | #89 |
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can you point out where in the constitution it grants such powers then? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 01:42 PM | #94 |
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Article II, Section 2 |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:44 PM | #95 |
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that ONLY designates him COMMANDER and CHIEF of the armed services |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 01:57 PM | #104 |
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It's "Commander-IN-Chief" |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:05 PM | #109 |
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it STILL doesn't give him AUTHORITY to DECLARE WAR only CONGRESS |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:24 PM | #118 |
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Straw Man |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:29 PM | #124 |
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the president has the authority to wage war once it has been declared |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 02:44 PM | #132 |
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CINC can wage war without a DoW |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:48 PM | #134 |
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of COURSE he CAN but where does he draw his authority to do so? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:16 PM | #159 |
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that is actually a 'TREND' started with the TRUMAN admin (korea) - n/t |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 12:53 PM | #68 |
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Yes and no. |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:14 PM | #78 |
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it is certainly UNCONSTITUTIONAL no matter when it first occured... |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 01:33 PM | #90 |
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yes it is |
DinoBoy | Sep-20-03 12:53 PM | #67 |
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They were dealing with many of the same characters from Gulf War 1 |
blm | Sep-20-03 09:56 AM | #5 |
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This is such revisionist history it |
clar | Sep-20-03 09:54 AM | #2 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 09:56 AM | #4 |
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Pete, |
clar | Sep-20-03 10:04 AM | #7 |
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He never said that though |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 10:44 AM | #24 |
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Difference of opinion |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 10:23 AM | #18 |
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Pete has served up an ace here |
uptohere | Sep-20-03 10:02 AM | #6 |
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Iraq will be such a total disaster by Nov 2004..... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 10:08 AM | #9 |
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Another one-liner |
sangha | Sep-20-03 11:34 AM | #39 |
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you didn't read my post.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:45 PM | #62 |
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Another one-liner |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:50 PM | #64 |
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I wasn't trying to make an argument... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:10 PM | #76 |
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If you don't want to be misread |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:17 PM | # |
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if you misread my "one-liners".... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:20 PM | #85 |
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This war vote litmus test is driving me up a wall |
Sweetpea | Sep-20-03 10:07 AM | #8 |
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I'm not using it as a litmus test |
clar | Sep-20-03 10:11 AM | #12 |
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I went to a lot of anti war protests and still could understand the vote |
Sweetpea | Sep-20-03 10:17 AM | #14 |
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yeah, I'm surprised |
clar | Sep-20-03 10:23 AM | #17 |
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It's very clear |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 10:09 AM | #10 |
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Partial answer |
maxomai_vs_rove | Sep-20-03 10:09 AM | #11 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 10:38 AM | #23 |
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Good questions. |
sangha | Sep-20-03 11:50 AM | #43 |
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Our guys are still dying, Iraqi civilians are still dying. |
madfloridian | Sep-20-03 10:14 AM | #13 |
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anyone with a brain could see that Bush has hell bent on war. |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 10:17 AM | #15 |
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It doesn't change Iraq |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 11:03 AM | #33 |
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I don't believe that there was a solution to Iraq.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 11:14 AM | #35 |
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Agree/Disagree |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 11:24 AM | #36 |
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I agree that it couldn't go on forever.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 11:40 AM | #41 |
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Something was obvious to Kerry that you still miss |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:01 PM | #49 |
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The inspectors were in there inspecting. |
madfloridian | Sep-20-03 12:20 PM | #53 |
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One of us is misremebering the sequence of events |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:30 PM | #56 |
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Sangha is right |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 12:31 PM | #59 |
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Could congress have stopped Bush until the inspections finished? |
madfloridian | Sep-20-03 12:56 PM | #70 |
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The inspections hadn't started yet |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:19 PM | #82 |
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Bush getting off the hook |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 01:27 PM | #86 |
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You suspected |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 12:18 PM | #52 |
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I didn't just suspect, I was confident.... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:31 PM | #57 |
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It's important to me too |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 01:18 PM | #81 |
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Another one-liner |
sangha | Sep-20-03 11:58 AM | #48 |
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No, but |
clar | Sep-20-03 12:27 PM | #55 |
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And not one of them said Bush* was hell-bent on invading |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:32 PM | #60 |
