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Sat Sep-20-03 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 72. are you playing word games? |
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I said that anyone with a brain could *SEE* that he was hell-bent on invading.
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Sep-20-03 09:46 AM |
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except for one thing |
DinoBoy |
Sep-20-03 09:48 AM |
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Sep-20-03 09:54 AM |
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when you are handing over your power to someone |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 10:26 AM |
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A one-liner response |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 11:27 AM |
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only the Congress has the constitutional power to declare war |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 11:45 AM |
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Another one-liner that explains nothing |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 11:54 AM |
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you ignore reality.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:14 PM |
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Another one-liner that explains nothing |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:27 PM |
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Did Congress declare war? |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:42 PM |
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That's better |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:47 PM |
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no kidding.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:52 PM |
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Another one-liner |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:10 PM |
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Congress still has the power to declare war and pass legislation. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:16 PM |
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Irrelevant and it makes no sense |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:28 PM |
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They handed the power over with the War Powers act. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:47 PM |
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That makes no sense |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:50 PM |
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so let me get this straight |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:59 PM |
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Not straight |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:02 PM |
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not a personal attack |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:19 PM |
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Whatever. I'm not going to obsess over it |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:23 PM |
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once again you avoid the question.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:28 PM |
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What question is that? |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:29 PM |
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do you believe that a law that violates the Constitution .... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:40 PM |
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Yes, and it remains on the books as law of the land |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:43 PM |
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It does change the functional balance of power |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:48 PM |
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No it doesn't |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:50 PM |
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it doesn't grant him authority to declare war but it does grant such |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:03 PM |
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your point |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:08 PM |
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The Constitution only gives authority to CONGRESS to Declare War. |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:20 PM |
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So what? That's a straw man |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:28 PM |
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now the ACTUAL constitution is a 'straw man' when that is the TOPIC - lol |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:42 PM |
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You are being shameless here |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:46 PM |
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If there is no war declared....... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:43 PM |
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The same way TR, Truman, Ike and Johnson did.....nt |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:48 PM |
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unconstitutionally n/t |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:50 PM |
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Constitutionally |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:51 PM |
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give me a quote from the constitution where it states that..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:53 PM |
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Article II, Section 2..................nt |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:54 PM |
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again... can you point to a section in the constitution that says the prez |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:58 PM |
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exactly, they were all guilty of not following the constitution as well |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:53 PM |
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So says you |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:54 PM |
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you won't quote it because it doesn't say it....... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:58 PM |
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It puts POTUS in charge of the military |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 03:00 PM |
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1. No quote |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 03:05 PM |
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It's not a question of "OK or not OK" |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 03:07 PM |
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can anyone else help SANGHA out here? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:12 PM |
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that STILL doesn't give him the AUTHORITY to DECLARE WAR. |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:09 PM |
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so now you are advocating for the SCOTUS to make it official? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:07 PM |
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Another straw man |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 03:09 PM |
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what YOUR ideology? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:18 PM |
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but it really has been the rule of thumb since TRUMAN and we acepted the |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 12:56 PM |
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Yes and no. |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:12 PM |
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well it is certainly UNCONSTITUTIONAL |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 01:28 PM |
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It is constitutional |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:30 PM |
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can you point out where in the constitution it grants such powers then? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 01:42 PM |
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Article II, Section 2 |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:44 PM |
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that ONLY designates him COMMANDER and CHIEF of the armed services |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 01:57 PM |
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It's "Commander-IN-Chief" |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:05 PM |
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it STILL doesn't give him AUTHORITY to DECLARE WAR only CONGRESS |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:24 PM |
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Straw Man |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:29 PM |
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the president has the authority to wage war once it has been declared |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 02:44 PM |
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CINC can wage war without a DoW |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:48 PM |
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of COURSE he CAN but where does he draw his authority to do so? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:16 PM |
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that is actually a 'TREND' started with the TRUMAN admin (korea) - n/t |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 12:53 PM |
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Yes and no. |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:14 PM |
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it is certainly UNCONSTITUTIONAL no matter when it first occured... |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 01:33 PM |
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yes it is |
DinoBoy |
Sep-20-03 12:53 PM |
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They were dealing with many of the same characters from Gulf War 1 |
blm |
Sep-20-03 09:56 AM |
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This is such revisionist history it |
clar |
Sep-20-03 09:54 AM |
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Sep-20-03 09:56 AM |
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Pete, |
clar |
Sep-20-03 10:04 AM |
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He never said that though |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 10:44 AM |
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Difference of opinion |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 10:23 AM |
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Pete has served up an ace here |
uptohere |
Sep-20-03 10:02 AM |
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Iraq will be such a total disaster by Nov 2004..... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 10:08 AM |
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Another one-liner |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 11:34 AM |
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you didn't read my post.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:45 PM |
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Another one-liner |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:50 PM |
