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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:07 AM
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25. I would say red has a long history in America
and not just from Parsons and Spies (two people hanged for their anarchist views in 1889). Eugene V Debs got 600,000 or so votes in 1912 and almost a million votes in 1920 although he was in jail at the time for opposing WW1. Before that, there was Edward Bellamy and his very popular book "Looking Backward". After Debs there was Norman Thomas and Michael Harrington, author of the somewhat influential "The Other America".
There are very few Stalinists in America, and certainly few fans of dictatorships. As EF Schumacher describes it in "Small is Beautiful" socialism is about "a more democratic and dignified system of industrial administration, a more humane employment of machinery, and a more intelligent utilisation of the fruits of human ingenuity and effort." That is on the production side, on the distribution side the idea is to eliminate destitution and reduce the fear of it.
So, yes, hard core lefties would be radically progressive, and well left of liberal.
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  -What kind of liberal/progressive do you see yourself as? UdoKier  May-17-05 03:02 PM   #0 
  - I would have said - an old line working person's Dem  eleny   May-17-05 03:06 PM   #1 
  - I like Lattes from my local INDEPENDENT coffee shop. Am I a Latte Liberal?  TwentyFive   May-17-05 03:10 PM   #2 
  - Me too. And I like coffee.  Oregonian   May-17-05 03:22 PM   #6 
  - I am going with hardcore radical leftist  hfojvt   May-17-05 03:12 PM   #3 
  - A Truman Democrat  lastliberalintexas   May-17-05 03:14 PM   #4 
  - Yup  MN ChimpH8R   May-17-05 04:35 PM   #7 
  - Hard core  jaxx   May-17-05 03:19 PM   #5 
  - Hardcore pinko commie  carnie_sf   May-17-05 05:36 PM   #8 
  - I fall somewhere between old-line, pro-labor (and still very much  blondeatlast   May-17-05 05:45 PM   #9 
  - What's the difference between a Latte liberal and a Limousine liberal?  cobaindrain   May-17-05 08:20 PM   #10 
  - About eighty thousand bucks a year  KamaAina   May-17-05 08:36 PM   #12 
  - One is comfortable and pretentious, but heart's in the right place  UdoKier   May-18-05 03:36 AM   #31 
     - both has there heart in the right place  cobaindrain   May-18-05 03:01 PM   #43 
  - A hardcore radical leftist - and proud of it. n/t  Darranar   May-17-05 08:21 PM   #11 
  - A moderate who is not particularly fond of.....  moddemny   May-17-05 08:36 PM   #13 
  - A hardcore radical leftist who loves those Che avatars here.  JanMichael   May-17-05 08:38 PM   #14 
  - Do you love Fidel also?  moddemny   May-17-05 08:42 PM   #16 
     - Oh not THAT again  GirlinContempt   May-17-05 10:05 PM   #22 
        - What again?  moddemny   May-17-05 11:32 PM   #23 
  - I agree there. Che Guevara was a leftist thug.  wyldwolf   May-18-05 05:26 AM   #35 
  - The pinko socialist kind  Raiden   May-17-05 08:40 PM   #15 
  - A pragmatic liberal  dansolo   May-17-05 09:05 PM   #17 
  - No say  Democraticthinker   May-17-05 09:18 PM   #18 
  - Old line, Blue collar, Pro-Labor, equal rights Democrat.  MrSlayer   May-17-05 09:46 PM   #19 
  - Hardcore red.  GirlinContempt   May-17-05 09:50 PM   #20 
  - Hardcore red?  moddemny   May-18-05 12:24 AM   #24 
     - I would say red has a long history in America  hfojvt   May-18-05 02:07 AM   #25 
     - Socialism and communism  moddemny   May-18-05 03:08 AM   #29 
     - Stalinism is contrary to communist ideals, if I'm not mistaken.  UdoKier   May-18-05 02:41 AM   #26 
        - Believing.....  moddemny   May-18-05 03:00 AM   #27 
           - ..........  moddemny   May-18-05 03:03 AM   #28 
              - Yes. The Soviets certainly were, but they lost 20 million men in WW2...  UdoKier   May-18-05 03:34 AM   #30 
                 - Most communist countries......  moddemny   May-18-05 05:16 AM   #33 
                    - I bring up that because it was an ignominious end to an otherwise...  UdoKier   May-18-05 10:37 AM   #37 
  - I am old true blue but go along with the progressive as well  GetTheRightVote   May-17-05 09:51 PM   #21 
  - ber-Radikal  Swamp Rat   May-18-05 04:17 AM   #32 
  - Insulting  wyldwolf   May-18-05 05:24 AM   #34 
  - I guess I'd come under "Hardcore radical leftist"  newfaceinhell   May-18-05 06:02 AM   #36 
  - pro-labor blue collar is now...  murdoch   May-18-05 10:53 AM   #38 
  - The kind that wishes it was 1917 the world over... n/t  Vladimir   May-18-05 11:07 AM   #39 
  - Civil rights, from that list.  Taxloss   May-18-05 11:09 AM   #40 
  - Other: pragmatic Democratic partisan  LSdemocrat   May-18-05 11:16 AM   #41 
  - Anarchist. aka "Libertarian Socialist"  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-18-05 11:31 AM   #42 
  - Can I choose options 2,5,7, and 9, please?  Bouncy Ball   May-18-05 03:03 PM   #44 

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