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are you playing word games? |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 12:57 PM | #72 |
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No, are you? |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:34 PM | #91 |
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Here you go |
clar | Sep-20-03 01:17 PM | #80 |
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Not even close |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:37 PM | #92 |
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very close |
clar | Sep-20-03 01:51 PM | #100 |
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Not close at all |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:57 PM | #103 |
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Here |
clar | Sep-20-03 02:18 PM | #113 |
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Again, nothing about Bush* being determined to invade |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:24 PM | #119 |
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Yeah, Byrd explicitly says a rush to war |
clar | Sep-20-03 02:42 PM | #127 |
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So what? |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:49 PM | #137 |
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Please try to be honest |
clar | Sep-20-03 03:12 PM | #156 |
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your argument is a straw man |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 01:54 PM | #101 |
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Your argument is just a word game |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:00 PM | #106 |
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saying that Bush was "hell bent" on war was a logical deduction |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:14 PM | #112 |
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Make up your mind |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:18 PM | #114 |
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it was proven by his subsequent actions |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:27 PM | #120 |
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No it wasn't |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:30 PM | #125 |
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Im sorry that you couldn't see it. n/t |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 02:52 PM | #141 |
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Me too. |
sangha | Sep-20-03 02:59 PM | #148 |
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let me clarify myself...... |
virtualobserver | Sep-20-03 03:14 PM | #158 |
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It's the words |
sandnsea | Sep-20-03 10:59 AM | #32 |
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one thing i would like to know from all who voted affirmatively ... |
Pepperbelly | Sep-20-03 10:21 AM | #16 |
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You are correct PB. |
hedda_foil | Sep-20-03 11:04 AM | #34 |
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Congress has NO war-making powers |
sangha | Sep-20-03 12:04 PM | #50 |
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That means there is no war if Congress does not declare it... |
kentuck | Sep-20-03 01:20 PM | #84 |
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and that was precisely my point... |
Pepperbelly | Sep-20-03 01:49 PM | #98 |
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So what? They just give it another name |
sangha | Sep-20-03 01:56 PM | #102 |
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The reality of the circumstances don't matter |
CWebster | Sep-20-03 10:25 AM | #19 |
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I would refer you to the post I made above because ... |
Pepperbelly | Sep-20-03 10:56 AM | #31 |
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Really? |
jburton | Sep-20-03 10:31 AM | #21 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 10:46 AM | #25 |
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What congress does |
CWebster | Sep-20-03 10:49 AM | #27 |
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Kerry's opposition to Gulf War I will sink him. |
poskonig | Sep-20-03 10:36 AM | #22 |
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i think most just don't care |
newsguyatl | Sep-20-03 10:48 AM | #26 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 10:51 AM | #28 |
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And here is the amazing part |
CWebster | Sep-20-03 10:54 AM | #30 |
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I sort of agree |
HPLeft | Sep-20-03 10:52 AM | #29 |
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Dean and Kerry: two bad positions on Iraq |
welshTerrier2 | Sep-20-03 11:24 AM | #37 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 11:51 AM | #44 |
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you are overworking this..... |
bearfartinthewoods | Sep-20-03 01:06 PM | #74 |
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striving for clarity |
welshTerrier2 | Sep-20-03 01:37 PM | #93 |
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I completely agree. |
gulliver | Sep-20-03 11:37 AM | #40 |
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while not a point by point |
JNelson6563 | Sep-20-03 11:53 AM | #45 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 11:56 AM | #47 |
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Kerry said that he would hold Bush responsible |
vision | Sep-20-03 12:31 PM | #58 |
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not the way this war is going... |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 12:52 PM | #66 |
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All of this is BOGUS |
thinkahead | Sep-20-03 12:54 PM | #69 |
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our 'leaders' may disagree on methods but their objectives are mostly the |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 12:58 PM | #73 |
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The Constitutional process is a Declaration of War!!! |
IndianaGreen | Sep-20-03 01:20 PM | #83 |
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excellent point about clark... |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 01:47 PM | #96 |
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I don't care if it is stronger |
CMT | Sep-20-03 02:13 PM | #111 |
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Back to the drawing board, Pete |
Eloriel | Sep-20-03 02:44 PM | #131 |
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Why would Kerry talk to an Abscam crook like Murtha? |
sangha | Sep-20-03 03:01 PM | #150 |
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he supports a CROOK like bush... doesn't he? |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:24 PM | #161 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 03:48 PM | #163 |
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it makes sense to me... he has more back bone than kerry AND seems |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 03:59 PM | #166 |
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Excellent post Pete. n/t |
oasis | Sep-20-03 03:40 PM | #162 |
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Name removed | Sep-20-03 03:49 PM | #164 |
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I think the anti war purists are missing out on a great candidate. |
Sweetpea | Sep-20-03 03:53 PM | #165 |
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plenty MORE than just the war and the 'get over it' advice is wearing thin |
bpilgrim | Sep-20-03 04:16 PM | #167 |
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