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I wasn't trying to make an argument... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:10 PM |
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If you don't want to be misread |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:17 PM |
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if you misread my "one-liners".... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:20 PM |
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This war vote litmus test is driving me up a wall |
Sweetpea |
Sep-20-03 10:07 AM |
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I'm not using it as a litmus test |
clar |
Sep-20-03 10:11 AM |
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I went to a lot of anti war protests and still could understand the vote |
Sweetpea |
Sep-20-03 10:17 AM |
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yeah, I'm surprised |
clar |
Sep-20-03 10:23 AM |
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It's very clear |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 10:09 AM |
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Partial answer |
maxomai_vs_rove |
Sep-20-03 10:09 AM |
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Sep-20-03 10:38 AM |
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Good questions. |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 11:50 AM |
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Our guys are still dying, Iraqi civilians are still dying. |
madfloridian |
Sep-20-03 10:14 AM |
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anyone with a brain could see that Bush has hell bent on war. |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 10:17 AM |
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It doesn't change Iraq |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 11:03 AM |
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I don't believe that there was a solution to Iraq.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 11:14 AM |
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Agree/Disagree |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 11:24 AM |
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I agree that it couldn't go on forever.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 11:40 AM |
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Something was obvious to Kerry that you still miss |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:01 PM |
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The inspectors were in there inspecting. |
madfloridian |
Sep-20-03 12:20 PM |
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One of us is misremebering the sequence of events |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:30 PM |
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Sangha is right |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 12:31 PM |
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Could congress have stopped Bush until the inspections finished? |
madfloridian |
Sep-20-03 12:56 PM |
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The inspections hadn't started yet |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:19 PM |
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Bush getting off the hook |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 01:27 PM |
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You suspected |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 12:18 PM |
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I didn't just suspect, I was confident.... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:31 PM |
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It's important to me too |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 01:18 PM |
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Another one-liner |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 11:58 AM |
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No, but |
clar |
Sep-20-03 12:27 PM |
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And not one of them said Bush* was hell-bent on invading |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:32 PM |
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are you playing word games? |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 12:57 PM |
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No, are you? |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:34 PM |
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Here you go |
clar |
Sep-20-03 01:17 PM |
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Not even close |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:37 PM |
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very close |
clar |
Sep-20-03 01:51 PM |
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Not close at all |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:57 PM |
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Here |
clar |
Sep-20-03 02:18 PM |
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Again, nothing about Bush* being determined to invade |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:24 PM |
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Yeah, Byrd explicitly says a rush to war |
clar |
Sep-20-03 02:42 PM |
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So what? |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:49 PM |
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Please try to be honest |
clar |
Sep-20-03 03:12 PM |
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your argument is a straw man |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 01:54 PM |
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Your argument is just a word game |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:00 PM |
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saying that Bush was "hell bent" on war was a logical deduction |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:14 PM |
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Make up your mind |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:18 PM |
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it was proven by his subsequent actions |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:27 PM |
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No it wasn't |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:30 PM |
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Im sorry that you couldn't see it. n/t |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 02:52 PM |
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Me too. |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 02:59 PM |
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let me clarify myself...... |
virtualobserver |
Sep-20-03 03:14 PM |
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It's the words |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-03 10:59 AM |
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one thing i would like to know from all who voted affirmatively ... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-20-03 10:21 AM |
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You are correct PB. |
hedda_foil |
Sep-20-03 11:04 AM |
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Congress has NO war-making powers |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 12:04 PM |
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That means there is no war if Congress does not declare it... |
kentuck |
Sep-20-03 01:20 PM |
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and that was precisely my point... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-20-03 01:49 PM |
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So what? They just give it another name |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 01:56 PM |
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The reality of the circumstances don't matter |
CWebster |
Sep-20-03 10:25 AM |
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I would refer you to the post I made above because ... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-20-03 10:56 AM |
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Really? |
jburton |
Sep-20-03 10:31 AM |
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Sep-20-03 10:46 AM |
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What congress does |
CWebster |
Sep-20-03 10:49 AM |
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Kerry's opposition to Gulf War I will sink him. |
poskonig |
Sep-20-03 10:36 AM |
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i think most just don't care |
newsguyatl |
Sep-20-03 10:48 AM |
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Sep-20-03 10:51 AM |
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And here is the amazing part |
CWebster |
Sep-20-03 10:54 AM |
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I sort of agree |
HPLeft |
Sep-20-03 10:52 AM |
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Dean and Kerry: two bad positions on Iraq |
welshTerrier2 |
Sep-20-03 11:24 AM |
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Sep-20-03 11:51 AM |
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you are overworking this..... |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-20-03 01:06 PM |
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striving for clarity |
welshTerrier2 |
Sep-20-03 01:37 PM |
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I completely agree. |
gulliver |
Sep-20-03 11:37 AM |
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while not a point by point |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-20-03 11:53 AM |
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Sep-20-03 11:56 AM |
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Kerry said that he would hold Bush responsible |
vision |
Sep-20-03 12:31 PM |
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not the way this war is going... |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 12:52 PM |
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All of this is BOGUS |
thinkahead |
Sep-20-03 12:54 PM |
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our 'leaders' may disagree on methods but their objectives are mostly the |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 12:58 PM |
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The Constitutional process is a Declaration of War!!! |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-20-03 01:20 PM |
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excellent point about clark... |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 01:47 PM |
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I don't care if it is stronger |
CMT |
Sep-20-03 02:13 PM |
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Back to the drawing board, Pete |
Eloriel |
Sep-20-03 02:44 PM |
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Why would Kerry talk to an Abscam crook like Murtha? |
sangha |
Sep-20-03 03:01 PM |
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he supports a CROOK like bush... doesn't he? |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:24 PM |
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Sep-20-03 03:48 PM |
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it makes sense to me... he has more back bone than kerry AND seems |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 03:59 PM |
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Excellent post Pete. n/t |
oasis |
Sep-20-03 03:40 PM |
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Sep-20-03 03:49 PM |
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I think the anti war purists are missing out on a great candidate. |
Sweetpea |
Sep-20-03 03:53 PM |
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plenty MORE than just the war and the 'get over it' advice is wearing thin |
bpilgrim |
Sep-20-03 04:16 PM |
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